Pacquaio really over it?

No, he's changed and is imo harder to beat now, but he's no typhoon anymore. That hurricane of punches in bunches and raw aggression is not who he is anymore. He's far more controlled and intellectual which will make fighting him much more difficult. This sums it up. Well said. Pac is evolving into a dangerous controlled fighter.

He def can still fight but he is clearly slower and he doesn't have the same pop on his punches like he used to. People have to stop acting like Bradley is some legendary fighter or something just because he beat Marquez who knocked out Pac. Bradley is a good boxer but he is nothing close to elite. He is way too emotional in the ring and it shows. Manny can still contend but not with TR and their stable. He either needs to move on or try and do collaboration fights with GB against some of their fighters if Arum allows it. Manny is not shot but he is clearly passed his prime. It just goes to show that if Bradley can hurt Manny with one shot and this guy laid a ton of shots on Provodnikov and Marquez and couldn't drop not stop them. It just goes to show Manny's chin is probably cracked. Neither Pac or Bradley looked good in that fight. Just looked like a sloppy fight from both sides for the most part. If you have Roach coming out and saying Manny didn't look good then that says something.

Yes, Pac is relying more on boxing than brawling. It's different take on Pac, but equally effective as evident to how he took out a prime fighter in Bradley. He's not young anymore. This is to be expected. But skill wise, and ring generalship the guy know how to evolve. He still is hard to beat. Boxing is all about skill and intelligence. He is using his wittiness more, I can even say this old version of Pac is a more poised and has evolved into a complete fighter. I agree, that we are all witnessing a newer, wiser and more mature version of Pac. Also, everything evolves with time e.g. experience and age. So it should come as no surprise that he is undergoing the same evolution as everyone else with over 19 years under his belt and with over 63 professional bouts on his resume. This newer Pac seems less confident and comfortable in the exchanges with his opponents; Which is usually out of the norm and character for Manny Pacquiao. He almost never backs away from a good firefight. However, he did just that in both the Brandon Rios and Timothy Bradley bouts. It appears that he is throwing a lot less as he is focusing more on defense; Especially with his feet.

Yes, Pac is relying more on boxing than brawling. It's different take on Pac, but equally effective as evident to how he took out a prime fighter in Bradley. He's not young anymore. This is to be expected. But skill wise, and ring generalship the guy know how to evolve. He still is hard to beat. Boxing is all about skill and intelligence. He is using his wittiness more, I can even say this old version of Pac is a more poised and has evolved into a complete fighter. I agree, that we are all witnessing a newer, wiser and more mature version of Pac. Also, everything evolves with time e.g. experience and age. So it should come as no surprise that he is undergoing the same evolution as everyone else with over 19 years under his belt and with over 63 professional bouts on his resume. This newer Pac seems less confident and comfortable in the exchanges with his opponents; Which is usually out of the norm and character for Manny Pacquiao. He almost never backs away from a good firefight. However, he did just that in both the Brandon Rios and Timothy Bradley bouts. It appears that he is throwing a lot less as he is focusing more on defense; Especially with his feet.

Yes, Pac is relying more on boxing than brawling. It's different take on Pac, but equally effective as evident to how he took out a prime fighter in Bradley. He's not young anymore. This is to be expected. But skill wise, and ring generalship the guy know how to evolve. He still is hard to beat. Boxing is all about skill and intelligence. He is using his wittiness more, I can even say this old version of Pac is a more poised and has evolved into a complete fighter. I agree, that we are all witnessing a newer, wiser and more mature version of Pac. Also, everything evolves with time e.g. experience and age. So it should come as no surprise that he is undergoing the same evolution as everyone else with over 19 years under his belt and with over 63 professional bouts on his resume. This newer Pac seems less confident and comfortable in the exchanges with his opponents; Which is usually out of the norm and character for Manny Pacquiao. He almost never backs away from a good firefight. However, he did just that in both the Brandon Rios and Timothy Bradley bouts. It appears that he is throwing a lot less as he is focusing more on defense; Especially with his feet.

People seem to think he is finished and not the same. Marquez kayod him but seriously it was because of his gung hu and reckless approach, 120-108'd rios and beat Bradley twice. He may not at his peak but certainly not as bad as some suggest here. No, he's changed and is imo harder to beat now, but he's no typhoon anymore. That hurricane of punches in bunches and raw aggression is not who he is anymore. He's far more controlled and intellectual which will make fighting him much more difficult.

Physically, Pac is just fine, However, mentally and psychologically he is not all the way back. For the first time in his career, he is showing signs of vulnerability and insecurity. That KO loss to Marquez continues to wear heavily on his mind. Today he is fighting more safety first and cautious than at any point of his career. Yes, Pac is relying more on boxing than brawling. It's different take on Pac, but equally effective as evident to how he took out a prime fighter in Bradley. He's not young anymore. This is to be expected. But skill wise, and ring generalship the guy know how to evolve. He still is hard to beat. Boxing is all about skill and intelligence. He is using his wittiness more, I can even say this old version of Pac is more poised, and has now evolved into a more complete fighter.

Physically, Pac is just fine, However, mentally and psychologically he is not all the way back. For the first time in his career, he is showing signs of vulnerability and insecurity. That KO loss to Marquez continues to wear heavily on his mind. Today he is fighting more safety first and cautious than at any point of his career.

Lol the guy just beat up a top 3 p4p of the world. Come back to me if he can't beat a p4p top 10. Right now he's still has it, but fighters know there will come a time when you climb in the ring and your mind wants to do but your body does not. That's when you know it's time to hang the gloves. Right now, Pac is still fine. For how long. Could be the next fight or 3 fights from now. It just happens anytime during the twilight of an athletes career, but I have yet to see it. He slowed, yes. But still effective and a Force to be reckoned with. Pac is still fine. Wiser even. Right now Pac can still hang with the young lions, as evident to his standings in the p4p of the world.

Rios, Clottey and Bradley never been knocked out. Diaz, hatton. Pac tko'd Diaz at 135 division, hatton at 140 division. So his power is not really strong at welter, just enough to keep opponents honest. Cotto, delahoya got tko'd but never went down at 147. Just shows Pac is just the same a bit slower, but more skillful and wiser now. all things considered, i think it's more than that.. you cant paint an old beat up truck and say it's in a good condition ...you can overhaul it but how do we do that to a fighter?..it's pains me to say but it is what it is bro..

i think he's really past the ko and mentally fine but unfortunately, the seriousness of his physical declined is hard to miss.... Rios, Clottey and Bradley never been knocked out. Diaz, hatton. Pac tko'd Diaz at 135 division, hatton at 140 division. So his power is not really strong at welter, just enough to keep opponents honest. Cotto, delahoya got tko'd but never went down at 147. Just shows Pac is just the same a bit slower, but more skillful and wiser now.

i think he's really past the ko and mentally fine but unfortunately, the seriousness of his physical declined is hard to miss....

I am a huge Pacquiao fan but I think he should retire now. He wasn't very impressive against Bradley and reminds me of Oscar after he fought Mayweather. Remember that Tim Bradley just barely got by Ruslan Provodnikov. Manny can't pull the trigger anymore, and he's getting hit with a lot of counterpunches. Plus he's afraid of guys on the ropes now, see how Bradley taunted him? If that ain't impressive. You need to understand boxing more.

I am a huge Pacquiao fan but I think he should retire now. He wasn't very impressive against Bradley and reminds me of Oscar after he fought Mayweather. Remember that Tim Bradley just barely got by Ruslan Provodnikov. Manny can't pull the trigger anymore, and he's getting hit with a lot of counterpunches. Plus he's afraid of guys on the ropes now, see how Bradley taunted him?

Only people that think he's finished are the ones that want him to be finished. Obviously if you can clearly UD one of the top 5 P4P boxers on the planet just 2 weeks ago, you're not finished. this^^^^^^ only few do not know that brawn and skills are not the only attributes that counts to excel in the sports, one also needs most importantly mental fortitude. A mark of a true champion ATG is how he can deal with adversities and come out winning time and time again, how he stand up after a fall. One cannot claim true greatness if he had not been to hell and back, never had tested the limits of his capabilities. A true great champ is one like a phoenix who always rise from the ashes and people knew who they are in boxing. those who pretended to be great but once met a true challenge and failed and never have the mental fortitude to recover and rise again faded from memories rarely remembered if not long been forgotten.

He has slowed down considerably and his reflexes have gone. Other than that, he's the same fighter.

I would say past-prime, but not shot.

Diminished but not done. He didn't just get by Bradley, he won convincingly.

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Only people that think he's finished are the ones that want him to be finished. Obviously if you can clearly UD one of the top 5 P4P boxers on the planet just 2 weeks ago, you're not finished. Amen. B-Suth approves