Armed with irrefutable facts ,rate Floyd's ORTIZ win

140 maidana took victors virginity. He quit for the first time. ATG Berto went toe to toe with Ortiz.Was raped by josesito for the 2nd time.Koed by inactive collazo in the very first round. Considering Floyd sucker punched Ortiz, Floyd's win is clearly inferior to above listed,. I rate Floyd's win 2/10. Your thoughts? I would have loved to see that fight go on because Floyd would not have knocked Ortiz out. It would have probably gotten dirtier but Ortiz would have kept trying.

140 maidana took victors virginity. He quit for the first time. ATG Berto went toe to toe with Ortiz.Was raped by josesito for the 2nd time.Koed by inactive collazo in the very first round. Considering Floyd sucker punched Ortiz, Floyd's win is clearly inferior to above listed,. I rate Floyd's win 2/10. Your thoughts? Ortiz quit when he fought Mayweather as well..He tried to hit Mayweather with an obvious headbutt..Then dropped his guard,he wanted out of the fight,and Mayweather helped him along..I loved the ending for that fight,Otiz got what he deserved..I rate the fight and the win a 9/10..

Ortiz was the 3rd best WW out there....That shows how great the division is! Ortiz being the 3rd best and beating Berto! Certainly puts the 80s and their Marlon Starlings and Donald Curry's to shame..And the 90s with those scrubs like Ike, Pernell, Meldrick Taylor, Espana, Brown, Tito! Evolution baby! Lol. Putting the 80s to shame. Log off and educate yourself son.

140 maidana took victors virginity. He quit for the first time. ATG Berto went toe to toe with Ortiz.Was raped by josesito for the 2nd time.Koed by inactive collazo in the very first round. Considering Floyd sucker punched Ortiz, Floyd's win is clearly inferior to above listed,. I rate Floyd's win 2/10. Your thoughts?Well Floyd did warn him, if you make any mistakes you'll have to pay.

Spot on analysis. You're especially right that a lot of Floyd's punches were blocked by ortizs guard and floyd also missed a lot. Will rematch the fight/farce once again. I may have miss a thing or too.

Watching the fight again I was surprised how victor was holding his own in there. Watching the 3rd and fourth round again. Wow got surprised how competitive Victor was. He was throwing bombs and pushing Floyd. I can see Floyd hurt in some occasions. I can swear victor landed some pretty good bombs and some nice combos. In the fourth Floyd had to shake his head to show he wasn't hurt but we know darn well when a fighter does that means he got hurt bad. Victor was in there, pushing Floyd in the ropes. 3rd and fourth should have been victors. Victor was pressing. Floyd had cleaner shots but the number of bombs victor threw was a lot and would have accumulated if it reached 12 rounds. You can sense victors punches is coming from a young strong lion. It was turning into a good fight. Victor landed some good body and head shots that snapped Floyd. Floyd was in a fight. we will never know if went the distance. But it would have been a great fight regardless who wins. Victor was winning the fourth round until he got frustrated at the end when nothing was landing, but if his temperance was in check. He should have known that he rocked Floyd and landed some great shots on the fourth. He was a beast stalking Floyd on the fourth. I think Floyd resorted to a cheap shot coz Floyd knows his in a real war. If it reached 12 even if Floyd would have won I think we would have seen a Floyd battered and bruised for the first time. Floyd would still have won but I think Floyd would have a not so pretty boy face afterwards. Just sad we didn't get a real war. It was shaping up until Victor snapped. It's true what Victors old trainer said about him. He easily gets frustrated and has no temperance. Sad he could have banged for 12 rounds. Victor lacks is brain savvy. He is skilled but lacks a cool head. He was just a hungry bull. If he had patience he could have damaged Floyd if it ever reached 12 rounds. ****you will see a different perspective if you watch the fight again. Floyd was in a real war in there sad it had to end with a cheap shot. Would have been a great fight ******** Damn sweet. Watch the 2:29 mark it was a rally by Victor almost all landed and floyd shakes his head as if to say I wasn't hurt but of course he was lol. Then 2:40 -2:43 Clean crisp shots. And the start of the round Victor blocked almost everything Floyd threw. His hands were all up even if floyd threw some shots it was blocked by Victor. Most of Floyd's shots were blocked. Ortiz blocked 80 - 90% of Floyd's punches. His guard was up. Floyd was hitting gloves.

Up till the headbutt - Knockout, I would rate it a 10.. he was moving beautifully, throwing great straight rights, and was defensively frustrating. It was against mental midget victor Ortiz doe

Up till the headbutt - Knockout, I would rate it a 10.. he was moving beautifully, throwing great straight rights, and was defensively frustrating.

Welterweight was weak. These were the 2011 rankings: Title Vacant Manny Pacquiao Floyd Mayweather Jr. Victor Ortiz Andre Berto Vyacheslav Senchenko Kell Brook Mike Jones Jan Zaveck Selcuk Aydin Shane Mosley With the BS with Pacquiao this was the only legitimate fight. I disagree. He could've better than Ortiz who was 1 fight removed from jww back then. He could've gone to 154 for a better match up.

No it wasn't. Unless you consider Berto a great fighter. Welterweight was weak. These were the 2011 rankings: Title Vacant Manny Pacquiao Floyd Mayweather Jr. Victor Ortiz Andre Berto Vyacheslav Senchenko Kell Brook Mike Jones Jan Zaveck Selcuk Aydin Shane Mosley With the BS with Pacquiao this was the only legitimate fight.

I don't count it personally. But it was a good fight selection at the time. No it wasn't. Unless you consider Berto a great fighter.

I don't count it personally. But it was a good fight selection at the time.

He is but it clearly shows the frustration . Key points - Mayweather throwing combos ( never happens) - Mayweather laughing in the corner before the butt ( never happens) - Ortiz trying the butt ( frustration because he was getting dominated) - Mayweather walking Ortiz down from round 1 ( shows comfort levels) Add all those points up & it shows you Floyd had this kid solved from the ring of the first bell. Ortiz would probably get stopped in a rematch or run. Mayweather had this kid solved after Ortiz won against Berto. Hence he was pick.

Vic is one weird tree you got to admit.lol He is but it clearly shows the frustration . Key points - Mayweather throwing combos ( never happens) - Mayweather laughing in the corner before the butt ( never happens) - Ortiz trying the butt ( frustration because he was getting dominated) - Mayweather walking Ortiz down from round 1 ( shows comfort levels) Add all those points up & it shows you Floyd had this kid solved from the ring of the first bell. Ortiz would probably get stopped in a rematch or run.

LOL If Ortiz was winning the round why would he try to headbutt mayweather. Does that sound like somebody that is in control winning the round? its pretty clear why ortiz decided to play dirty, why are you asking other posters?

LOL If Ortiz was winning the round why would he try to headbutt mayweather. Does that sound like somebody that is in control winning the round? Vic is one weird tree you got to admit.lol

LOL If Ortiz was winning the round why would he try to headbutt mayweather. Does that sound like somebody that is in control winning the round?

Exactly. It's so funny. Ortiz was getting blasted with big right hands for 4 straight rounds. In the beginning of the 4th, Floyd felt so comfortable he started unleashing combos at will which he rarely does these days. :lol1: Ortiz was totally on his way to getting stopped. People also forget that this isn't the first time that Ortiz folds when he's getting his a$$ beat up. They forget about his other crazy stunts in the past. Exactly more the reason it should be rated low. Thanks for backing up my argument. Vic was sh1t to begin with upto the end. He's a mental midget.

If that's how you analyze it boy, so be it. But perhaps you can include in your "facts" that Ortiz was coming off his best win when May fought him. Just like Maidana. Ortiz best win was against the epitome of "hypejob". Now tell me, what is so great about it again?

I ate that compubox up years ago. It was so unbelievably false its unreal. All of Floyds fights have the most extremely misleading compubox stats. Will look into it. Very interesting.