How far does Pac move up in the ATG list after last Sat?

A zillion times ahead of Floyd.

I think he should be number 2, Floyd 1 yea, you can definitely argue that now....cause ward has been inactive.

Bradley was p4p #3 and right behind floyd at ww. this is a big win imo....there are just a lot of bradley haters on nsb. I think he should be number 2, Floyd 1

Canelo is slow on his feet and has a low punch output, 2 things that Mayweather loves. I will have to disagree with Canelo been in his prime, I think that he will be a much better boxer when he is 29 and early 30s. lets just agree to disagree, good debate though man, you made a lot of good points...i think the lara fight will tell us a lot......if canelo beats lara, then the canelo win enhances, i don't think anyone can deny that.

morales - atg 83 pac - 73 marquez - 76 barrera - 88 You are a fool and a Bullshitter. :dunce:

oh come on bro, when was floyd suppose to fight canelo? canelo had all the tools(weight advantage, good jab/body attack, power and age) to give 36 yr old floyd issues, he had just beat trout, and the fight was buzzing like never before(people thought floyd was ducking canelo) the only * about that fight was that it was at a catchweight. there is always an excuse after the fight. you're saying that he should be fighting prime fighters and i've given you examples. Canelo is slow on his feet and has a low punch output, 2 things that Mayweather loves. I will have to disagree with Canelo been in his prime, I think that he will be a much better boxer when he is 29 and early 30s.

When you look at Pac's entire career, he's definitely top 20. Bradley was nothing special IMO. He's 1-3 in his last 4 fights in my book. Pac schooled him twice, went life and death with Ruslan and squeaked out a close decision against an aging warrior in Warquez. Those of you that had Bradley p4p #3 need to WTFU.

You didn't mention ducking. You said losses mean nothing but they do. Any loss takes something away from a resume even if avenged like Lewis did. People still talk about Rahman and McCall beating him don't they? Marciano hasn't a great win but is an ATG because he has a 0. You're talking out of your ass saying losses don't affect a resume. If you just stuck to ducking affecting it you'd be right. Well if Ali was to have a 0 he would had to of ducked all the people who gave him losses, there was no other way he could have done it. Marciano's biggest wins were over fighters in decline and he dominated his weight division but you chose the only atg with a 0 to base your argument on. Maybe we should elevate sven ottke to an ATG too since he has a 0. I have more respect for a fighter who fights the best even if they lose.

Canelo was 24 when he fought Floyd and in boxing terms that is young and inexperienced especially when taking on someone as good as Floyd. I did say that Hatton was a good win. Im just saying that he should be fighting people that are in their prime and have a style to challenge him. Dont get me wrong, im a floyd fan as well but I see through his bs. oh come on bro, when was floyd suppose to fight canelo? canelo had all the tools(weight advantage, good jab/body attack, power and age) to give 36 yr old floyd issues, he had just beat trout, and the fight was buzzing like never before(people thought floyd was ducking canelo) the only * about that fight was that it was at a catchweight. there is always an excuse after the fight. you're saying that he should be fighting prime fighters and i've given you examples.

I asked people before the Rios fight about this http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=618594 Pacquiao is more than half way there!!!

you're moving the goal post my dude......canelo was young, prime and ranked....same can be said for hatton. you're talking about ducking but floyd was supposedly ducking shane right? even though floyd called him out in his prime(which mosley ducked twice). it wasn't until after the margarito fight did mosley start to call for a floyd fight. lol@floyd not challenging himself.....according to some nsb'ers floyd challenge himself would be him fighting ggg(at 160) or ward(at 168), two weight classes floyd has no business at..... you're acting like hall of famers fought p4p fighters each and every time out...no hall of famers do that, including ray robinson........maidana(a world champion) is a good fight for every other ww so why not floyd who is also a ww? floyd is the only fighter in the history of the sport who can't unify a damn title lmao. Canelo was 24 when he fought Floyd and in boxing terms that is young and inexperienced especially when taking on someone as good as Floyd. I did say that Hatton was a good win. Im just saying that he should be fighting people that are in their prime and have a style to challenge him. Dont get me wrong, im a floyd fan as well but I see through his bs.

I did say a p4p fighter in his prime, Mosely wasnt. Yes Hatton was a good win but we all know that Hatton wasnt good enough for Floyd or Pac. The point is that you need to fight the best, so Maidana is the best possible fight he can take? We all know that is a major mismatch. I have said it before, the true mark of a champion is when a boxer takes a loss and rises from adversity and gets back to the top. Go and look at an ATG list, nearly all of them took losses because they fought the best. And the best isnt just some guy that has a belt either. Floyd hasnt challenged himself in a long time imo and ducked way too many fights in his career. you're moving the goal post my dude......canelo was young, prime and ranked....same can be said for hatton. you're talking about ducking but floyd was supposedly ducking shane right? even though floyd called him out in his prime(which mosley ducked twice). it wasn't until after the margarito fight did mosley start to call for a floyd fight. lol@floyd not challenging himself.....according to some nsb'ers floyd challenge himself would be him fighting ggg(at 160) or ward(at 168), two weight classes floyd has no business at..... you're acting like hall of famers fought p4p fighters each and every time out...no hall of famers do that, including ray robinson........maidana(a world champion) is a good fight for every other ww so why not floyd who is also a ww? floyd is the only fighter in the history of the sport who can't unify a damn title lmao.

Great post........ Excellent post. The only people who don't like Manny are haters, idiots, immature fans, and Floyd Mayweather. He is so humble in all of his glory. Cotto is the same way. Oscar was the same way. These guys are intelligent and classy. What happened to people liking that type of athelete?? Instead, they get behind the **** talkers and backstabbers. Smh. America is a sad place.

I disagree if he never fought Spinks, Holmes and Berbick nobody would have cared he was shot to **** by then. My point being, a 0 is only relevant if you didn't avoid anyone to retain it.

Ali would be even greater without losses so they do mean something. Are you serious? If he ducked all them guys that gave him losses then he wouldnt be known as the greatest. After your comment there I probably wont answer you again, smh.

Yes sir. I understand that. For those who have Floyd ahead of Manny on their all-time great list, aren't logical boxing folks. Cotto's place on that list is higher than Floyd's as well. It's not even close. Floyd did this to himself. He has all of the talent to be what he thinks he is, but he doesn't have the balls. Sorry. In order to be great, you must take risks. There is no other way. :haha: :haha:

you asked for a p4p fighter and i gave you one......mosley(despite his age) and hatton were also rated highly as well when floyd fought them. and why do people keep saying the zero means nothing? yea it means nothing when you're facing bums but it does mean a lot when you're facing top opponents and champions around your weight. I did say a p4p fighter in his prime, Mosely wasnt. Yes Hatton was a good win but we all know that Hatton wasnt good enough for Floyd or Pac. The point is that you need to fight the best, so Maidana is the best possible fight he can take? We all know that is a major mismatch. I have said it before, the true mark of a champion is when a boxer takes a loss and rises from adversity and gets back to the top. Go and look at an ATG list, nearly all of them took losses because they fought the best. And the best isnt just some guy that has a belt either. Floyd hasnt challenged himself in a long time imo and ducked way too many fights in his career.

Yup..... Yes sir. I understand that. For those who have Floyd ahead of Manny on their all-time great list, aren't logical boxing folks. Cotto's place on that list is higher than Floyd's as well. It's not even close. Floyd did this to himself. He has all of the talent to be what he thinks he is, but he doesn't have the balls. Sorry. In order to be great, you must take risks. There is no other way.

Ali's 0 wouldn't have meant anything if he avoided Frazier, Norton, Spinks, Holmes, and Berbick to retain it. he could've avoided the bolded and no one would've gave too st!ts......those guys were not good.

Smh....... Smh. Oh, no wonder.