HBO Commentary, Biased/Not Biased: PacVsBradley

I wanted to make that exact thread yesterday because it was so clear to me that the commentators were completely unbiased. I even had the exact scorecard as Lederman except for 1 round. But that is really strange to me: how do they suddenly seem to tell things exactly the way they happen in the ring while other times, they tell you things that are clearly not happening. My guess is that they've been reading the stuff we've been saying about them here. They've got to have accounts here! If this isn't the case, then props to whosoever brought about this positive change.

What do you guys have to say about HBO's commentary of this fight? I'd say it was pretty neutral, they weren't biased towards any fighter. Jim Lampley didn't exaggerate the effect of Manny's punches every time he landed one. Huge improvement over the first fight or even a few of the previous Pacquiao fights where Lampley did go overboard with his comments about Pacquiao's punches. Max Kellarman never had to intervene with his comments to keep Lampley or Roy Jones Jr. in check. Definitely an improvement from the commentating team. I guess we can watch HBO fights with the mute OFF now? I wanted to make that exact thread yesterday because it was so clear to me that the commentators were completely unbiased. I even had the exact scorecard as Lederman except for 1 round. But that is really strange to me: how do they suddenly seem to tell things exactly the way they happen in the ring while other times, they tell you things that are clearly not happening.

Oh god did you just call Broner-Molina great? A guy with power dropping down to in weight to fight a blown up lightweight without any power who hasnt fought in a year and a half and was absolutely picked apart in that fight until his corner mercifully stopped it. Please, that fight is beyond terrible I didn't call it a great fight. It just that after all the talk that Broner did and got schooled by Maidana: I'm interested in how he does from here on, even against lesser opponents. I'd watch the fight just to know if he's still as ****y and arrogant. For me that alone is enough reason to be interested in the fight. Also, sadly all the talking that Broner did made him relevant in the sport, which is why we know him. Compare BronerDiaz to any other undercard fight on PacVsBradley, I think a lot of people people never even knew the guys on the Top Rank undercard. I'm not calling it a great fight, it's not competitive. But, I'd still prefer it over Top Rank undercards.

This is why I like Max, he sees things the way they are & calls it like that. I don't agree with Arum when he says that fans don't care about the under cards. It's true that majority of the fans buy the PPV for the main event (also reflected by the fact that most of the celebrities come in when the main even is about to start). But if Arum puts up weak under cards, the fans wont care about those fights. On the other hand when Golden Boy put up great under cards like Matthysse Vs Danny, Khan Vs Collazo, Broner Vs Molina who wouldn't start to care? It's obvious that Golden Boy PPV's are a better value for money as compared to Top Rank ones. Oh god did you just call Broner-Molina great? A guy with power dropping down to in weight to fight a blown up lightweight without any power who hasnt fought in a year and a half and was absolutely picked apart in that fight until his corner mercifully stopped it. Please, that fight is beyond terrible

The Mayweather card is trash dude..Every last fight should be on reg Showtime..Including the Mayweather Maidana fight.. I agree with Bob Arum on this, the main event is not even competitive. The fight is gonna end up like the Mayweather Vs Canelo fight. Maidana might have power but he doesn't have that hand speed that Canelo possesses, he'll be swinging & missing all night long. I would have preferred Mayweather Vs Khan, Khan's got very good hand speed & good foot work. The Khan fight would have been a VERY competitive fight. I think the Broner Vs Molina fight is decent as the under card fight because we all want to know how good/bad Broner looks after he took that vicious beating from Maidana. Broner isn't all that he says, but he's still relevant in the sport. Same goes for Khan, hes an exciting fighter with real good hand speed + combo punching ability. I don't mind watching Khan in the under card bouts against Collazo who we all remember gave Berto hell. If you compare all of the above under card bouts with what Top Rank put up in the PacVsBradley under card, I think Golden Boy wins. Most people probably did not even know the guy who were fighting in the Top Rank under card. We all know the guys on the Golden Boy under card. The PacVsBradley main event is definitely better & more competitive than MayweatherVsMaidana.

The Top Rank commentary were very biased and poor. Especially Mario Lopez and Larry Merchant. Oh ****, AC Slater and Larry Merchant were commentating? I gotta look for a copy of that. That's my dream team.

Thought they were biased. Lampley didn't have Mannys d!ck in his mouth like the first fight but he was definitely stroking the balls. Lampley was still hesitant to give Bradley any rounds I think he gave him 1 or 2. It wasn't as bad as the first fight which was sickening but you could tell who the house fighter was.

It was fine. They seemed to even to even put in an extra effort to talk about what Bradley was doing to me. Pretty much this.

It was typical HBO, too much 'talking' and not enough commentating on the actual fight. What I mean by that is they love to talk about previous fights and all manner of things rather than commentating on exactly what is happening in the ring. They go into every fight with a 'story' and then just talk in various ways about that story during the fight. In the first Pacquiao-Bradley fight all the focus was on how brilliant Pacquiao was, this time it was about how Bradley was looking in light of the first fight and his previous fights etc. Sometimes I think Lampley doesn't actually watch the fight but is looking and talking to Jones and Kellerman and then only decides who won the round after he has looked at compubox at the end of each round.

you bought canelo floyd because canelo is the next big thing in mexican boxing and the fact that he was going up against floyd. lol at a mexican buying it for lucas garcia. come on dude. Well, I KNOW why I bought the Floyd Canelo fight. I decided when I saw Garcia-Lucas. It wasn't because of what you said. But, to be fair, most fans do buy according to their nationalist allegiances which always comes down to the main card. Not me, though. My favorite boxers are RiGod and JMM. I am guessing that if you're white, you only buy American boxers. Or if you're black, do you only buy black boxers? Not me. Don't assume every Mexican or whatever does that. So, I'll agree with the general point, but that's mostly for casuals. Fans like me are more discerning.

The Top Rank broadcast was pretty bad I thought. Merchant, who I used to love is so far gone and biased towards Pac that I nearly muted it myself.

I thought they did a great job last night. Max usually keeps it real. Lamps get too excited some times where the fighter throws a combination and only lands one solid punch and Lamps is having an orgasm Lol. While Max will give credit to the other fighter for blocking and dodging the punches. And will call out only one of those punches landed Jim and will call out the other fighter came back with a nice counter body shot. Roy Jones is biased a lot in fights but he did a great job last night but he usually pisses me off from time to time. He was so biased on the Bradley vs Provonikov fight that s**t was ridiculous even though I had Bradley winning that fight by a point but still. I like the HBO crew it was cool to see all three on them on the same page last night.

Roy's rambling answer to Lampley's question about Pacquiao and politics was one of the highlights of the night. Kellerman annoys me a lot of the time, but I will give him credit for the fact that he never falls victim to group-think the way the rest of the team do.

The Top Rank commentary were very biased and poor. Especially Mario Lopez and Larry Merchant.

you dont buy ppvs because of undercard fights, you buy it because of the main event. you bought canelo floyd because canelo is the next big thing in mexican boxing and the fact that he was going up against floyd. lol at a mexican buying it for lucas garcia. come on dude. Yes this is true, in the short term. Long term will hurt Top Rank cause when people first buy the ppv, they buy for the main event but assumed a world class undercard as it was a major boxing event, with a world renowned promoter. Expectations are high, and since Top Rank isn't delivering time and time again is going hurt they brand. Now they going be branded as a low quality event with only one fight worth watching even when they do put on good fights cause they hurt their own rep. Top Rank needs to up their lead in bout, then the rest of the card would be fine and fall in place, a Mikey Garcia bout would be perfect lead in bout. Top Rank does have the fighters to put on good cards, they just don't do it.

This is why I like Max, he sees things the way they are & calls it like that. I don't agree with Arum when he says that fans don't care about the under cards. It's true that majority of the fans buy the PPV for the main event (also reflected by the fact that most of the celebrities come in when the main even is about to start). But if Arum puts up weak under cards, the fans wont care about those fights. On the other hand when Golden Boy put up great under cards like Matthysse Vs Danny, Khan Vs Collazo, Broner Vs Molina who wouldn't start to care? It's obvious that Golden Boy PPV's are a better value for money as compared to Top Rank ones. The Mayweather card is trash dude..Every last fight should be on reg Showtime..Including the Mayweather Maidana fight..

I thought Jim was horrible as usual,and thought Roy and Max were fair..

This is why I like Max, he sees things the way they are & calls it like that. I don't agree with Arum when he says that fans don't care about the under cards. It's true that majority of the fans buy the PPV for the main event (also reflected by the fact that most of the celebrities come in when the main even is about to start). But if Arum puts up weak under cards, the fans wont care about those fights. On the other hand when Golden Boy put up great under cards like Matthysse Vs Danny, Khan Vs Collazo, Broner Vs Molina who wouldn't start to care? It's obvious that Golden Boy PPV's are a better value for money as compared to Top Rank ones.

stop frontin, you dont buy ppv fights because of undercards. you buy ppv fights because of the main event. you both the canelo fight because you are mexican, not because of "stacked" undercards. be honest at least. what, you're a mind reader? You want to see my PPV records? I have never bought a card with Canelo as the PPV attraction other than that one. I don't enjoy watching him box. I didn't even buy the JMM-Bradley because of the weak undercard and JMM is my favorite boxer. I bought Canelo-Floyd not due to the main event, but Matthysse-Garcia. The main event triggers my attention, then if the undercard is worth it, I go of it. If not i'll just hit a bar.

I thought it was pretty fair,,, Didnt see alot of nuthugging like i have in other fights