Pacquiao: I won't leave Arum for Mayweather fight

Good If he leaves arum the next excuse will be he has to leave roach because my father doesn't like him

He shouldn't have to. This is just one of the many excuses Floyd has come up with. Wasn't Pac with TR when they were in advanced negotiations to make the fight happen? Wasn't Pac with TR when Floyd supposedly offered 40m to fight? :lol1: this right here mayweather has mindfucked half of NSB with his bull**** "he has to leave arum" demand

How thoughtful and considerate it is - especially after four and a half years of constant jibes and slanders - that Mayweather fans have such an invested interest in Pacquiao being possibly ripped off by his promoter. 2010 - "Take da test, take da test!" 2012 - "No ppv cut, dawg." 2014 - "Leave yo promoter, he don't treat you right ." somewhere in that timeline is "Manny, you're NEXT!"

like i said the way i see it is pac feels he's at a position where he doesnt have to do much so he doesnt feel the need to be his own boss. u have to remember one thing i dont think manny knows the ins and outs of boxing, so if pac was to leave arum he would be clueless of what to do and would really have to put some effort into it by hiring more people to run things for him in return he is risking getting burned by these people. and gotta remember english is not pac's first language, shiiet gets complicated when ur trying to run ur own promotional company in a different country that speaks a language u're not too familiar with. i know this sounds dumb since ur not around it so u wont understand what im gonna say here but with a lot of asian immigrants, their attitude is "yes sir" type. meaning if they found a job and all they do there is pick up trash but their getting paid for it, they feel lucky that atleast they have a job. their not gonna quit that job and go find a new one knowing how hard its gonna be. thats how asian immigrants think like, not all but the majority. Your not understanding what I'm saying. He is not running his own company, hes independent and Goldenboy does the work.

I don't necessarily agree with the sentiment that Pacquiao would be making that much more by leaving Top Rank. If anything he should be using the threat of leaving Top Rank to leverage himself more money in his potential last fight(s) with the company. Regardless of if he is leaving or not, he could be using the threat of leaving to make Arum sweeten the pot. Nobody except the involved parties know what is going on behind closed doors regarding that issue though. If Pacquiao did leave Top Rank he would be making more (at least from a Floyd fight), but he would also be swimming with some big fish. Without Arum around to try and out grease Schaefer/Haymon that does leave Manny somewhat exposed, but it didn't seem to help much in Pacquiao-Bradley I either. In my opinion Manny should put the squeeze on Arum for more money in these last fights knowing that Arum wants him to re-sign. Once this year is up, he should go free agent at least to test the waters. If there is no guaranteed Floyd fight, he can just go right back to Top Rank as other fighters have done.

How thoughtful and considerate it is - especially after four and a half years of constant jibes and slanders - that Mayweather fans have such an invested interest in Pacquiao being possibly ripped off by his promoter. 2010 - "Take da test, take da test!" 2012 - "No ppv cut, dawg." 2014 - "Leave yo promoter, he don't treat you right ." They are fans of PAC not the sport. Just leave their poor souls be. Says the dope who's only posts on this forum relate to Mayweather and Pacquiao.

Not at all, it seems that juicing is inherently a cultural thing over at TMT. Apparently. Berto, Peterson (not TMT), Mayweather... And they want testing.

Well to understand, Cotto did as much work in his Mayweather fight as he did in every other fight, on a business standpoint. "Cotto Promotions", "Khan Promotions", they are simply names on checking accounts. They are not real companies. GBP does all the heavy lifting. The same is with Floyd. "Mayweather Promotions" is just a title screen, GBP does the work. The SHO Box fights that are "promoted" by Mayweather promotions are in reality done by GBP. If Manny became a free agent it would be the same. Instead of TR doing the work for the promotion, GBP would be. If Manny dosen't want to make the switch, then rest assured, hes either lazy or just plain stupid to not realize the opportunities available to him. Like I said in my previous post GBP has between 10-15 options for Manny, where as Top Rank has 3 or so. If he wants to maximize his potential, growth and stock, he should become a free agent and sign with promotional companies on and fight by fight basis. like i said the way i see it is pac feels he's at a position where he doesnt have to do much so he doesnt feel the need to be his own boss. u have to remember one thing i dont think manny knows the ins and outs of boxing, so if pac was to leave arum he would be clueless of what to do and would really have to put some effort into it by hiring more people to run things for him in return he is risking getting burned by these people. and gotta remember english is not pac's first language, shiiet gets complicated when ur trying to run ur own promotional company in a different country that speaks a language u're not too familiar with. i know this sounds dumb since ur not around it so u wont understand what im gonna say here but with a lot of asian immigrants, their attitude is "yes sir" type. meaning if they found a job and all they do there is pick up trash but their getting paid for it, they feel lucky that atleast they have a job. their not gonna quit that job and go find a new one knowing how hard its gonna be. thats how asian immigrants think like, not all but the majority.

A number of fighters have tested positive. If we use this logic, than Manny and cotto are dirty because Roach trained Jams Toney when he came up dirty. thats silly IMO. I only saw an article where it was rumored floyd tested dirty. There was never any confirmation and the author, Thomas Hauser, never followed up with anything so I took it with a grain of salt. either way, It didn't have anything to do with my post which was just about floyd being a promoter. Not at all, it seems that juicing is inherently a cultural thing over at TMT.

what does them testing positive have to do with the question of floyd being a promoter and them being the fighters he promotes? He's a small time promoter and he wont be the promoter should any fight with Manny happen. It will be GBP or Top Rank or a co promotion.

Yeah but that $6 mil in the hand is not something I personally would walk away from, especially if its Tim Bradley who doesn't have a strong fanbase that supports him. Take $6m now or invest in your future, and down the road earn $12m. Its very easy to lure someone into a deal by putting money up front. Look what GBP did for Canelo. Star in 2 years. Bradley "beat" Pac and decisively beat Marquez, and still isn't a star outside of the boxing community. When I tell people about the upcoming Pac-Bradley fight, I have to say Pacquiao is fighting the guy that beat him but really didn't beat him. As with "The One", I would say Floyd is fighting Canelo. And they knew exactly who Canelo was. The red head mexican beast.

Floyd would get his biggest pay day ever if he fought Manny. How Manny chooses to distribute his money, is none of Floyds business. So why doesn't Floyd just make is "easy money"? It would be the most hes ever made. Money Mayweather will never fight Pacquiao. He's scared. Health comes first.

if manny do that, that means manny would actually have to work and i dont think manny is trying to go that route. with bob all he has to do is show up to collect his check. even though he could be making way more without bob, what he's getting now is good enough for him. therefore he doesnt feel the need to leave. kinda like ur side chick, ur not serious about her but if shes willing to give it up ur gonna keep her around. Well to understand, Cotto did as much work in his Mayweather fight as he did in every other fight, on a business standpoint. "Cotto Promotions", "Khan Promotions", they are simply names on checking accounts. They are not real companies. GBP does all the heavy lifting. The same is with Floyd. "Mayweather Promotions" is just a title screen, GBP does the work. The SHO Box fights that are "promoted" by Mayweather promotions are in reality done by GBP. If Manny became a free agent it would be the same. Instead of TR doing the work for the promotion, GBP would be. If Manny dosen't want to make the switch, then rest assured, hes either lazy or just plain stupid to not realize the opportunities available to him. Like I said in my previous post GBP has between 10-15 options for Manny, where as Top Rank has 3 or so. If he wants to maximize his potential, growth and stock, he should become a free agent and sign with promotional companies on and fight by fight basis.

A number of fighters have tested positive. If we use this logic, than Manny and cotto are dirty because Roach trained Jams Toney when he came up dirty. thats silly IMO. I only saw an article where it was rumored floyd tested dirty. There was never any confirmation and the author, Thomas Hauser, never followed up with anything so I took it with a grain of salt. either way, It didn't have anything to do with my post which was just about floyd being a promoter. Hauser has had a vendetta against Floyd for years now. He discredits him at ANY chance he can get. :lol1:

Good points in general. I think a guy like Manny will earn wherever he is. He is an a side in every fight except floyd so I see the benefit in being "the guy" at a successful company like TR. Name fighters who are not affiliated like cotto and pascal should definitely remain free agents. I would think Tim Bradley might have done same but TR did have a huge $6 mil gurantee and you can't walk away from that. Bradley has his wife managing his career, I personally would not let her run or manage anything I was associated with. Bradley has what 3 options at TR. If he went to GBP he would get paid, fight frequently and have 10-15 options.

If Manny Had any smarts at all, or if anyone around him had any smarts at all, he would leave Arum and become a free agent just as Miguel Cotto did. He would maximize his earning potential exponentially. If Manny can't understand that, without a doubt I would not trust him as a political leader. if manny do that, that means manny would actually have to work and i dont think manny is trying to go that route. with bob all he has to do is show up to collect his check. even though he could be making way more without bob, what he's getting now is good enough for him. therefore he doesnt feel the need to leave. kinda like ur side chick, ur not serious about her but if shes willing to give it up ur gonna keep her around.

what does them testing positive have to do with the question of floyd being a promoter and them being the fighters he promotes? Just shows that Floyds house is dirty. Add in Floyds three dirty tests, and it shows theres some shady **** going on over there.

I never said floyd was his own promoter I said floyd was a promoter. You keep repeating this when you know it isn't true and I don't know why. I've made my points. At this time its best for me to move on. I agree regarding my man above. But I hope those other posters will answer. so if floyd is not his own promoter why did u say floyd is just trying to do what arum is doing by telling pac to leave arum?? is pac fighting one of floyd's fighter??

If Manny Had any smarts at all, or if anyone around him had any smarts at all, he would leave Arum and become a free agent just as Miguel Cotto did. He would maximize his earning potential exponentially. If Manny can't understand that, without a doubt I would not trust him as a political leader.

It seemed he got offended that I said Haymon was as smart as Bob because they both have Harvard degrees. Thats a little crazy. I believe he hires GBP to do the promotional ground work fon an individual fights. ESPN and several other media outlets have reported this. Doesn't he promote Ishe Smith, J'eon Love and Mickey Bey? Can these guys pass a drug test?