De La Hoya's greatness should up there with Roy Jones'

Meaning if you put Jones in the top 20 or anywhere, he(DLH) should be up there with him. Not saying DLH is greater, just that he has a right to. I know a certain group of fans are going to say "WTF!" http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_WZnLYoOF__0/S10geXAfusI/AAAAAAAAAW0/oV-vNM00-HI/s320/black-man-angry-about-behavior-of-a.jpg Both guys at the time did something legendary, something no other in the history of boxing has done before. Roy Jones went on to win a title from Middleweight all the way to Heavyweight. I don't think it's an accomplishment that will be beaten any time soon. DLH on the other hand, won titles in 6 divisions against a superb amount of competition(yes I know, Pac beat that record). When it came to moving pretty, Jones is one of the best of all time. Hell, I'd put him in my top 3 easily! That movement however looked much flashier against the likes of cops like Frazier and others that flood Jones' resume. Not saying he didn't looked pretty in moving against quality opposition fyi. Now to the present day, DLH is retired and Roy Jones is still boxing. Jones has been tarnishing his legacy by accumulating losses on his record to the likes of Green and others. Type of boxers DLH never lost to, prime or no prime. A boxer should be judged by his overall career. Not just picking and choosing! The greatest movies, music, players in other sports are judged by that standard(From start to finish). Shouldn't be any different for boxers. Let's look at their overall records. DLH - 39 Wins, 6 losses, and 0 draws. With 66.67% KO ratio. Jones - 57 Wins, 8 losses, and 0 draws. With a 61.54% KO ratio. My personal OPINION on resumes are Oscar an A & Jones a C+. I know people are going to cry about the Griffin DQ loss but a loss is a loss. A well deserved one too! Oscar should of gotten a point taken off or even disqualified for the same reason in one of his earlier fights(forgot who it was) for hitting while down. Now we can compare resumes but be prepared to give DLH his dues for the same standards. Examples are....like praising Jones' wins over McCallum/Trinidad while discrediting DLH's victories over Whitaker/Chavez. Not counting Jones' losses but counting DLH's. Help me understand where YOU are coming from.....WHY SHOULDN'T OSCAR BE UP THERE WITH OTHER GREATS LIKE JONES(Who is tarnishing his legacy)? That was severely lacking in my other thread about Hagler/DLH and rarely did anyone made me understand. None of that fantasy H2H bullshit either. Going for a little run but I'll be back to look at some hopefully credible comments. I know I'm going to get responses like.......... You ignant(closed fist fan boys are not allowed) Haha Oscar is a tranny Oscar lost all his big fights(which has been debunked many times) Is this serious? *followed by no explanation from poster* No! *Ask to explain* No reasonable response

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Can Andre Ward, Hopkins, Stevenson or Kovalev go up to HVWT and beat someone like Glazkov, Chisora or Pulev? Cause that's what RJJ did. I would not doubt Hopkins or Ward. They're special fighters fighting in your scenario, unremarkable guys. Stevenson and Kov are still largely untested.

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MrFantastic

Can Andre Ward, Hopkins, Stevenson or Kovalev go up to HVWT and beat someone like Glazkov, Chisora or Pulev? Cause that's what RJJ did. Good comparison.

12y ago

Sugar_Adam_Ali

In all fairness Eubanks didn't really want it and neither did michlewski benn and Collins fight could have tho. True, that's a valid point,,

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MRBOOMER

Forget the uk fights,, what about domestic champs like g-man, liles, both guys had amateur wins over jones, both champs And funny how fighters before and after Roy landed uk fights, but somehow with Roy it doesn't matter,,, Hopkins calzaghe Floyd hatton G-man benn Hagler minter Tyson Bruno Oscar sturm Srr Turpin Louis schmelling Lennox vitali Long list of big fights in history of boxing, but Roy defenders act like no fights could be made with benn, Eubanks, Collins, michlewski when clearly history shows that fights like that get made and are usually huge moneymakers And what about the domestic champs,,, Roy chose Brannon over unification with liles,,, that's when I truly realized that Roy is smoke and mirrors In all fairness Eubanks didn't really want it and neither did michlewski benn and Collins fight could have tho.

12y ago

JmH_Reborn

I personally feel like RJJ is one of the most overrated fighters ever. Sure, he has unprecedented level of athleticism, but once that went away, he was nothing more than an average boxer. I can't stand the praise he gets for the heavyweight fight, it was such a farce. He cherrypicked the weakest link, a guy he knew he could beat. He didn't stay there and defend against the other heavies or fight the other true champs. His win is like Pac vs Margarito or Broner against a washed up Paulie. I loved Oscar, much like I love Cotto now, win, lose or draw, they always fought the best available and more often than not, they won. You win some, you lose some, but at least you tried. I can respect that more than any attempts to swindle the public. And please, why are people giving Jones credit for Tito? Tito was a fat 170 lb, washed up has-been who was retired

12y ago

MrFantastic

:lol1: And then just keeps going in circles. In about a month or so I expect another one of these "Oscar is great. Just because" threads. He has the stats to prove it. Has the style in the ring as well. I'm not like the Floyd nation bragging about PPVs/Fantasy fights and shit.

12y ago

IronDanHamza

Why? You've had it explained to you before. You ignore it or use incredibly twisted logic to argue them. :lol1: And then just keeps going in circles. In about a month or so I expect another one of these "Oscar is great. Just because" threads.

12y ago

kardsufur

DLH Resumé > Roid Jones Resumé

12y ago

MrFantastic

no, i dont even think they had ESPN Friday Night Fights then...it was hyped on USA Tuesday Night Fights but was held on PPV Ahh ok. TY sir. Forgot all about the Tuesday Night Fights.

12y ago

Fidel456

Dlh was the last of the true size welterweight fighters now u have all these blown up punks including lil floyd calling themselves welterweight champs.

12y ago

Sugar_Adam_Ali

If I remember correctly, Jones vs Toney was on ESPN Friday Night Fights correct? No I don't think so... I remember it being hyped as the uncivil war, and I'm pretty sure it was ppv

12y ago

MrFantastic

I think everything Oscar touched, whether it was a big fight or small fight, was Golden. If RJJ was Oscar, his fight with James Toney would've broke PPV records. If I remember correctly, Jones vs Toney was on ESPN Friday Night Fights correct?

12y ago

Fighting_Pride0173

not sure. roy jones achieved a feat no was able to able to replicate in a hundred years though dela hoya's world titles in 6 weight divisions is superhuman Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

12y ago

MrRolltide91

the only thing I give oscar over roy is he fought better competition.

12y ago

Sugar_Adam_Ali

We've talked for a total of maybe 20 pages on this subject. I know your stance and you know mine. True, fair enough,,, have a good night my friend

12y ago

Sugar_Adam_Ali

Roy was robbed in the olympics and left with Bronze... No he didn't get the same notoriety Oscar got heading into his pro career. Which big fights are you referring too? The ones in the UK that no one asked for? Oscar had a bigger fan base than Roy. No question about it. But that doesn't mean that RJJ didn't whoop everyone in his path over a 15 year period. You're confusing bigger fan base with better fight selection, which isn't true. Forget the uk fights,, what about domestic champs like g-man, liles, both guys had amateur wins over jones, both champs And funny how fighters before and after Roy landed uk fights, but somehow with Roy it doesn't matter,,, Hopkins calzaghe Floyd hatton G-man benn Hagler minter Tyson Bruno Oscar sturm Srr Turpin Louis schmelling Lennox vitali Long list of big fights in history of boxing, but Roy defenders act like no fights could be made with benn, Eubanks, Collins, michlewski when clearly history shows that fights like that get made and are usually huge moneymakers And what about the domestic champs,,, Roy chose Brannon over unification with liles,,, that's when I truly realized that Roy is smoke and mirrors

12y ago

Sugar_Adam_Ali

The Lewis fight was an impossible one. I get your point, but when Oscar fought Hopkins, the weight difference was maybe 15 lbs at most. If RJJ would've fought Lewis, the weight difference would've been 50-60 lbs which is an impossible fight. Come on SAA, you knew this at the time. Don't get me wrong, Oscar took on great challenges and fought all comers, but you can't compare him fighting Hopkins to RJJ fight Lennox Lewis. True about Lewis,,, and to be honest Lewis wasn't very keen on it either.. But look at Roy's history.... Mw title, didn't fight g-man or another established champ,,, fought for a vacant title vs a philly club fighter SMW he fought toney, that's legit, but he needed a name win to become a superstar,, never fought any other champs at 168 175 fought an ancient jr middle, and then a bunch of paper champs Heavy fought slow plodder Ruiz But I just can't defend Roy when his whole career he never took big fights.. He had to take one to become a star and that was toney,, before and after was nothing... And then when his long term hbo contract ran out, and he had to fight tough fights for his usual money, he got owned by tarver

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MrFantastic

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MrFantastic

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Sugar_Adam_Ali

Because Oscar was the Golden Boy; Literally. When he won the gold in the olympics that really set his career off; similar to SRL. Oscar also had the looks to match his skills. The women loved him and so did the media. RJJ and Ward never got this type treatment post olympics; neither did Mayweather. Oscar was really the last U.S boxer to win gold and hit it big immediately into his pro career Wasn't Roy the best fighter of the 88 games, and his screwing by judges caused Olympic scoring to be changed... Fact is Roy never took the big fights,, he fought one big fight in the 90s,, oscar fought countless... 4 years deep in Roy's career his best wins were vaca and Castro, no titles.. Oscar 4 years deep was PPv headlining vs Chavez and had already curb stomped leija, genero, Molina, ruelas, Roy had every opportunity that oscar had, Roy just didn't chase big fights, oscar basically took every big fight imaginable,, dude fought undefeated prime Ike, Tito, Shane in less than 18 months,,, unbelievable

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