I'm worried about Bradley's health because they decided not to do RDT.

He's using the same testing that Marquez Bradley used. Did you have a problem with that testing agency? Just curious. Wait so Bradley is doing both VADA and the NSAC 2.0 testing? Odd. I'm still cool with that though. Anything other than Vegas testing circa 2011.

Exactly! Basically corruption is unpreventable no matter how you slice it. But there's less conflict of interest with NSAC. Also size of an organization plays a role too when it comes to corruption. I'd argue it's easier to corrupt a one-person staffed organization (VADA) versus an organization with more than a dozen full-time staffers (NSAC). We see eye to eye on this. Commission testing is not ideal, but it's the best possible option lacking a national commission like Germany or Britain. That would be the gamechanger in a lot of ways, including testing

The questionable commission is the only one with the power to do anything with a failed test. In every other sport it's guys like these that contract out the testing agency. I do see the conflict of interest, but it's nothing compared to the conflict of interest in these private contracts. Who pays good money for something that can only hurt them financially? You think all these bikers and baseball players would be coming up dirty if they or their teams were paying for the testing, with private contracts? Exactly! Basically corruption is unpreventable no matter how you slice it. But there's less conflict of interest with NSAC. Also size of an organization plays a role too when it comes to corruption. I'd argue it's easier to corrupt a one-person staffed organization (VADA) versus an organization with more than a dozen full-time staffers (NSAC).

Wait, didn't Manny do VADA for Rios? Why not Bradley? He's using the same testing that Marquez Bradley used. Did you have a problem with that testing agency? Just curious.

Wait, didn't Manny do VADA for Rios? Why not Bradley? Because NSAC will be doing the extra testing like with Bradley vs Marquez. The commission in Macau wasn't equiped for the job probably

Wait, didn't Manny do VADA for Rios? Why not Bradley?

You're right but only in theory. That SHOULD be best case scenario but for one, Arum is involved and two NSAC isnt exactly the epitome of trustworthy. The private contracts are *supposed* to be less bias. The system as it is right now is still flawed and personally I'd rather take my chances with a private company than NSAC doing ALL of the work. NSAC also has incentive to lie especially if say... GBP or Arum decide to take business elsewhere. What do you think NSAC would do in the event say... pacquiao or floyd failed a test? Have Arum take more of his business to Macau/Texas /etc? Or take some hush hush money or forget to..or flat out not test for certain things? Ideally, it'd be awesome if NSAC was the picture of transparency and Arum couldnt reach em and let them handle EVERYTHING.... But it's a little worryingro think they hold ALL of the control in the eyes of the b side fighter dont you think? Sure, they have to send the results to the commission (and hell maybe theyre not beyond being bought either) but IF they send the results, NSAC still has the last say but they'll have at least had a fair shake at the testing level. Picture the two biggest names going at it, NSAC being the end all be all of the testing but on fighter's promoter has a bit of "pull" there.... Do you not think there's a bit of a higher chance of being screwed for the other fighter?? Or do you think if a different, independent and "neutral" company is in charge of the testing, NSAC would be a little less likely to try to pull one over on everyone knowing the type of backlash they could potentially suffer? It would take two or three sides to lie using a diff company...but only ONE with NSAC handling every part of it. Admittedly I'm not super knowledgable on this topic but thats kind of the general feeling i get with Arum's presence and a questionable state athletic commission The questionable commission is the only one with the power to do anything with a failed test. In every other sport it's guys like these that contract out the testing agency. I do see the conflict of interest, but it's nothing compared to the conflict of interest in these private contracts. Who pays good money for something that can only hurt them financially? You think all these bikers and baseball players would be coming up dirty if they or their teams were paying for the testing, with private contracts?

Ok, just went and read about VADA and your right. I was under the impression that they handled everything from start to finish. Yeah see, VADA is only a handful of people. Their only full-time staffer is Margaret Goodman. They either don't have an official office, and even if they do have one, it's the size of your closet. So no way could they do such a thing from start to finish. NSAC and USADA are large in staff, they have real offices and a bunch of full-time staff members. And even NSAC and USADA doesn't handle the entire testing and results process themselves.

What's so complicated about this? NSAC instituting random "OST style" testing is the best case scenario. How is it better having private contracts with test agencies, who in the best case will forward the result to the same commission, but may also keep it quiet cause it hurts their employer the promoter? You're right but only in theory. That SHOULD be best case scenario but for one, Arum is involved and two NSAC isnt exactly the epitome of trustworthy. The private contracts are *supposed* to be less bias. The system as it is right now is still flawed and personally I'd rather take my chances with a private company than NSAC doing ALL of the work. NSAC also has incentive to lie especially if say... GBP or Arum decide to take business elsewhere. What do you think NSAC would do in the event say... pacquiao or floyd failed a test? Have Arum take more of his business to Macau/Texas /etc? Or take some hush hush money or forget to..or flat out not test for certain things? Ideally, it'd be awesome if NSAC was the picture of transparency and Arum couldnt reach em and let them handle EVERYTHING.... But it's a little worryingro think they hold ALL of the control in the eyes of the b side fighter dont you think? Sure, they have to send the results to the commission (and hell maybe theyre not beyond being bought either) but IF they send the results, NSAC still has the last say but they'll have at least had a fair shake at the testing level. Picture the two biggest names going at it, NSAC being the end all be all of the testing but on fighter's promoter has a bit of "pull" there.... Do you not think there's a bit of a higher chance of being screwed for the other fighter?? Or do you think if a different, independent and "neutral" company is in charge of the testing, NSAC would be a little less likely to try to pull one over on everyone knowing the type of backlash they could potentially suffer? It would take two or three sides to lie using a diff company...but only ONE with NSAC handling every part of it. Admittedly I'm not super knowledgable on this topic but thats kind of the general feeling i get with Arum's presence and a questionable state athletic commission

I'm not in the least bit curious because the samples get taken to the same facility and/or exact replica facility for testing. So there is no difference. If you want the random testing to be done more often, or frequently, it's better to request that from the one SINGLE agency. Keep in mind, the more frequent, the more intrusive/interruptions it is for a fighter in training. It's annoying. The only difference I guess you can argue is the way in which samples are taken may be different and may make a difference in results. With Brandon Rios, whoever VADA hired was kinda unprofessional about it. So other than that, it really doesn't interest me. Yes, that is what I was trying to get at. I understand what you're saying about the facilities being used - it's just the path that the physical blood takes on its journey to said facility that I sometimes wonder about. I'm not suggesting that both should be used all the time or anything like that..sometimes I just think about what would happen if the two were pitted against each other just on an experimental basis, so we could know. for sure. lol

what a joke, they're shook at the thought of facing Tim again There shook after the beatdown and robbery the first time! Tim Bradley did nothing that should worry them other than have some corrupt ass judges, if I was Pacquiao I would be the one worried. If he doesn't knock him out we could see another robbery!

VADA does NOT do their own testing. None of them do their own testing. Not even USADA. Not the agencies in Europe, none of them. VADA doesn't even have their own staff to take samples, they hire an outside agency to take the samples. This is fact. Ok, just went and read about VADA and your right. I was under the impression that they handled everything from start to finish.

Manny back on "Let the commission do their job" when facing a dangerous fighter who is looking to school him again with two good ankles this time:lol1:

I don't understand how you could think using both tests would be a useless idea. Aren't you the least bit curious what would happen in such an experiment? Isn't that trying to get as close as we can to a 'double blind' setup? While they might use the same facility to test the samples, the chain of custody of the blood could be quite different between the two. I'm not in the least bit curious because the samples get taken to the same facility and/or exact replica facility for testing. So there is no difference. If you want the random testing to be done more often, or frequently, it's better to request that from the one SINGLE agency. Keep in mind, the more frequent, the more intrusive/interruptions it is for a fighter in training. It's annoying. The only difference I guess you can argue is the way in which samples are taken may be different and may make a difference in results. With Brandon Rios, whoever VADA hired was kinda unprofessional about it. So other than that, it really doesn't interest me.

hmmm, im more interested in watching the fight than worrying about what tests they are doing.

I don't understand how you could think using both tests would be a useless idea. Aren't you the least bit curious what would happen in such an experiment? Isn't that trying to get as close as we can to a 'double blind' setup? While they might use the same facility to test the samples, the chain of custody of the blood could be quite different between the two. 2 tests is kinda ridiculous. They don't do that in any other sport cause it implies that the test agency may be somehow biased or corrupt. If test agencies are that unreliable, the whole thing is a farce

Aren't they doing WADA through NSAC? Someone post a source reguarding what Paulie is talking about

I dont think its the drug testing that will be bradleys big problem.. I think it will be more of the fact that bradley's punch resistance and chin have been wrecked in the ruslan fight.. Jmm wasnt a big enough puncher and too slow to pull the trigger on bradley, but when he did land flush, i didnt like how bradley reacted, but he was lucky that jmm could never sustain the momentum.. Manny's chin and punch resistance is damaged as well, but bradley doesnt have the power or the elite counterpunching like jmm does, to really cause manny damage.. I think manny can land a straight down the pipe, he can wreck bradley, and with manny's hand and foot speed, i think he can get bradley into trouble and finish him...Not the most likely scenario, i still like manny via decision, but it wont shock me if manny stops bradley in under 6

Testing being done by both agencies is a useless concept. It's useless because the testing takes place in the same and/or similar accredited labs. All VADA and NSAC do is just get the samples, then send them off to a lab. So whether or not they use VADA or NSAC is irrelevant. The only issue is that this is professional boxing and NSAC doesn't have the cleanest reputation. But again, using both is a hopeless concept. For instance, when Bradley used both VADA and NSAC at the same time -- he was the fool. The first law is that you protect yourself at all times. Taking a random drug test is NOT protecting yourself, you are protecting your opponent only. Meanwhile, the foolish boxer isn't protected from his opponent! Insanity. You are a boxer, not Jesus. :lol1: I don't understand how you could think using both tests would be a useless idea. Aren't you the least bit curious what would happen in such an experiment? Isn't that trying to get as close as we can to a 'double blind' setup? While they might use the same facility to test the samples, the chain of custody of the blood could be quite different between the two.

Actually VADA does all their own testing. They do not send the samples out. VADA does NOT do their own testing. None of them do their own testing. Not even USADA. Not the agencies in Europe, none of them. VADA doesn't even have their own staff to take samples, they hire an outside agency to take the samples. This is fact.