In Theory Can Sports Networks put Bob Arum & Golden Boy Promotions OUT OF BUSINESS?

networking? how much networking do you need if you are signed to a major sports network? lol.... and what about retirement? you think a major network cant provide like a known cheapskate in arum and oscar? establishing venue? are you serious? you dont think espn can set up a venue for a fight? showtime which is owned by cbs knows how to set up venues? :lol1: . HBO/Showtime would need to develop its networks. As things stand promoters are in communication with gyms, sanctioning bodies, commission, scouts, tv networks, trainers, agents, venues, other promoters; both nationally and internationally. What about retirement? The point is that when the big stars retire they would have to find new talent. It is not a matter of them being unable to provide a venue or pay the talent; it is about them not being willing to take on the risk and commit that amount of time.

same reason the state hires people to clean sewers

Didn't they try this back in the 90's only instead of a sport network was a hotel owner in las vegas?The douglas-hollyfield fight I believe.....

Top Networks air probably .01% of all fights, and only the top fighters. A lot goes into promoting and thats why almost every top fighter has a promoter and they pay them like 20%. Can they become promoters "in theory"? I guess. Can a super rich Rap star become a promoter? 50 Cent has and look how well his fighters are doing, and he bought them while they were on top, didnt build them up.

bro, you've done nothing but tell me how wrong i am yet you have offered no explanation or rebuttal whatsoever. i made this thread so i can get people's opinion on the matter not empty sarcastic remarks. Go ahead. Ill wait. If you post another cowardly conceited post you are going on ignore. fair point. not trying to be a dick but this isnt really a topic for opinion. Promoters put on cards, networks air them. Just because Showtime and HBO are owned by large corporations doesnt mean they want, or can, be in the business of promoting fighters. Promoting has its own economy of event planning, legal issues, scouting, etc that dont offer any benefit to networks--only more work. Networks pay to air fights and try to garner subscriptions. Why would they need to to all the "dirty" work and spend more money and time? This is why they don't promote/manage fighters. What you are suggesting would be great but a separate entity like a commission or league would need to be formed akin to UFC.

bro you have got it ALL wrong bro, you've done nothing but tell me how wrong i am yet you have offered no explanation or rebuttal whatsoever. i made this thread so i can get people's opinion on the matter not empty sarcastic remarks. Go ahead. Ill wait. If you post another cowardly conceited post you are going on ignore.

a promoter cant promote better than a major network like espn which is owned by abc or like showtime which is owned by cbs or hbo which is owned by time warner. when promoters go to promote fights and sell tickets, where do you think they go first to buy ad space? sports networks. You say you need a promoter to pick and choose fights for a development fighter? what kinda like what lou dibella did for hbo when hbo used to put great fights? bro you have got it ALL wrong

The Tase guy needs to do some more research and rethink his point. why dont you illuminate me instead of making snide remarks. that's why i made the thread. you seem to have vast knowledge on the ins and outs of sports network and boxing promotion tell me.

It's easy to forget with these extravagant HBO license fees, but back in the day the main source of revenue came from ticket sales. You needed a promoter to sell tickets. A television network does not have the expertise for that. Also, a promoter is needed to pick and choose the right fights for the development of a fighter, especially early in their career. HBO certainly won't be airing those type of development fights. a promoter cant promote better than a major network like espn which is owned by abc or like showtime which is owned by cbs or hbo which is owned by time warner. when promoters go to promote fights and sell tickets, where do you think they go first to buy ad space? sports networks. You say you need a promoter to pick and choose fights for a development fighter? what kinda like what lou dibella did for hbo when hbo used to put great fights?

The Tase guy needs to do some more research and rethink his point.

In theory yes - but I think the issue, there is no oversight for them. In the current practice - HBO/Showtime act as oversight to the promoters, by accepting/declining which fights to air on their broadcasting. So HBO/Show can elect to avoid the 35th showcase fight for Canelo and force him to step up or go off the air and make no money. If HBO signs fighters, they'll only go off of ratings, then you'll most certainly never see HBO vs Showtime fighters. The only thing that would fix the mess that is boxing is to unionize, create a league of sorts - model themselves after UFC. They've proven that the model can work for combat sports. Plus HBO and Showtime open themselves to other legal issues when dealing with fighters. The only real issue isn't the promoters, it's those belt organizations that have their hand in the cookie pot you already dont see showtime vs hbo fighters and there already is regulation depending on which state you hold a fight in. Why do they need promoters? It is about networking that's why. It is all well and good signing a few top fighters, but what will happen when they retire? What will happen if they lose? What will happen for the rest of the years? Promoters have the network in terms of establishing venue, in terms of match making, talent scouting and talent development. networking? how much networking do you need if you are signed to a major sports network? lol.... and what about retirement? you think a major network cant provide like a known cheapskate in arum and oscar? establishing venue? are you serious? you dont think espn can set up a venue for a fight? showtime which is owned by cbs knows how to set up venues? :lol1: Networks aren't in the business of developing talent and putting on shows. That stuff is incredibly costly and time consuming. And quite frankly it's a lot of hard work that mostly won't pay off. And I'm pretty sure the Ali act has some regulations could make this sort of thing hard to do, although I doubt anyone pays attention to that thing. sure they are. what the hell do you call andre berto's hbo career? zou shiming was on hbo. what do yo call friday night fights? you think every fight on showtime and hbo are all marquee big named fights? networks show developing talent all the time.

It's easy to forget with these extravagant HBO license fees, but back in the day the main source of revenue came from ticket sales. You needed a promoter to sell tickets. A television network does not have the expertise for that. Also, a promoter is needed to pick and choose the right fights for the development of a fighter, especially early in their career. HBO certainly won't be airing those type of development fights.

Networks aren't in the business of developing talent and putting on shows. That stuff is incredibly costly and time consuming. And quite frankly it's a lot of hard work that mostly won't pay off. And I'm pretty sure the Ali act has some regulations could make this sort of thing hard to do, although I doubt anyone pays attention to that thing.

Why do they need promoters? It is about networking that's why. It is all well and good signing a few top fighters, but what will happen when they retire? What will happen if they lose? What will happen for the rest of the years? Promoters have the network in terms of establishing venue, in terms of match making, talent scouting and talent development.

In theory yes - but I think the issue, there is no oversight for them. In the current practice - HBO/Showtime act as oversight to the promoters, by accepting/declining which fights to air on their broadcasting. So HBO/Show can elect to avoid the 35th showcase fight for Canelo and force him to step up or go off the air and make no money. If HBO signs fighters, they'll only go off of ratings, then you'll most certainly never see HBO vs Showtime fighters. The only thing that would fix the mess that is boxing is to unionize, create a league of sorts - model themselves after UFC. They've proven that the model can work for combat sports. Plus HBO and Showtime open themselves to other legal issues when dealing with fighters. The only real issue isn't the promoters, it's those belt organizations that have their hand in the cookie pot

Wow...where to begin. Im not sure this post can be fixed.

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