I can tell a lot of posters on here have no followed boxing very long with some of the comments on here. A whole revisionist history. He is a cherrypicker that doesnt take risks? simple facts throws this assertion under the bus
FACTS THAT YOU DONT KNOW OR IGNORE ABOUT FLOYD MAYWEATHERS CAREER
1) He won the lineal title in is 18th pro fight, 2nd year as a pro at 21 years of age. Very few fighters have won titles, younger or in fewer fights. Also considering the quality of fighter. Genaro Hernandez was the man at 130 for years and beat the best there. Not no vacant title, against some unranked guy but THE MAN.
2) Only Manny Pacquaio has won 4 lineal titles and each time he won a lineal title it was against the number one guy, not some vacant title. Hernandez(130), Castillo(135), 147(Baldomir, Mosley), Canelo(154)
Try to name one former lineal junior lightweight world champion who would beat Canelo, Oscar and Cotto.
2) in 45 fights almost half his fights are title fights and over a third are against future former or current world champions.
3) With signing to fight Maidana he will have fought 13 world titlists he has defeated 12 in a row....name one fighter in this era or prior who has done so....Whitaker, Chavez, Jones, Hopkins, Toney, Leonard, Hearns, none of them have done this. There may not be a lot of great fighters in his era but he has consistently beat good to very good competition convincingly for a long time
4) In his early career as pretty boy floyd he called everyone out on HBO TSZYU, ODLH, Mosley, Casamayor, all the top guys avoided him until he became the cash cow
5) he conceded everything to ODLH for the fight...gloves, ring size, weight class, etc...he earned his spot. The champ doesnt call out guys, face it. you dont have to watch him. I will.:boxing:
And you guys will be crying your asses off when he does UD him. Can't wait for the conspiracies.
What happens in the ring may be different than the expectations but by seeing that you picked Bradley, you are admitting that the fight is not a cherry pick. Everyone knows that of course .... yet for some strange reason, you pick that fight to try to downplay the TRUE cherry picking of Floyd. I wonder why? :lol1:
The lengths you Floyd fans go to try to protect Floyd is amazing.
What's ridiculous to me is how some people can claim that Floyd has never tested himself and fought all bums.
By that measure every opponent that loses to Floyd is a bum and thus nobody should get credit for beating them. By that measure we should also consider that anybody who lost to a former Floyd opponent is also a bum because they lost to a bum.
That means that every "good" or "great" fighter from Floyd's surrounding weight classes is a bum or does not have a credible resume. Since Floyd has never tested himself against these opponents it is clear that these opponents are not tests.
This means that we are actually all watching a farce. I'm surprised all of you guys who think that these guys suck haven't stepped up, started boxing, and replaced Floyd as the PPV king with yourself.
You guys do realize by saying that Floyd has never tested himself and fought bums that you are stating that JMM was never a test and also a bum. That means that Manny Pacquaio (whom I'm assuming is some of you guys' favorite boxer to beat Floyd) lost to a bum. Does that mean if Pacquaio were to lose to Floyd that he would be a bum too? Does that mean if Floyd shuts out Manny that Manny wasn't a test?
You can't have it both ways.
Clearly Floyd could have picked better opponents for some of his fights but at the same time it's not like other ATG's that were mentioned in this thread fought the #2 contender every single time they fought after winning their first belt.
I obviously do not believe that Manny is a bum in any way shape or form. I don't believe that any professional boxer is a bum. There are differing levels of talent. Sometimes the fights just can't be made, at these times clearer underdogs are given a chance to shine. Unfortunately while these fights would be deemed as at least somewhat competitive for other fights; Floyd's talent level causes people to say that Floyd is cherry picking. I seriously doubt if Pac fought Maidana instead of Bradley that people would say Pac is cherry picking. I think Pac would destroy Maidana but I still think that would be a great fight. I think that if May fought Bradley and beat him people would say that it was a cherry pick because Floyd knew Bradley was all wrong for him.
I seriously understand but fail to understand how people can hate Floyd so much. I understand that he is arrogant, but how does that affect you personally to inspire hate? I don't understand it, like it's the same with Lebron James where people truly HATE him for the decision. Like what the hell is wrong with you people? You can dislike these people but to downplay and diss Mayweather is ridiculous.
I will leave you with this: no matter how much you attempt to belittle Mayweather he will still be regarded as one of the best to ever do it. Instead of hating on that, why don't you just sit back and witness and appreciate history and a truly transcendent talent as he continues to dominate the sport we all love.
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I forgot to add this point: if Pacquaio were to fight through Mayweather's resume it is difficult to suggest he would be undefeated.
If Mayweather were to fight through Pacquaio's resume we can't conclude definitively that Mayweather would be undefeated (since there are some great opponents), but we can give Mayweather higher odds at doing this compared to Pac.
(Pac lost to JMM, Mayweather hasn't lost to any similar opponents.)
Wow that is a big list of champions that floyd has conquered. But all of those names doesnt matter because his legacy will be judged by the fights he didnt take. I dont see him landing in the top 30 atg list. Pacquiao will be rated higher than him for sure. 20 years from now when all of floyd's money, fame and friends are gone and what's left are his worthless belts, he would bang his head on his shoulder roll so hard regretting why he didnt fight and beat the pacman. Shame.
Baldomir had a good year but is NOTHING to write home about but I see that you have his name listed. WHY MAN, JUST WHY?
Marquez had a good year at 130 and moved up to 135 and fought Floyd at 147. Again, but is NOTHING to write home about but I see that you have his name listed. WHY MAN, JUST WHY?
You can name 100 names like that but they mean nothing.
Holmes fought Ali. That is a big name but did that mean anything? No because that was not prime Ali. So STOP THE EXAGERATION!!!
Floyd said it himself that he fights for money. So just leave him fight for money. That is why he wants to be called Floyd "MONEY" Mayweather. It's all a business to him. If it meant more, then he would be fighting the best out there not Maidana or Guerrero or some other guy that was RECENTLY HYPED UP ..... go ask yourself where was Guerrero, Ortiz, Baldomir, Marquez, Maidana and so on the year before they fought Floyd? All HYPE yet you say that you follow boxing for a long time?
This exactly, TS says he has been following boxing for "a long time." Of those 10 world champions name me 3 of them that are ATG's that were PRIME when Mayweather beat them? The one ATG fighter that he could have fought Prime v Prime was Pacquiao, and he ran from it.
I stated in this and other threads that Bradley vs Manny fight is better than Floyd vs Maidana. You and DeadLikeMe came back and tried to show me that Bradley is not all that and that even some Manny fans said so over the last 2 years. Right?
Now while being in another thread, I got curious and spotted DeadLikeMe picking Bradley to beat Manny by UD. So then why are you guys even arguing this point? At least DeadLikeMe has proven that he believes that Manny will lose. Yet you come in this thread to argue why I'm not saying that Manny is cherry picking Bradley? :pat: :rofl:
I know it must be because you want to protect Floyd's pick at all costs and downplay Manny's better pick.
And you guys will be crying your asses off when he does UD him. Can't wait for the conspiracies.
Mayweather's fans first line of defence for their man is Pacquiao. :lol1:
Fan A: "Mayweather-Maidana is a sh*t fight."
Fl*mo: "B-b-b-b-but what about Brandon Rios?"
Fan B: "Man, Floyd is such a hypocritical little b*tch for requesting a catchweight."
Fl*mo: "B-b-b-b-but what about Pacquiao and Cotto?"
its a sh^tty fight to you because you don't think Maidana can win but you think Lara would give Floyd problems...But the truth he would school both of them and after you would scream Maidana was bum and Lara was fixed or overrated...
Originally Posted by DeadLikeMe
Then additionally lost to Provodnikov according to many of the same posters. I'm sure plenty would have said he lost to JMM also except their hatred of JMM for KOing Pac seemingly outweighs their general enmity towards black fighters. Personally, I do think it is a good solid fight. Like you however, I am confused how people who spent a year or more talking about how Bradley was a feather-duster fraud can declare this a great fight? I mean, if he lost 11-1 or 10-2 to Pac like some of the atrocious scorecards I've seen on here indicate and then lost to Provodnikov. I'm just wondering how this can be a great fight in their eyes just by using their own metrics.
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Originally Posted by smoothsmg
Exactly what i am saying. Some of these posters on here might say Bradley has lost 3 fights in a row, yet this is such a great fight. I think its more about just praising manny honestly.
Hmmmm, I see you like to make things up in your head and go with it. Neither myself or DeadLikeMe stated that Marquez beat bradley. Talk about a joke. WOW
I stated in this and other threads that Bradley vs Manny fight is better than Floyd vs Maidana. You and DeadLikeMe came back and tried to show me that Bradley is not all that and that even some Manny fans said so over the last 2 years. Right?
Now while being in another thread, I got curious and spotted DeadLikeMe picking Bradley to beat Manny by UD. So then why are you guys even arguing this point? At least DeadLikeMe has proven that he believes that Manny will lose. Yet you come in this thread to argue why I'm not saying that Manny is cherry picking Bradley? :pat: :rofl:
I know it must be because you want to protect Floyd's pick at all costs and downplay Manny's better pick.
And not to be a dick but....what did that get Ali....I'm pretty sure he'd have wished health came first looking back on it. He was a true champion and a warrior but people fighting in a sport shouldn't have to suffer through the end of their lives.
What was Bob Costa talking about? He was saying that as great as Ali was, he had to get into those tough fights to become legendary.
Floyd didn't want to speak of the truth and brought up "health comes first"
Thats how good Floyd is.
Anybody else fights Maidana and its a great fight. Anybody. Matthyse vs Maidana, Garcia vs Maidana, Thurman vs Maidana, Paulie vs Maidana, Maidana vs Porter, Maidana vs Guerrero, Maidana vs Broner 2. Floyd fights him and its a cherry pick.
Even if it was Pac vs Maidana it would be a GREAT fight. Entertainment wise, there would be a legit belt on the line and no catchweight? That would be huge. But Floyd fights him and its a cherry pick.
Manny vs Bradley 2? :lol1: Im getting sleepy just thinking of it.
That's what Floyd fans said about the Ortiz that only fought Berto at WW. Ortiz has yet to win a fight!
Floyd fights them when they are all hyped up NOT when they have been consistently beating everyone at the WW. Before Broner, who spoke of Maidana and Floyd in the same sentence? NOBODY!!! Maidana lost every single round to Devon Alexander. Sure he was always holding but don't you think that Floyd has a few tricks up his sleeve?
Love how you avoided everything I said and turned it into something about Floyd. Yep Floyd cherrypicked Canelo, a person people said he would not fight, was undefeated, and the highest rated junior middleweight. If a fighter does not fight who YOU want him to fight, it does not mean he is cherry picking or ducking another fighter. YOU PEOPLE just throw out these asinine words/terms too much.
I didn't bring up Canelo but just an FYI, I stated BEFORE the fight was announced that Canelo was still too green and still learning to engage in a fight with Floyd. Also brought up the fact that he showed signs that he was NOT ready in the Trout fight. Low work rate, stamina issues, fights flat-footed....
And all that is not bringing up the fact that Floyd fought Canelo at a CW. According to Floyd and his fans logic prior to taking on Canelo, Canelo is still undefeated! :lol1:
Floyds so great he made JMM look like a sparring parter, and if hes so great why is he fighting a guy who lost to Pacs sparring partner.? Exactly, hes a cherry picker.
The ****?
Lol dude do you ever make any sense at all?
Personally, I do think it is a good solid fight. Like you however, I am confused how people who spent a year or more talking about how Bradley was a feather-duster fraud can declare this a great fight? I mean, if he lost 11-1 or 10-2 to Pac like some of the atrocious scorecards I've seen on here indicate and then lost to Provodnikov. I'm just wondering how this can be a great fight in their eyes just by using their own metrics.
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Originally Posted by smoothsmg
Exactly what i am saying. Some of these posters on here might say Bradley has lost 3 fights in a row, yet this is such a great fight. I think its more about just praising manny honestly.
Hmmmm, I see you like to make things up in your head and go with it. Neither myself or DeadLikeMe stated that Marquez beat bradley. Talk about a joke. WOW
Well Pac vs Bradley is a great fight, because in 3 fights Bradley has won decisions so if anything he has shown it is hard to outpoint him even if you clearly outpointed him.
Sure Pac beat Bradley 10 rounds to 2. So what? Bradley is Floyds future superfight, yet Pac is fighting Bradley now, so stop making excuses.
So you saying its a great fight for Floyd, yet cos the standards for Pac are so high its not a good fight for Pac.
Mayweather's fans first line of defence for their man is Pacquiao. :lol1:
Fan A: "Mayweather-Maidana is a sh*t fight."
Fl*mo: "B-b-b-b-but what about Brandon Rios?"
Fan B: "Man, Floyd is such a hypocritical little b*tch for requesting a catchweight."
Fl*mo: "B-b-b-b-but what about Pacquiao and Cotto?"
I hope you complained when Manny was #1 and he was fighting guys like Margarito, Old Mosley, David Diaz, Marquez, etc.
You know he didnt. Those were huge tough fights for Manny.
if you are the p4p champ, people expect you to fight the best. its all well and good fighting "champions" who have held 1 of the numerous titles for 5 minutes. malignaggi was a welterweight "champion" not long ago ffs!!!
the reality is that there is only 1 champion, and the rest are just contenders with belts. mayweather is the welterweight champion and until he gets beat or retires, to call any other welterweight a champion is BS.
mayweather is the champ, and the winner of pac bradley is the number 1 contender. therefore, if mayweather isnt fighting the number 1 contender, he isnt fighting the best.
I hope you complained when Manny was #1 and he was fighting guys like Margarito, Old Mosley, David Diaz, Marquez, etc.
Originally Posted by DeadLikeMe
Then additionally lost to Provodnikov according to many of the same posters. I'm sure plenty would have said he lost to JMM also except their hatred of JMM for KOing Pac seemingly outweighs their general enmity towards black fighters. Personally, I do think it is a good solid fight. Like you however, I am confused how people who spent a year or more talking about how Bradley was a feather-duster fraud can declare this a great fight? I mean, if he lost 11-1 or 10-2 to Pac like some of the atrocious scorecards I've seen on here indicate and then lost to Provodnikov. I'm just wondering how this can be a great fight in their eyes just by using their own metrics.
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Originally Posted by smoothsmg
Exactly what i am saying. Some of these posters on here might say Bradley has lost 3 fights in a row, yet this is such a great fight. I think its more about just praising manny honestly.
Bradley fought the wrong fight against Provodnikov. He wanted to show everyone that the Manny win was no fluke and so on .... when he boxed, he showed who was superior.
Then he smartened up and clearly beat Marquez ... even though you don't think so, which is a JOKE!
Hmmmm, I see you like to make things up in your head and go with it. Neither myself or DeadLikeMe stated that Marquez beat bradley. Talk about a joke. WOW
You are confused? Then why are you not confused about Floyd's cherry pick? Is it because you got used to it? It's nothing new?
Love how you avoided everything I said and turned it into something about Floyd. Yep Floyd cherrypicked Canelo, a person people said he would not fight, was undefeated, and the highest rated junior middleweight. If a fighter does not fight who YOU want him to fight, it does not mean he is cherry picking or ducking another fighter. YOU PEOPLE just throw out these asinine words/terms too much.
if you are the p4p champ, people expect you to fight the best. its all well and good fighting "champions" who have held 1 of the numerous titles for 5 minutes. malignaggi was a welterweight "champion" not long ago ffs!!!
the reality is that there is only 1 champion, and the rest are just contenders with belts. mayweather is the welterweight champion and until he gets beat or retires, to call any other welterweight a champion is BS.
mayweather is the champ, and the winner of pac bradley is the number 1 contender. therefore, if mayweather isnt fighting the number 1 contender, he isnt fighting the best.
Floyds so great he made JMM look like a sparring parter, and if hes so great why is he fighting a guy who lost to Pacs sparring partner.? Exactly, hes a cherry picker.
Marquez doesn't want a rematch.
Yawn with the sparring partner stuff.
Come up with better then that.
JMM put Pac to sleep and he wasnt even good enough to give Floyd a competitive sparring session.
Floyds so great he made JMM look like a sparring parter, and if hes so great why is he fighting a guy who lost to Pacs sparring partner.? Exactly, hes a cherry picker.
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