Cuauhtemoc1520's take on Canelo vs Angulo

First I was very disappointed with Figueroa and Molina being taken off the card. I thought those two would have made it worth while. Ricardo Alvarez vs Ya Yo Thompson Ricardo better thank god Figueroa hurt his writs because Figueroa would have hurt him. Terrible outing by him, overrated power and bad defense. I think Paulie said it best when he said Thompson can't miss. Linares vs Arakawa Linares looked good as always, faded a bit in the later rounds. Arakawa has no power so that helped Linares. Shame because if Arakawa had power, he would be one exciting fighter. Santa Cruz vs Mijares I thought Mijares used all of his experience to last in this fight. He was getting hit with some hard body shots, and was hurt late in the fight but he knows how to go the distance. Santa Cruz looked good, real good. I know some fans might not think so because he didn't get the KO but he dominated that fight easily against a very experienced fighter. Canelo vs Angulo There's a couple things I want to address here. First off, why was Angulo looking like he was throwing with no power. Well the answer to that is easy. When a fighter is faster, and pushing you backwards, they take that from you. It's the same reason fans didn't understand why Canelo wasn't doing this vs Mayweather. Angulo IMO was set up to make Canelo look good. Perfect style, no speed and the game plan against Angulo was ballsy and genius. Push him back, be the aggressor. Don't allow Angulo to come forward and be the bully. It worked and I thought Canelo looked very good. His speed was impressive, his defense has grown leaps and bounds since 2 years ago, and he can bang with the best of them. By the way, to those saying it was fixed are fukin idiots that need to stop watching boxing. I thought it was an EXCELLENT stoppage. With the heavyweight Russian going into a coma, boxing refs and officials I think will be more careful in allowing a fighter to take serious damage. Don't think I'm exaggerating when I say Tony Weeks might have saved Angulo's life, or at least his brain. He was being punished and not throwing anything in return. When a fight is competitive, then you let it go. When it's not, there's no reason to allow a fighter to take this amount of punishment. It's for nothing, he couldn't win and Canelo was literally toying with him at one point. Putting his hands down and standing in front of Angulo, slipping all his shots. Canelo will fight the winner of Martinez vs Cotto and that will bring big money. I also think he will fight Lara in the near future as well. Kid is talented and has a very bright future and the scary thing is, he's 23 years old. I believe Angulo is done. His career is on the line and I don't want to see him take punishment like this anymore. Love his character, style and heart but he might need to call it a career.

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It was a mismatch when signed. A poll on boxing times before the fight had 92% picking Canelo with 70% by stoppage. Everyone acting like it was a great win. Everyone saying how much Saul improved. Same fighter versus easier opposition. I don't know if you can say he's the same fighter. Maybe same as when he fought Mayweather but he has improved, especially on D. I agree, it was a mismatch and I wasn't to happy when they fight was announced. Good come back fight for him though and now we can see a big fight vs winner of Cotto v Martinez.

12y ago

atomicsad

12y ago

Doctor_Tenma4618

They don't follow boxing, that's the problem. They just want to yell fix or conspiracy because it's what the internet promotes. I re-watched that fight and Angulo was loading up on shots later on, he was trying to take Canelo's head off but was so out classed it was embarrassing. These idiots just take to the forums to troll, it's what their lives consist of and on a serious note. it's the reason I don't enjoy posting on NSB anymore. There's a hand full of people I enjoy talking boxing with but that's it. Everyone else is a fukin dumbass that clutters this place up with nonsense. It's sad because now I spend all my time in the lounge shooting the sh1t about other stuff. I know man but me personally, I keep coming back. I really hope it's trolling because....

12y ago

Holywarrior

Canelo's speed looked so good because Angulo is just that slow. Canelo's defense is also underrated. He had the perfect gameplan really and add that into his natural talent and Angulo was in for a long night. Angulo throwing the same pity pat shots that he did vs Lara. The thing is Lara would only cover up and let Angulo rip those -pat-pat power punch combinations without trying to counter back.

12y ago

Cuauhtmoc1520

No one is suggesting that, Canelo's ferocious body attack went well into the 4th round, he fully committed to it. Again, you didn't respond to me last time, go watch Angulo again because it seems you and a lot of other people don't know how to analyze his style. Angulo has always been a bit of an arm puncher but he'll mix in heavy leather if you decide to stay within his range. Canelo's approach was far more effective than Lara's, Canelo would counter in between Angulo's arm punches and he would push or smother Angulo. That's what made Angulo tentative, the body punching was simply the icing on the cake and Angulo had nothing else to offer. Look at Lara against the ropes when he faced Angulo, he shelled up, Canelo did no such thing and fought with his back to the ropes. This is what made Angulo's punches look more powerful because Lara allowed him to load up. Following boxing you would think one would understand these basics. They don't follow boxing, that's the problem. They just want to yell fix or conspiracy because it's what the internet promotes. I re-watched that fight and Angulo was loading up on shots later on, he was trying to take Canelo's head off but was so out classed it was embarrassing. These idiots just take to the forums to troll, it's what their lives consist of and on a serious note. it's the reason I don't enjoy posting on NSB anymore. There's a hand full of people I enjoy talking boxing with but that's it. Everyone else is a fukin dumbass that clutters this place up with nonsense. It's sad because now I spend all my time in the lounge shooting the sh1t about other stuff.

12y ago

Doctor_Tenma4618

so canelo landed one punch and angulo threw arm punches for the rest of the fight? makes no sense. comparing angulo's style to donaries? pretty sure donaire has always been a lay back and wait counter puncher and angulo has always been a come forward pressure fighter. you still haven't explained why angulo wasn't throwing punches properly, why he wasn't turning his hooks over, why he was hitting with the inside of the glove. because he was afraid to get hit? why would he throw at all then? a turned over left hook is the perfect punch to split a high guard yet angulo wasn't turning them over. even when he had canelo on the ropes with a high guard and was in no danger he was throwing arm punches and landing just with no power. it was a fix. No one is suggesting that, Canelo's ferocious body attack went well into the 4th round, he fully committed to it. Again, you didn't respond to me last time, go watch Angulo again because it seems you and a lot of other people don't know how to analyze his style. Angulo has always been a bit of an arm puncher but he'll mix in heavy leather if you decide to stay within his range. Canelo's approach was far more effective than Lara's, Canelo would counter in between Angulo's arm punches and he would push or smother Angulo. That's what made Angulo tentative, the body punching was simply the icing on the cake and Angulo had nothing else to offer. Look at Lara against the ropes when he faced Angulo, he shelled up, Canelo did no such thing and fought with his back to the ropes. This is what made Angulo's punches look more powerful because Lara allowed him to load up. Following boxing you would think one would understand these basics.

12y ago

Doctor_Tenma4618

Also, look at 2:20 of round Mosley vs Margarito, I only remember vaguely but I looked the youtube video now. Look at 2:20, Mosley lands a left hook that makes Margarito stumble back a little and look how his behavior changes after that. But for like the first 40 seconds of the round, Margarito was active and throwing. The left hook changed his mind about trading with Mosley. It was the beginning of the end since round 1 n that fight. Mosley's body punching against Marg was brutal as well. Look at Margarito's pity pat punches as the rounds go on, because of those body punches. I saw nothing different, extraordinary, or unusual in the Canelo-Angulo fight. It was a very similar fight to Mosley-Margarito. Great example Kev, how could I forget about that fight?!

12y ago

KING_MEAT

sorry but sharkeisha hit harder than angulo Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

12y ago

Cuauhtmoc1520

Respects Cuauhtémoc, I can agree with everything in your opening post except about the stoppage. Angulo was not getting hurt nor showing any signs of being in trouble. If getting hit was reason enough to stop a fight, Mayweather would be a ko artist. The Abdusalamov fight was a tragedy but I feel referees can't base all decisions on it. If so fights should be stopped before they start. Far too often we see referee's wave off fights prematurely and too often their standard reply is "better too early than too late". Though that is true, fighters are making a living at the sport of their choice, let them do it! Pacquiao was hitting Rios a lot more and with much harder punches than Canelo appears capable of and the referee let the Rios continue. Yes of course there is a risk but that is the nature of the game. Had the referee in the Pacquiao fight, Genaro Rodriguez, stopped the fight. I would probably have said the same thing even though he would have pointed out "better too early than too late", to which I would have said that that cliché would also apply if he stopped the fight during the introductions. Let me tell you why I disagree with you. If for example, you have a Gatti vs Ward type fight where both fighters are receiving incredible punishment, then it's part of the dangers of the sport. Either man could have ended up in a coma, and that's the type of results we have to live with in this sport. With Angulo though, he wasn't fighting back man. He was target practice, I re-watched the fight and the notion that it was fixed or that he was even competitive is absurd. The man was getting hit with clean shot after clean shot and wasn't responding. It was a one sided beating that doesn't need to go on because he's not showing that he can come back and win the fight. Even if in boxing you are one punch away, you have to show you are at least competitive. It was a great stoppage and with no exaggeration, Weeks might have saved Angulo's future. Past fights can't be taken in consideration because I think refs and boxing in general is more conscious of protecting fighters and they should be. We don't need to see a death on a major PPV, it would literally ruin boxing.

12y ago

TBear

Respects Cuauhtémoc, I can agree with everything in your opening post except about the stoppage. Angulo was not getting hurt nor showing any signs of being in trouble. If getting hit was reason enough to stop a fight, Mayweather would be a ko artist. With the heavyweight Russian going into a coma, boxing refs and officials I think will be more careful in allowing a fighter to take serious damage. Don't think I'm exaggerating when I say Tony Weeks might have saved Angulo's life, or at least his brain. The Abdusalamov fight was a tragedy but I feel referees can't base all decisions on it. If so fights should be stopped before they start. Far too often we see referee's wave off fights prematurely and too often their standard reply is "better too early than too late". Though that is true, fighters are making a living at the sport of their choice, let them do it! Pacquiao was hitting Rios a lot more and with much harder punches than Canelo appears capable of and the referee let the Rios continue. Yes of course there is a risk but that is the nature of the game. Had the referee in the Pacquiao fight, Genaro Rodriguez, stopped the fight. I would probably have said the same thing even though he would have pointed out "better too early than too late", to which I would have said that that cliché would also apply if he stopped the fight during the introductions.

12y ago

AWolf

Every trainer I talked to in every gym I frequented. The term "Toe to Toe" nobody was buying because they new that was the best way for Angulo to win. Yet that's exactly what Canelo did. Also, you contradicted yourself. You said that was the only thing he could do, yet you said he's not a come forward fighter? Which is it? Canelo can do more than just counter punch, he can fight going backwards forwards and eveywhere in between. He had no choice to do what he did vs Floyd because FLOYD dictated the pace, not him. That's what great fighters do. Contradict? I said he had no choice but to "engage." You're trying to put words in my mouth. Also, I disagree with your appraisal of Canelo's dynamic range. You say he can fight "anywhere" I think that couldn't be further from the truth. His future fights will prove which one of us is wrong.

12y ago

Kev

Alvarez/Trout probably was fixed from the judge's standpoint, considering two of them had declared the fight over after 8 dead-even rounds. You can join Daggum and I as well. Let me know what your username is. But I meant Mayweather-Canelo, not Trout-Canelo.

12y ago

Cuauhtmoc1520

Who? I didn't see anybody talking about him trying to box and move and if they had I would have assumed they have no clue what they're talking about. Canelo is extremely flat footed and incapable of fighting that way under pressure. That's ridiculous. How am I acting like he's a "come forward" fighter? That's the last thing Canelo is. If he was he would have given himself a much better chance of beating Mayweather and collapsed on him. Instead he stayed on the outside like a moron and tried to outbox a grandmaster like Floyd. I'll tell you how much of a "come forward" fighter he is; he can't come forward or doesn't know how. Every trainer I talked to in every gym I frequented. The term "Toe to Toe" nobody was buying because they knew that was the best way for Angulo to win. Yet that's exactly what Canelo did. Also, you contradicted yourself. You said that was the only thing he could do, yet you said he's not a come forward fighter? Which is it? Canelo can do more than just counter punch, he can fight going backwards forwards and eveywhere in between. He had no choice to do what he did vs Floyd because FLOYD dictated the pace, not him. That's what great fighters do.

12y ago

deejd

true he can talk out of his ass at points but he knows his stuff.. he is wrong alot though. but i think it is interesting, no i dont think canelo stamina is as big a problem as some play it out to be but i can see where they're coming from. the angulo fight he looked better and in good shape, the big argument was whether or not canelo was dropping his hands and rolling with punches as a sign of fatigue, or just being flashy It's amazing how his stamina issues are being 'over-emphasized' but he can't muster up the energy to make weight. He had trouble making '54 for Trout, he couldn't stand up at the weigh-ins for Mayweather, and he couldn't make the limit for Angulo. He was extremely effective bringing it to Angulo the first third of the fight and had he kept putting those combos on em, probably could have Kirkland him.... but started trying to get more distance as the fight wore on.

12y ago

deejd

With all due respect to that dude Dwyer, I saw two of his videos and he doens't know much about boxing. I think he gets most his info from places like this, and doesn't actually know a lot about the sport. I think this lack of stamina that Canelo has is way over done IMO. He could be in better shape, but he threw for 8 rounds hard and wasn't gassed. Only in the 9th and 10th did he really slow down, but because of his style, I don't think that's really going to affect him unless he faces a bigger pressure fighter. 160 is tough because Canelo is not a big 160 compared to some of the guys there. We will see, I just don't know how people just make these definitive statements when Canelo has grown leaps and bounds over the last 2 years and he's 23. I think that's the point that was being made. Canelo moves, but he gives his opponent plenty of opportunities to get theirs. Nobody will ever mistake Canelo for Mayweather, Rigo, or any boxer that can stick and move. I actually thought Alvarez was starting to gas in the 4th and 5th. Angulo was walking him down more from that point on whereas in the first three, Alvarez was trading and pushing him back more. Anyway, stamina is a real problem. Prime Martinez could stick and move. He was able to use his legs very well and never stand in one spot too long and if he did, he used great head movement and would change his levels. Could you imagine somebody like GGG who's able to apply effective pressure and continue walking downing naturally smaller/weaker opponents all while delivering offense of his own? Can canelo be champ at 160? Sure, it all depends on the matchmaking.

12y ago

deejd

I believe that the contract weight was no more than 168 on fight day, which Canelo made. That night I think Angulo actually out weighed Canelo at 174lbs if I'm not mistaken. I know Angulo was 174 on the unofficial scales against Lara, but I didn't see them post the weights going into the ring Saturday. Angulo looked pretty slender compared to what he usually does.

12y ago

AWolf

That's what most thought he would do. Don't you think for a counter puncher like Canelo that would have been the better option? You act as if Canelo is a come forward fighter, he's not. He will come forward and stop you if he has you hurt. but he's a counter puncher by trade. He had plenty of choices, he has the skills to do what he wants in there, especially when facing a limited fighter like Angulo. Who? I didn't see anybody talking about him trying to box and move and if they had I would have assumed they have no clue what they're talking about. Canelo is extremely flat footed and incapable of fighting that way under pressure. That's ridiculous. How am I acting like he's a "come forward" fighter? That's the last thing Canelo is. If he was he would have given himself a much better chance of beating Mayweather and collapsed on him. Instead he stayed on the outside like a moron and tried to outbox a grandmaster like Floyd. I'll tell you how much of a "come forward" fighter he is; he can't come forward or doesn't know how.

12y ago

sugarsmosley

With all due respect to that dude Dwyer, I saw two of his videos and he doens't know much about boxing. I think he gets most his info from places like this, and doesn't actually know a lot about the sport. I think this lack of stamina that Canelo has is way over done IMO. He could be in better shape, but he threw for 8 rounds hard and wasn't gassed. Only in the 9th and 10th did he really slow down, but because of his style, I don't think that's really going to affect him unless he faces a bigger pressure fighter. 160 is tough because Canelo is not a big 160 compared to some of the guys there. We will see, I just don't know how people just make these definitive statements when Canelo has grown leaps and bounds over the last 2 years and he's 23. true he can talk out of his ass at points but he knows his stuff.. he is wrong alot though. but i think it is interesting, no i dont think canelo stamina is as big a problem as some play it out to be but i can see where they're coming from. the angulo fight he looked better and in good shape, the big argument was whether or not canelo was dropping his hands and rolling with punches as a sign of fatigue, or just being flashy

12y ago

SplitSecond

canelo is turning into a beast, really starting to like this guy

12y ago

Cuauhtmoc1520

you should watch the newest vid from dwyer.. he makes interesting points and is pretty critical of canelo. he doesnt think he can be a champ at 160 because of his stamina and weight problems at such a young age With all due respect to that dude Dwyer, I saw two of his videos and he doens't know much about boxing. I think he gets most his info from places like this, and doesn't actually know a lot about the sport. I think this lack of stamina that Canelo has is way over done IMO. He could be in better shape, but he threw for 8 rounds hard and wasn't gassed. Only in the 9th and 10th did he really slow down, but because of his style, I don't think that's really going to affect him unless he faces a bigger pressure fighter. 160 is tough because Canelo is not a big 160 compared to some of the guys there. We will see, I just don't know how people just make these definitive statements when Canelo has grown leaps and bounds over the last 2 years and he's 23.

12y ago