Does Lomanchenko losing make Rigo look better ?

he needs to be 1000 times better than what he was the dude lost to the worst Salido anyone has ever seen. You trippin'... Do you even take your own words seriously? 1000x better? What happens when he gets a title in the next year? What will you say then?

Gentleman, its not so much the gloves, its the WRAPS Lomachenko in an interview which wasnt correctly translated to english said that in WSB the gloves are bigger and they use amateur style hand wrapping.

Lomachenko > Rigo IMHO Amazing performance with all the odds stacked against him in his second fight- multiple (over 20) low blows, headbutts and an absolutely imcompetent referee Big rigo fan but he probably gets KOd if he fought Salido in his second fight, IMHO I dont think either guy loosing makes the other guy look "good", but you are a man alone on an island,and what would happen to Lomachenko if he fought a p4p fighter in his 12th fight? Let's say for fun Guillermo Rigondeaux? How anyone see Lomachenko winning is beyond me unless Lomachenko gets his sh*t together big time it wouldn't even be competitive he needs to be 1000 times better than what he was the dude lost to the worst Salido anyone has ever seen. But if your argument is that he is better in your opinion even tho he would loose to Rigondeaux (right now pathetically so) that sir is baffling. Even if he got back on the hype track he would have to pull off a miracle to even be competitive by his 12th fight from how lost he looked. As dirty as Salido was Lomachenko had nothing his only hope was that chunky Salido would gas because he was not doing a damn thing.

Lomachenko > Rigo IMHO Amazing performance with all the odds stacked against him in his second fight- multiple (over 20) low blows, headbutts and an absolutely imcompetent referee Big rigo fan but he probably gets KOd if he fought Salido in his second fight, IMHO

No, I read right. You made contradictory statements, so I went with the gist of the argument and just focused on what I felt was important. Gloves that don't close tight are more of a hazard for the fighters' hands. If you can't make a tight fist, you can break your hand. I haven't seen any knockouts yet in the WSB. (I'm not saying they haven't happened, mind you.) It could be that the fighters can't make a good fist. Olympic boxing gloves don't weigh 8 ounces. Don't you think Lomachenko would know the difference? I've worked out with 16 oz gloves and didn't have a problem making a tight fist. I don't know why Vasyl is the only guy (that we know of) that complained about the gloves not closing, but the fact is that he did. Why would he say that if it weren't true? What was there to gain? Lomo was facing the kind of comp he's been beating at a 99.99% rate his entire amateur career. I'm sure he didn't see the point in doing that anymore. It's just not a true professional experience. When you have that kind of competition, and the gloves aren't exactly what's used in the pros, it's "semi-pro," as far as I'm concerned. The last time it appeared to me that a fighter couldn't fully close his gloves was a few days ago, with the Cuban Julio Cesar La Cruz versus the Azerbaijani Teymur Mammadov. It appeared to me that La Cruz wasn't closing his gloves, even to punch. And just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not happening. Salido missed weight by two pounds, gave up his title on the scales, and was a welterweight (147) on fight night. Is all that supposed to favor Lomo? Vasyl didn't win for a variety of reasons, not the least of which were Siri's toughness, incessant low-blows and Lomo's own inexperience. Even then, the fight was close. A faded Salido would've been tough for Rigo in his second fight. Today? "El Chacal" would embarrass him. don't sgree with any of this (and there was no knock outs in the WSB? ARE YOU SERIOUS?) anyway you win by default bro..gotta go and screw my wife......... :birthday:

Win or loose he doesn't have Rigo skill level! Does it take a loss for his bandwagon folks to fall off? He moved to quickly and he got what he earned, a tuff night with a pro who ruffed him up and made him back off! In the amatuers the very first thing your taught is to be "first with punches" and that carrys over to the pros but Salido took that away and the kid never got back on track. I saw a few early body shots that weren't announced as much but I know he got hurt a few times by the way he acted the rest of the round. He has skills and seems to have the desire but just like everyone else who makes the transition he needs time......................he thought his amatuer success was good enough. He was WRONG! I know there were low blows to the point of points should have been subtracted but that in mind still has him getting beat up. The pros fight&box the amatuers just box! His personal management didn't need to accept the weight difference but they did, another dumb move by amatuers! Ray.

wait wait wait.........i don't think you read that right (a boxing glove that you can't make a full fist with is considered hazardous & will quickly be deemed as faulty and thrown away) the closest thing that I've heard of that is the thumb thing in the Olympics. the problem is, if you're hit with an open glove it could injurer An eye. heres the real difference. lomachenko was fighting with 10 oz gloves in WSB compared with 8oz in his hbo debut..........of course that will feel tighter and more mobile to your fist then 10oz's. and show me one fight where 2 guys couldn't make a full fist in the WSB (in fact the only person who complained was lomachenko) i would post a video but anyone could pull up a WSB video and see that it's bullcrap. guys have their gloves fully closed.......... obviously lomachenkos fights in the WSB were professional fights (they just weren't accounted for) so he really had 7 or 8 fights going into the salido match, not his first professional fight.........and what makes a pro fight? the rules and lack of head gear. theres no such thing as "semi pro" it's ether the rules were closer to a professional bout or an amateur bout. and in this case they were pro fights............(pro fights that simply weren't accounted for No, I read right. You made contradictory statements, so I went with the gist of the argument and just focused on what I felt was important. Gloves that don't close tight are more of a hazard for the fighters' hands. If you can't make a tight fist, you can break your hand. I haven't seen any knockouts yet in the WSB. (I'm not saying they haven't happened, mind you.) It could be that the fighters can't make a good fist. Olympic boxing gloves don't weigh 8 ounces. Don't you think Lomachenko would know the difference? I've worked out with 16 oz gloves and didn't have a problem making a tight fist. I don't know why Vasyl is the only guy (that we know of) that complained about the gloves not closing, but the fact is that he did. Why would he say that if it weren't true? What was there to gain? Lomo was facing the kind of comp he's been beating at a 99.99% rate his entire amateur career. I'm sure he didn't see the point in doing that anymore. It's just not a true professional experience. When you have that kind of competition, and the gloves aren't exactly what's used in the pros, it's "semi-pro," as far as I'm concerned. The last time it appeared to me that a fighter couldn't fully close his gloves was a few days ago, with the Cuban Julio Cesar La Cruz versus the Azerbaijani Teymur Mammadov. It appeared to me that La Cruz wasn't closing his gloves, even to punch. And just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not happening. "Even Rigo wouldn't have looked so hot in his second pro fight" i honestly think salido has regressed greatly.....he's old, warn, and can't even make his weight anymore. this was a showcase fight for lomachenko. salido actually was complaining about getting down in weight...i don't even think he wanted this fight at 125. he warned that he would be dead at the weight and he could no longer make it.........what did arum say? f*ck you salido. you're gonna stay at 125 and be a stepping stone for my new future star.......so am i shocked that he missed the weight? NO. he's dead at 125.......after the micky fight he wanted to fight martinez at 130. the only reason he drained down again was because of arum and lomachenko demanding that it be at 125......... so in realty a aging saldio at 125 (a weight that he has to struggle with) is not all that impressive........in fact salido looked very sluggish. and last but not least, lomachenko didn't even win.......... Salido missed weight by two pounds, gave up his title on the scales, and was a welterweight (147) on fight night. Is all that supposed to favor Lomo? Vasyl didn't win for a variety of reasons, not the least of which were Siri's toughness, incessant low-blows and Lomo's own inexperience. Even then, the fight was close. A faded Salido would've been tough for Rigo in his second fight. Today? "El Chacal" would embarrass him.

I sparred regularly at one point. I've owned several different brands of gloves (Cleto Reyes, Everlast, Ringside, etc.) for different purposes: sparring, bag work, mitt work, etc. I never owned, or even saw a glove that I couldn't make a tight fist with. I'm pretty sure that Lomo was referring to gloves that were unlike anything I, or he, ever wore. Otherwise, why would he even mention it? If you watch those WSB fights, the boxers' hands never seem to make a fist. It's not true pro boxing. Okay, so you're not impressed. A lot of other people are. Who's right? Time will tell. I agree to the bold, and I also concur that Lomo obviously needs to work on his professional game. I'll also say that very few boxers could've performed like Vasyl did, against a guy like Salido, in only their second true pro bout. There were certainly flaws, but it was a nice outing...all things considered. I don't know what some people were expecting. Even Rigo wouldn't have looked so hot in his second pro fight. wait wait wait.........i don't think you read that right (a boxing glove that you can't make a full fist with is considered hazardous & will quickly be deemed as faulty and thrown away) the closest thing that I've heard of that is the thumb thing in the Olympics. the problem is, if you're hit with an open glove it could injurer An eye. heres the real difference. lomachenko was fighting with 10 oz gloves in WSB compared with 8oz in his hbo debut..........of course that will feel tighter and more mobile to your fist then 10oz's. and show me one fight where 2 guys couldn't make a full fist in the WSB (in fact the only person who complained was lomachenko) i would post a video but anyone could pull up a WSB video and see that it's bullcrap. guys have their gloves fully closed.......... obviously lomachenkos fights in the WSB were professional fights (they just weren't accounted for) so he really had 7 or 8 fights going into the salido match, not his 2nd professional fight.........and what makes a pro fight? the rules and lack of head gear. theres no such thing as "semi pro" it's ether the rules were closer to a professional bout or an amateur bout. and in this case they were pro fights............(pro fights that simply weren't accounted for) "Even Rigo wouldn't have looked so hot in his second pro fight" i honestly think salido has regressed greatly.....he's old, warn, and can't even make his weight anymore. this was a showcase fight for lomachenko. salido actually was complaining about getting down in weight...i don't even think he wanted this fight at 125. he warned that he would be dead at the weight and he could no longer make it.........what did arum say? f*ck you salido. you're gonna stay at 125 and be a stepping stone for my new future star.......so am i shocked that he missed the weight? NO. he's dead at 125.......after the micky fight he wanted to fight martinez at 130. the only reason he drained down again was because of arum and lomachenko demanding that it be at 125......... so in realty a aging saldio at 125 (a weight that he has to struggle with) is not all that impressive........in fact salido looked very sluggish. and last but not least, lomachenko didn't even win..........

I had Loma winning the fight regardless. It was a close fight, but Loma won IMO. Anyway, he will come back strong. He almost had Salido in the final round. Salido got lucky, dirty bastard he is.So to you only salido was fouling, how about the excesive holding right from the start by lomachenko? maybe salido hit him low because he was holding him too much...

Rigo would of schooled that dirty low blowing wanker, Salido would of been running about like the slow plodding idiot he is trying to hit Rigo on the nuts whenever he got the chance... Pathetic excuse for a professional fighter. I had thought the same, I wasn't counting the shots that were landing below the belt line so not only did Loma outclass him with regards of sportsmanship of not reacting back to Salido's thuggish cheating ways but he stayed classy and took him apart at range from the outside. Also noting the fact Salido never made weight and was at 147lbs night of the fight, Loma should of told him to **** off but he never and there is the pity corrupted boxing it was all staged to happen this way. I had Loma winning the fight regardless. It was a close fight, but Loma won IMO. Anyway, he will come back strong. He almost had Salido in the final round. Salido got lucky, dirty bastard he is.

No, Lomachenko losing does not make Rigo look better in anyway because it has nothing to do with him.

dude, i would argue that you're a bit naive............have you actually put on a pair of gloves (amateur, pro, what ever) obviously he meant that the gloves weren't wrapped as tight & aren't as tightly fitted as the ones in his hbo debut. (& honestly that becomes a nip pick) gloves that can't fully close is automatically hazardous and a danger to any fighter (regardless) I sparred regularly at one point. I've owned several different brands of gloves (Cleto Reyes, Everlast, Ringside, etc.) for different purposes: sparring, bag work, mitt work, etc. I never owned, or even saw a glove that I couldn't make a tight fist with. I'm pretty sure that Lomo was referring to gloves that were unlike anything I, or he, ever wore. Otherwise, why would he even mention it? If you watch those WSB fights, the boxers' hands never seem to make a fist. It's not true pro boxing. heres the problem.......i don't even see him as a "very good fighter" i see him as a average fighter who needs a lot of work to even be considered very good at this point. i see the foot speed the angles but it's useless without a jab, combos, & putting his punches together. you're not gonna make it long with shoe shining, clinching, and then rinse and repeating. he also has a low boxing iq....when something is not working any longer you shouldn't continue to rinse and repeat the same thing over and over again. thats what killed him........at this point i just don't see it....... Okay, so you're not impressed. A lot of other people are. Who's right? Time will tell. I agree to the bold, and I also concur that Lomo obviously needs to work on his professional game. I'll also say that very few boxers could've performed like Vasyl did, against a guy like Salido, in only their second true pro bout. There were certainly flaws, but it was a nice outing...all things considered. I don't know what some people were expecting. Even Rigo wouldn't have looked so hot in his second pro fight.

I put the term "semi-pro" in quotations because it's an invented term where boxing's concerned. I've watched a good number of WSB fights so far, and I think my invented term fits. Lomachenko has been quoted as saying that the gloves don't fully close. Does that sound like true pro boxing to you? I never said or implied that Lomo was a "special fighter." Where did you infer that? I think Vasyl is definitely a very good fighter with a lot of promise, and I'm far from alone. Maybe all of us that think so are wrong, but you're no closer to being proven right than we are. dude, i would argue that you're a bit naive............have you actually put on a pair of gloves (amateur, pro, what ever) obviously he meant that the gloves weren't wrapped as tight & aren't as tightly fitted as the ones in his hbo debut. (& honestly that becomes a nip pick) gloves that can't fully close is automatically hazardous and a danger to any fighter (regardless) heres the problem.......i don't even see him as a "very good fighter" i see him as a average fighter who needs a lot of work to even be considered very good at this point. i see the foot speed the angles but it's useless without a jab, combos, & putting his punches together. you're not gonna make it long with shoe shining, clinching, and then rinse and repeating. he also has a low boxing iq....when something is not working any longer you shouldn't continue to rinse and repeat the same thing over and over again. thats what killed him........at this point i just don't see it.......

the WSB is not semi pro...........when 2 guys make their debut in the pro ranks they usually match them against guys with similar records (2 0 3 0) their begginers.........the WSB would be just that. head gear is off and almost all of the rules are professional = a pro 5 rounder fight. the WSB is not semi pro (if theres even a such thing as "semi pro") I put the term "semi-pro" in quotations because it's an invented term where boxing's concerned. I've watched a good number of WSB fights so far, and I think my invented term fits. Lomachenko has been quoted as saying that the gloves don't fully close. Does that sound like true pro boxing to you? lomachenko in no way shape or form is a special fighter..........(maybe you've been following too much of his amateur career) he has too many bad habits. he fights entirely too much with his feet but forgets to put his punches together (jabs, combos) the guy came in with the tactic of keep salido at a distance & when he comes in/grab him and push away....he also does way too much shoe shinning (i swear if saldio was more quicker lomachenko would have gotten himself hurt) if he is to be special they would have to break him out of a lot of awful habits. I never said or implied that Lomo was a "special fighter." Where did you infer that? I think Vasyl is definitely a very good fighter with a lot of promise, and I'm far from alone. Maybe all of us that think so are wrong, but you're no closer to being proven right than we are.

No they both are talented they just tried to rush Lomanchencko and are still trying to rush him.

Rigo would've gotten knocked out if he fought Salido in his 2nd pro fight. Rigo would of schooled that dirty low blowing wanker, Salido would of been running about like the slow plodding idiot he is trying to hit Rigo on the nuts whenever he got the chance... Pathetic excuse for a professional fighter. Lomachenko got robbed of the victory. I had thought the same, I wasn't counting the shots that were landing below the belt line so not only did Loma outclass him with regards of sportsmanship of not reacting back to Salido's thuggish cheating ways but he stayed classy and took him apart at range from the outside. Also noting the fact Salido never made weight and was at 147lbs night of the fight, Loma should of told him to **** off but he never and there is the pity corrupted boxing it was all staged to happen this way.

Wether you want to believe it or not the comparisons were there to begin with. The two gold medals, the gaudy amateur records, the obvious talent/blinding speed. I know the revisionists will say its apples and oranges, they will also note that Loma's in a different space having only had 1 pro bout prior, which is debatable. But Loma was being touted by some as the next Rigo. Regardless of how the fight played out (ref,low blows,scoring etc...), do you feel seeing Loma having been "cut from the same cloth" as Rigo, struggling and losing, shows just how remarkable and how difficult it is to accomplish what Rigo did in under 10 fights (not counting Donaire). In other words is Loma's loss Rigo's win ? Lomo's loss showed the same thing Broner's loss did-that he wasn't ready to fight a larger, more experienced, power punching veteran.

Rigo looks about as good as he can, but like any fighter like him, he suffers for his own skillset. He needs to be more active and sit down on his punches more. If he did that, he would possibly be beatable but at the same time he would be immortal. Like Rjjr was.

Yeah that's one of the most annoying things which keeps getting repeated. Cordoba fight was really easy win. it wasn't a easy win but certainly not the a razor close fight that lomachenko fans are portraying.............people also forget that rigo was hit with a flash knock down (he stumbled over his feet in the process of falling) but the body shot that rigo hit cordoba with nearly ko'd him (he barely made it up from that body shot) and the judges had it so close because they were in texas. the people were just out for blood. they actually tried to rob rigo in texas but in realty he won the fight by a comfortable margin (the judges cards just don't reflect that because again.......it's texas)

The Cordoba fight was not difficult for Rigondeaux, stop spreading that lie. Yeah that's one of the most annoying things which keeps getting repeated. Cordoba fight was really easy win.