I'm convinced that Alfred Angulo is going to beat Canelo

*Ahem* I also called the majority draw for Canelo's last fight. Me=winning. Holy crap, good call! :lol1:

I'm sometimes baffled by predictions here. This is akin to when people were saying Márquez would get stopped by Pacquiao in their third match. I was convinced that he would beat or at the least look very good against Pacquiao. Then all of a sudden people were saying, "Wow, Marquez still has it." Well, duh. They just looked at his age, coupled with Pacquiao's crazy winning streak and assumed he would crumble like Cotto or De la Hoya or just go through the motions as Mosley and Clottey, never taking into consideration the styles. Is Angulo the biggest fighter Canelo's faced? Yes. Biggest puncher? Yes. But I can't help but question Angulo's mentality coming into this fight. He's had a fight where he was essentially getting outboxed by Lara (although to be fair, knocked him down twice), had JUST knocked Lara down and hurt him badly and then all of a sudden turned around and quit. Now before you say, "You would quit too if your eye swelled up like that." Yes, but at the very least wait for a clinch or fight to the end of the round; a round where Lara had been dropped. Angulo was outboxed by a fading Kermit Cintrón, punched himself out against Kirkland, and quit abruptly in a round where he had Lara hurt. And don't get me started on that eye; we don't know what its condition is. The only ballsy thing Angulo has done recently is decide to fight Canelo after something like that. Canelo's only flaws that will play into Angulo's hands is that he's shown hints of inactivity and has gone to the ropes occasionally (vs Floyd, Trout, Cintrón, Gómez). But when have you seen him fight and thought that he was tired to the point where it looked like he might be broken down? What's Canelo coming off of? A loss to Mayweather? He can look back on that and forgive himself. It was Mayweather, big deal. Canelo has decent punching power, especially to the body...and in combinations. And I hate to bring the comparison up, but...Alfredo does not have the relentlessness, chin, or heart of a fighter like, say...Margarito. Canelo will get tagged and Angulo is the bigger puncher, but when I stack up their attributes side by side, I fully expect Canelo to stop the battle worn Angulo somewhere in the 10th. I just hope it's a great fight regardless what happens. *Ahem* I also called the majority draw for Canelo's last fight. Me=winning.

Lara is a good counterpuncher, but he was unable to keep Perro off of him. It wasn't until Angulo felt something wrong with his eye that he gave in. I don't think Canelo will keep Alfredo at bay (if the same Angulo that fought Landy shows up), nor do I think that Alvarez moves quite as well as Lara, but I do agree that Saul's power might be just enough to make the difference. I see this fight as 60-40 for Canelo. I wouldn't like those odds for a bet. Yes but you just answered it when you said Canelo's power is the difference. Lara is a better mover than Canelo, but doesn't have the pop Canelo does. I think Angulo will not come in as he did vs Lara because he's going to feel Canelo's power. He can't keep him at bay all night, but don't think Angulo isn't taking a big risk by being as aggressive with Canelo as he was with Lara. Lara isn't the puncher Canelo is, especially going backwards all night long.

I am going for Angulo mostly because I like him better as a person. I think Perro stands a small chance against Canelo and there are a few things I feel work for Perro that I am seeing about Canelo and his team. I like the fact that Canelo is training in his garage for this fight and is too stubborn to add anything different to his camp after his fight with Mayweather went the way it did. I like the fact that Canelo's team had no Plan B or Plan C for Mayweather, it showed me how they react when things get tough in there. I like the fact that Canelo's brother is probably going to get his ass kicked by Sergio Thompson before Canelo has to get in the ring with Perro and he will have that on his mind. I liked that a 135 pound Jose Luis Cotto had Canelo badly rocked and I thought a smaller Alfonoso Gomez frustrated Canelo Alvarez when he put a percentage of the pressure on Canelo that Perro will be putting on him. I think Canelo is falling into his own hype and I really do think he has never fought a contender at the same level as Angulo. I have heard Gabriel Montoya report that Angulo is in excellent shape and I really enjoyed the way Angulo fought Lara, a fight that I gave him no chance at all to win a round so that shows me he is learning something from Virgil Hunter. I am praying we can really see that partnership pay off in the way the Maidana/Garcia partnership has in this fight. Yeah I agree with everything you posted. Canelo landed everything but the kitchen sink against Josesito Lopez and yes he dominated but there were spots were Lopez had Canelo on the ropes and landed at will. Canelo is not a warrior and his heart is really still not tested. Canelo has been bullying a lot of small fighters but this fight he will be fighting a true 154lb. who is tough and rugged also more hungrier than Canelo. I see Canelo getting stopped, this guy has been seriously overhyped and it will show against Angulo.

In boxing anything can happen but I don't see Angulo's pressure style being an advantage, rather a disadvantage. In boxing, one of the things a great counter puncher can do to stop the pressure, and punch count of his opponent is to counter him cleanly with shots. Canelo can touch Angulo and that will slow his output down. Much like Mayweather does to many of his opponents. Not saying Canelo is Mayweather but you know what I'm trying to say. There's a reason Canelo's people agreed to Angulo. First off the style fits Canelo well, and second, Angulo is a good name for a PPV. I think Angulo is dangerous, but in the end I see Canelo picking him apart and landing even harder shots than Lara was able to land. Lara is a good counterpuncher, but he was unable to keep Perro off of him. It wasn't until Angulo felt something wrong with his eye that he gave in. I don't think Canelo will keep Alfredo at bay (if the same Angulo that fought Landy shows up), nor do I think that Alvarez moves quite as well as Lara, but I do agree that Saul's power might be just enough to make the difference. I see this fight as 60-40 for Canelo. I wouldn't like those odds for a bet.

I'm pretty open to that understanding, though some may shun it as with specific fighters, their abilities cemented their place in this sport. I'm fully aware of corrupt judging(judges)/referees/promoters as there is a sh*tload of fights that display this. With fighters it's harder to measure... I'm honestly just looking at Floyd, Showtime, Golden Boy, and Al Haymon specifically. Of course Bob Arum is paying the judges. He did so, many times against Marquez. But they put on real fights not sparring matches ala WWE. I highly doubt Floyd's fight with Canelo was real. I doubt his fight with Ortiz was real. I doubt his fight with Guerrero was real and I didn't even watch that fight. I doubt his fight with Mosley was real. Heck up until now Golden Boy's own fight with Bernard Hopkins way back when, I extremely doubt was real. And Golden Boy expects me to believe that Floyd's fights are real? Just look at Canelo having a ppv fight against Angulo after losing to Floyd. Golden Boy wants to know if their money maker can pull off good numbers. That's all they care about, numbers and of course a win to keep their robbery going.

Canelo in trouble if he has no stamina by the championship rounds.

I'm sometimes baffled by predictions here. This is akin to when people were saying Márquez would get stopped by Pacquiao in their third match. I was convinced that he would beat or at the least look very good against Pacquiao. Then all of a sudden people were saying, "Wow, Marquez still has it." Well, duh. They just looked at his age, coupled with Pacquiao's crazy winning streak and assumed he would crumble like Cotto or De la Hoya or just go through the motions as Mosley and Clottey, never taking into consideration the styles. Is Angulo the biggest fighter Canelo's faced? Yes. Biggest puncher? Yes. But I can't help but question Angulo's mentality coming into this fight. He's had a fight where he was essentially getting outboxed by Lara (although to be fair, knocked him down twice), had JUST knocked Lara down and hurt him badly and then all of a sudden turned around and quit. Now before you say, "You would quit too if your eye swelled up like that." Yes, but at the very least wait for a clinch or fight to the end of the round; a round where Lara had been dropped. Angulo was outboxed by a fading Kermit Cintrón, punched himself out against Kirkland, and quit abruptly in a round where he had Lara hurt. And don't get me started on that eye; we don't know what its condition is. The only ballsy thing Angulo has done recently is decide to fight Canelo after something like that. Canelo's only flaws that will play into Angulo's hands is that he's shown hints of inactivity and has gone to the ropes occasionally (vs Floyd, Trout, Cintrón, Gómez). But when have you seen him fight and thought that he was tired to the point where it looked like he might be broken down? What's Canelo coming off of? A loss to Mayweather? He can look back on that and forgive himself. It was Mayweather, big deal. Canelo has decent punching power, especially to the body...and in combinations. And I hate to bring the comparison up, but...Alfredo does not have the relentlessness, chin, or heart of a fighter like, say...Margarito. Canelo will get tagged and Angulo is the bigger puncher, but when I stack up their attributes side by side, I fully expect Canelo to stop the battle worn Angulo somewhere in the 10th. I just hope it's a great fight regardless what happens. Very good post

Angulo has a great trainer and he has the style that can bring up Canelo's stamina issues. At time Trout was able to walk down Canelo and he seem to tire a bit..Angulo is more of a pressure fighter. Canelo throws explosive combinations and he always fights at one steady measured pace. His days at 154 are definitely numbered. Only concern for me is if Angulo's eye didn't heal up from the Lara bout. I know people are going to say well Angulo lost to Kirkland but those are 2 completely different styles. I don't make troll threads either. I truly believe Angulo will win and will have some money on the fight. In boxing anything can happen but I don't see Angulo's pressure style being an advantage, rather a disadvantage. In boxing, one of the things a great counter puncher can do to stop the pressure, and punch count of his opponent is to counter him cleanly with shots. Canelo can touch Angulo and that will slow his output down. Much like Mayweather does to many of his opponents. Not saying Canelo is Mayweather but you know what I'm trying to say. There's a reason Canelo's people agreed to Angulo. First off the style fits Canelo well, and second, Angulo is a good name for a PPV. I think Angulo is dangerous, but in the end I see Canelo picking him apart and landing even harder shots than Lara was able to land.

I am excited for this fight I am going for Angulo mostly because I like him better as a person. I think Perro stands a small chance against Canelo and there are a few things I feel work for Perro that I am seeing about Canelo and his team. I like the fact that Canelo is training in his garage for this fight and is too stubborn to add anything different to his camp after his fight with Mayweather went the way it did. I like the fact that Canelo's team had no Plan B or Plan C for Mayweather, it showed me how they react when things get tough in there. I like the fact that Canelo's brother is probably going to get his ass kicked by Sergio Thompson before Canelo has to get in the ring with Perro and he will have that on his mind. I liked that a 135 pound Jose Luis Cotto had Canelo badly rocked and I thought a smaller Alfonoso Gomez frustrated Canelo Alvarez when he put a percentage of the pressure on Canelo that Perro will be putting on him. I think Canelo is falling into his own hype and I really do think he has never fought a contender at the same level as Angulo. I have heard Gabriel Montoya report that Angulo is in excellent shape and I really enjoyed the way Angulo fought Lara, a fight that I gave him no chance at all to win a round so that shows me he is learning something from Virgil Hunter. I am praying we can really see that partnership pay off in the way the Maidana/Garcia partnership has in this fight.

I'm sometimes baffled by predictions here. This is akin to when people were saying Márquez would get stopped by Pacquiao in their third match. I was convinced that he would beat or at the least look very good against Pacquiao. Then all of a sudden people were saying, "Wow, Marquez still has it." Well, duh. They just looked at his age, coupled with Pacquiao's crazy winning streak and assumed he would crumble like Cotto or De la Hoya or just go through the motions as Mosley and Clottey, never taking into consideration the styles. Is Angulo the biggest fighter Canelo's faced? Yes. Biggest puncher? Yes. But I can't help but question Angulo's mentality coming into this fight. He's had a fight where he was essentially getting outboxed by Lara (although to be fair, knocked him down twice), had JUST knocked Lara down and hurt him badly and then all of a sudden turned around and quit. Now before you say, "You would quit too if your eye swelled up like that." Yes, but at the very least wait for a clinch or fight to the end of the round; a round where Lara had been dropped. Angulo was outboxed by a fading Kermit Cintrón, punched himself out against Kirkland, and quit abruptly in a round where he had Lara hurt. And don't get me started on that eye; we don't know what its condition is. The only ballsy thing Angulo has done recently is decide to fight Canelo after something like that. Canelo's only flaws that will play into Angulo's hands is that he's shown hints of inactivity and has gone to the ropes occasionally (vs Floyd, Trout, Cintrón, Gómez). But when have you seen him fight and thought that he was tired to the point where it looked like he might be broken down? What's Canelo coming off of? A loss to Mayweather? He can look back on that and forgive himself. It was Mayweather, big deal. Canelo has decent punching power, especially to the body...and in combinations. And I hate to bring the comparison up, but...Alfredo does not have the relentlessness, chin, or heart of a fighter like, say...Margarito. Canelo will get tagged and Angulo is the bigger puncher, but when I stack up their attributes side by side, I fully expect Canelo to stop the battle worn Angulo somewhere in the 10th. I just hope it's a great fight regardless what happens. Good post. The only thing I take issue with is the bold. Angulo was about as relentless as they come against Lara (until the eye thing, of course). Perro was non-stop versus Landy, and I'm not certain Canelo will be able to handle that kind of pressure. The way I see it, if Alfredo caught up to Lara, he'll catch up to Saul. But, again, it's styles. Canelo might just have enough on his side of the ledger to take this. My instinct says Alvarez wins, but my mind tells me Perro has a real shot. This will be a good fight.

I'm tempted to lay down money on this but if it goes to the cards I think they'll rob Angulo dont bet on angulo, canelo is a lock

no way canelo loses.

I'm tempted to lay down money on this but if it goes to the cards I think they'll rob Angulo

The hardest part is swallowing the pill. In time if you wake up you will understand fully that judges are paid, refs are paid and above all, fighters are paid to throw a fight. At the end of the day all that is left is money. What I'm saying is that at this point in time Canelo is 10x better, stronger, faster than Cotto. Showtime and Golden Boy are stealing everyone's money not by cherry picking fighters but by paying them extra to lose a fight. I'm pretty open to that understanding, though some may shun it as with specific fighters, their abilities cemented their place in this sport. I'm fully aware of corrupt judging(judges)/referees/promoters as there is a sh*tload of fights that display this. With fighters it's harder to measure...

would love nothing but to see the hypejob lose again............

I think we are in for a disappointing fight here. Something tells me some people know exactly how its going to end if you know what I mean. I hope I'm wrong as two boys kissing in church though!

I'm sometimes baffled by predictions here. This is akin to when people were saying Márquez would get stopped by Pacquiao in their third match. I was convinced that he would beat or at the least look very good against Pacquiao. Then all of a sudden people were saying, "Wow, Marquez still has it." Well, duh. They just looked at his age, coupled with Pacquiao's crazy winning streak and assumed he would crumble like Cotto or De la Hoya or just go through the motions as Mosley and Clottey, never taking into consideration the styles. Is Angulo the biggest fighter Canelo's faced? Yes. Biggest puncher? Yes. But I can't help but question Angulo's mentality coming into this fight. He's had a fight where he was essentially getting outboxed by Lara (although to be fair, knocked him down twice), had JUST knocked Lara down and hurt him badly and then all of a sudden turned around and quit. Now before you say, "You would quit too if your eye swelled up like that." Yes, but at the very least wait for a clinch or fight to the end of the round; a round where Lara had been dropped. Angulo was outboxed by a fading Kermit Cintrón, punched himself out against Kirkland, and quit abruptly in a round where he had Lara hurt. And don't get me started on that eye; we don't know what its condition is. The only ballsy thing Angulo has done recently is decide to fight Canelo after something like that. Canelo's only flaws that will play into Angulo's hands is that he's shown hints of inactivity and has gone to the ropes occasionally (vs Floyd, Trout, Cintrón, Gómez). But when have you seen him fight and thought that he was tired to the point where it looked like he might be broken down? What's Canelo coming off of? A loss to Mayweather? He can look back on that and forgive himself. It was Mayweather, big deal. Canelo has decent punching power, especially to the body...and in combinations. And I hate to bring the comparison up, but...Alfredo does not have the relentlessness, chin, or heart of a fighter like, say...Margarito. Canelo will get tagged and Angulo is the bigger puncher, but when I stack up their attributes side by side, I fully expect Canelo to stop the battle worn Angulo somewhere in the 10th. I just hope it's a great fight regardless what happens.

:rofl: Canelo will dominate Angulo. He has no business in the ring with Canelo. Watch. Going to get his ass toasted.

The closer this fight gets the more I wonder if I'm doing the same thing I did before Maidana/Broner, and just assuming Alvarez is capable of things he's never done before. I've never seen him move and box like he will need to against Angulo. If Alvarez can't hurt Angulo, he's in for a long night.