like they do these days with miguel vasquez and rigondeaux ? for being too cautious or boring.or were they revered,respected,and applauded for their talent ? i feel like this is a modern day thing.am i wrong ?
I don't see running as a skill in boxing. It just shows lack of versatility like not being able to fight in close distances. On the other hand, moving forward is just as difficult. Look at Trout vs Lara. He was forced to come out of his comfort zone and chased Lara. Nothing will happen if he fought like Lara. They have the same style. The one that blinked lost the fight.
Trout looked so awkward chasing Lara. It's not his style, but what can he do? The opponent just won't stop running. If he won't do it, they'd get even more booed mercilessly. Poor guy.
Call me crazy but I appreciate all boxing styles.. It doesn't always have to be about rock'em sock'em robots.. The interest in how one style matches up against another. And how styles make fights... And the appreciation of pure boxing skills.. yeah I know CRAZY right?....
I don't see running as a skill in boxing. It just shows lack of versatility like not being able to fight in close distances. On the other hand, moving forward is just as difficult. Look at Trout vs Lara. He was forced to come out of his comfort zone and chased Lara. Nothing will happen if he fought like Lara. They have the same style. The one that blinked lost the fight.
Ain't nobody want to see cowards running around in circles in what is supposed to be a "fight". Why would I want to watch a sissy retreat away from combat and try to avoid it? Seriously. The boos are well deserved. I don't turn on the TV to get bored, I watch to get entertained.
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can you imagine paying $70 and all you see is a fighter running like a scorned bitch with a swollen pussy!
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The boos are the same as it is today, mainly, because we humans are born hunters; it's in out genes, so we tend to appreciate pressure fighters more than the runner or safety type of boxers.
But fear not; the trend of fight results is changing nowadays.
Back in the day, it's difficult to win decision if you're a pure boxer, close decisions almost always favors pressure fighters, even to the point of robbery; pressure fighters always has the advantage. But, today, it's the other way around, almost all close decisions and robbery favors pure boxers. So those who appreciate the sweet science of pure boxing can really really breathe easy on decision ending fights.
Referees used to disqualify fighters for a "non-effort." Guys like Rigondeaux and Vazquez are fortunate enough to compete in such a weak, piss-poor era where fighters are mollycoddled.
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Clear example of a clueless clodge that doesn't have the slightest f*cking clue on what he's talking about.
Yes yes, this weak comp Rigo and Vazquez have faced is ridiculous and insulting.
The ref should have stopped Rigo-Donaire in RD 1. This piss-poor era I tell you! :stickp4:
Its not new. Paying customers have alway's booed or not been fond of fighters who stink the place out. You pay to see a fight then you wanna see a fight! Its never been any different.
Referees used to disqualify fighters for a "non-effort." Guys like Rigondeaux and Vazquez are fortunate enough to compete in such a weak, piss-poor era where fighters are mollycoddled.
to a certain degree but not like today. back in the day more fans understood the sport and appreciated it for what it is. intelligent and skillful fighters were appreciated for their abilities by most people and the ones who didnt like it were at the very least smart enough not to buy a ticket knowing the style of the fighter.
its hilarious to me when people pay for a fight knowing damn well the guy fighting is a technician, then they complain afterwards like they got robbed of their money. might as well go to the store, buy some milk then storm in the place 15min later furious its not a loaf of bread.
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Clear example of a clueless clodge that doesn't have the slightest f*cking clue on what he's talking about.
Ain't nobody want to see cowards running around in circles in what is supposed to be a "fight". Why would I want to watch a sissy retreat away from combat and try to avoid it? Seriously. The boos are well deserved. I don't turn on the TV to get bored, I watch to get entertained.
to a certain degree but not like today. back in the day more fans understood the sport and appreciated it for what it is. intelligent and skillful fighters were appreciated for their abilities by most people and the ones who didnt like it were at the very least smart enough not to buy a ticket knowing the style of the fighter.
its hilarious to me when people pay for a fight knowing damn well the guy fighting is a technician, then they complain afterwards like they got robbed of their money. might as well go to the store, buy some milk then storm in the place 15min later furious its not a loaf of bread.
This is not true, if anything fans are more tolerant of boring fighters today that they were in the past. Indeed it was difficult to sell tickets and get good fights in the past if you were dull, it is a lot easier now. Also in the past fights would get stopped if there was little action, that rarely if ever happens anymore. One of the Holman Williams-Charley Burley fights was stopped by the referee for inactivity. In the first few decades of the 20th century it was particularly common. In the past just like today most fight fans want to see slugfests.
like they do these days with miguel vasquez and rigondeaux ? for being too cautious or boring.or were they revered,respected,and applauded for their talent ? i feel like this is a modern day thing.am i wrong ?
Fans always want entertainment and there is no reason for what is now known as a "pure boxer" not to be entertaining. Rigondeaux got the booes he did because he failed to step on the gas and stop a completely outclassed opponent or at the very least, try to stop him.
The bigger point you raise is this issue of what is now known as a pure boxer. Someone who jabs, stays on the backfoot and fails to engage his opponent in meaningful exchanges, thus boring the crowds. As I was growing up, a tonne of great fighters were known as great "boxers" and they all had varying styles. Ali was fleet footed and elusive but could engage in a dogfight, the greatest all round fighter I have ever seen, with Leonard a close second. Duran was always considered a great boxer and technician but nowadays the same accolade is not laid upon Pacquiao who I think is the only fighter since Duran to come close to that same level of aggressive supremacy and defensive nuance.
A "pure boxer" is a term that shouldn't really exist, what is a pure boxer? Why is aggressive, entertaining way of fighting not viewed as boxing compared to a defensive fighter? They are both different sides of the same coin.
Yup, now a days people are disrespectful to those who move like a prime Sweet Pea like Vazquez, Molina, Mikey, Canelo and so fourth. They just want action and don't appreciate the technical side of things.
They booed Bill Richmond when he fought Tom Cribb in the early 19th century because he actually used footwork.
Imagine that being booed for moving around and not standing in one spot all night.
So fans are a lot more appreciative and patient now.
I think Bill Richmond being black might have had something to do with it as well.
like they do these days with miguel vasquez and rigondeaux ? for being too cautious or boring.or were they revered,respected,and applauded for their talent ? i feel like this is a modern day thing.am i wrong ?
Back in the day Pure Boxers didn't hide from fighters by retiring, or wait for them to age or become damage goods they didn't ask for catch weights to drain a fighter. That is why they weren't boo'd
It really didn't happen often, fighters just didn't have that kind of style, and the idea of going into a fight and not really trying to demolish the other guy just wasn't something fights did for the most part.
Look at all the greats from those times, they all fight, they all try to inflict pain. You'll find very few greats in the old dAys who didn't.
I personally think boxing rules are long overdue for a overhaul. A guy like Hopkins should not be allowed to throw a punch at a time, and grab immediately. Grabbing is suppose to be only for when your hurt.
to a certain degree but not like today. back in the day more fans understood the sport and appreciated it for what it is. intelligent and skillful fighters were appreciated for their abilities by most people and the ones who didnt like it were at the very least smart enough not to buy a ticket knowing the style of the fighter.
its hilarious to me when people pay for a fight knowing damn well the guy fighting is a technician, then they complain afterwards like they got robbed of their money. might as well go to the store, buy some milk then storm in the place 15min later furious its not a loaf of bread.