Cotto v. Martinez' resume and vice versa

Trout has sparred with sergio and I guess he told his manager (after the sparring session) "Get me in the ring with this guy"

I've been seeing some posters say Cotto is leagues ahead of Pavlik, Williams, and Chavez (even at 160); and that he also hits harder than any opponent Sergio has fought so far. I'd like to see some of those people make their case in this thread? :boxing:

Here's how I think it would go: Cotto (2014): I think size diff. and physical strength would play a huge role in these matches Cotto v. Pavlik (2010): TKO8 Pavlik Cotto v. Williams (2010): UD Williams Cotto v. Dzinziruk (2011): MD Dzinziruk Cotto v. Barker (2011): UD Barker Cotto v. Macklin (2012): MD Macklin Cotto v. Chavez Jr. (2012): UD or late TKO (10-12) Chavez Cotto v. Murray (2013): MD Murray Martinez (2014) at 159: Martinez v. Foreman (2010): TKO6 Martinez Martinez v. Mayorga (2011): TKO7 Martinez Martinez v. Margarito (2011): TKO8 (doctor stoppage) Martinez Martinez v. Mayweather (2012): MD/SD/late TKO (10-12) Martinez or Mayweather MD Martinez v. Trout (2012): UD/late TKO(10-12) Martinez Martinez v. Rodriguez (2013): TKO3 Martinez What do you guys think?

I was with you all the way up until that last statement. When are NSB posters going to get it through their thick skulls that divisions are weight ranges. Anything from 155-160 is an official MW fight.That's the way you see it. I will never look at it that way. There is a top limit in all weight classes and the fighters are allowed to weigh up to that limit. They can weigh lighter than the limit if they chose to but they should not be forced to weigh even one ounce less than the traditional weight limit for that class if a world title is on the line.Why even bother to have a weight limit if the challenger can lower it at will? What you are saying is that if Cotto wins he could continue on as middleweight champion but make all his title defenses at a top weight of 155 pounds. That's BS. Either the middleweight limit is 160 or it isn't. I say it is and has been for the last 100 years. Robinson, Armstrong, Griffith, Duran and the other greats always fought the heavier champion at the full top weight. Only Leonard used that catchweight bullsh*t to beat bigger men. I don't recognize any fighter as the champion if they won the title at a catchweight. That goes for Mayweather's win over Canelo and Pacquiao's wins over Cotto and Margarito. According to you a smaller fighter could win the middleweight championship of the world with a weight limit of 155 pounds. That might be fine for you but I will never accept that. If the weight limit is less than 160 then it's not a middleweight title fight in my opinion.

Martinez is bigger and stronger than Cotto. And of course he is bigger than his former opponents. A prime Martinez would have defeated all the past rivals of Cotto easily, except for Mayweather. (wich I think he would have been the favourite too) Cotto is just to small to fight Martinez`s former opponents, can anybody imagine a fight between Cotto and Chavez Jr? So I don´t think this comparison is fair. Just as you could say Cotto is 'welterweight,' you can say Martinez is a JMW since that's where he campaigned most of his career. I think Cotto has spent about as much time at 154 as Martinez has at 160 and like Martinez, I don't think he could make his former weight easily at this point. Further, if Cotto beats Martinez, he will become the lineal middleweight champion of the world. Therefore, I think it is fair to wonder how a middleweight Cotto (who may or my not become the 160 champ) would fair against his opponent's former middleweight rivals. On the other side, Martinez fought most of his career at JMW and could have possibly faced many of the same opponents Cotto faced as a JMW. So I think it's an interesting question to ask.

I don't see how you can compare. How do you think Cotto would do against a series of middleweights?

Pointless comparison. Cotto is a welterweight. And a blown-up 154lb-er. I mean Chavez Jr is a light-heavy. Pavlik has boxed at light-heavy. Be real man. Martinez is cashing out because he knows Golovkin is a tougher fight with less financial reward.

Martinez is bigger and stronger than Cotto. And of course he is bigger than his former opponents. A prime Martinez would have defeated all the past rivals of Cotto easily, except for Mayweather. (wich I think he would have been the favourite too) Cotto is just to small to fight Martinez`s former opponents, can anybody imagine a fight between Cotto and Chavez Jr? So I don´t think this comparison is fair.

The middleweights that Martinez fought would all beat Cotto and most of them would knock Cotto out. Martinez would beat all the guys Cotto fought and only Trout and Mayweather would have a chance to go the the whole 12 rounds. Martinez will probably knock Cotto out. Cotto has done nothing to deserve a title shot at 160. He never beat a middleweight and he lost two of his last three fights at Jr. middleweight. It's just a stunt fight for Cotto to say he won a title at a higher weight.If Cotto wins he will drop back down to 154 anyway. Who ever wins they won't fight GGG who I think is by far the best middleweight alive. The fight is at a I was with you all the way up until that last statement. When are NSB posters going to get it through their thick skulls that divisions are weight ranges. Anything from 155-160 is an official MW fight.

Martinez beats all Cotto's JMW foes except Floyd, and Cotto gets thrashed by all of Martinez' MW opponents

The middleweights that Martinez fought would all beat Cotto and most of them would knock Cotto out. Martinez would beat all the guys Cotto fought and only Trout and Mayweather would have a chance to go the the whole 12 rounds. Martinez will probably knock Cotto out. Cotto has done nothing to deserve a title shot at 160. He never beat a middleweight and he lost two of his last three fights at Jr. middleweight. It's just a stunt fight for Cotto to say he won a title at a higher weight.If Cotto wins he will drop back down to 154 anyway. Who ever wins they won't fight GGG who I think is by far the best middleweight alive. The fight is at a catch weight of 159 anyway so it's not even a real middleweight fight.

Cotto would lose to all those guys, but it doesn't mean much because they were all big or at least average sized middleweights in their prime, whereas Cotto is a small jr. middleweight, and was already past his best in 2010. (I know Dzinziruk moved up in weight to fight Martinez, but he was a very tall and rangy jr. middleweight, and didn't look blown up at all at 160.) The 2012 version of Martinez vs Floyd is a 50-50 fight imo, but Sergio would easily beat everyone else you listed. That's a very interesting way of viewing things - IMO, it solidifies how effective Martinez has been and how much he's done. It was always my opinion, outside of Lara, Martinez (healthy) would have the ability to give Mayweather his first loss. Martinez arguably would be able to handle all opposition you listed - this includes the rematch with Margarito at that stage. On the other hand, Cotto would have some difficulty with some of the fighters. While Cotto has been such a great fighter technically and vicserally, his size/height would be a disadvantage in many of those matches.

Cotto would lose to all those guys, but it doesn't mean much because they were all big or at least average sized middleweights in their prime, whereas Cotto is a small jr. middleweight, and was already past his best in 2010. (I know Dzinziruk moved up in weight to fight Martinez, but he was a very tall and rangy jr. middleweight, and didn't look blown up at all at 160.) The 2012 version of Martinez vs Floyd is a 50-50 fight imo, but Sergio would easily beat everyone else you listed.