Can we all stop blaming Bob Arum now?

Arum was always at fault. Check this ridiculous video out starting at 1 minutes in

lets not talk about fighting "on even terms" when discussing pac or floyd...because id could say "floyd fought oscar and cotto" on "even terms"....but i wont even go there the floyd/jmm plays out that way 100 times out of 100....and when floyd dusted marquez everyone claimed "oh marquez cant go that high and be effective....he doesnt belong there".....yet jmm disproved that.....so who cares if marquez jumped up ...thats what he had to do to get the fight... same way oscar had go get back to 147 to make a pac fight......did oscar really "belong" at 147? nah not really.....if floyd fought the jmm that knocked pac out....it would play out exactly the same....so theres "quality" if you ask me....as far as canelo....it was considered the best fight/challenge out there for floyd at the time....not just financially....but people wanted to see it....thats why it was a financial success....people were calling for it....maybe you have a different opinion on canelo than others...and thats fine...or maybe it changed after floyd made him look very average(its ok...he does that to alot of world class guys) Totally agree. Floyd beats Marquez in every universe. About your comparison...remember Oscar went down one division to fight Pac, but Manny went up two division. Marquez made all the sacrifice in his fight against Floyd. And no. I bought the pvv and was rooting for Floyd against Canelo. I even tweeted "Boxing ignorance: To believe @canelooficial has a chance of beating Floyd" I'm not a fanboy. I say it like it is. Only weekend fans believed Canelo was a treat to Floyd.

floyd dusted jmm(didnt need 4 chances to beat him convincingly)....he beat cotto at 154......he cant fight bradley cuz arum wont let him near floyd...kinda like he wouldnt let pac near him......despite what you may think of canelo or where he was ranked p4p...you cant tell me that wasnt prob the best fight floyd could have made.....people wanted to see it..... Financially yes... Canelo vs Floyd was big. But let's not even talk about quality. And Floyd brought Marquez from 130 to a 144 catchweight. He didn't make weight. Pacquiao fought Marquez on even terms. Marquez deserves all the credit. Some people were arguing about Pac/Marquez IV.... and we got 2012 Fight of the Year, and 2012 KO of the years. One of the greatest fights in boxing history. Which proves my point about quality.

Yea Bobs a liar, but hey Bob put pacquiao in with De La Hoya while he was still green. Pac was his future n he was risking it with that de la hoya fight. De la hoya was still a bigger star than both floyd n pac at the time. Yea he was old but he was still the bigger man n pac never fought anyone that big before de la hoya. So i dont understand why in the world bob would be afraid to put pac in with mayweather when pacquiao has already lost before even before that marquez ko? Bob knows pac has everything to gain by beating may with no risks, but mayweather is the one with everything to lose and high risk Manny was not that green when he fought Oscar. Had Manny been on that big of stage, No, but the risk reward of fighting Oscar at 147lbs. was too big to pass up. Plus, Roach had trained Oscar. He knew what Oscar had left and said so in many interviews prior and after the fight. Why would Bob be afraid? Just watch any JMM/Manny fight. Come on!! And nothing to lose if Manny lost to FMJ? They fight in the same weight division. Losing to FMJ kills all of Manny's momentum and hype because he cannot beat the best in his own division plus Manny cannot move up to 154. I agree FMJ had more to lose(perception), but stylistically(match-up wise) Manny does not pose the same threat to me that FMJ posed to Manny. Roach is on record stating FMJ would be their toughest opponent and how he needed Manny to see things a certain way when he fought FMJ. Marquez has always been the Mayweather test. Sadly, Roach is still waiting for Manny to pass. No one ever talks about how much of a threat FMJ is to Manny. He was and is a huge threat to MP and Bob Arum knew it. If Bob thought Manny even had a 50/50 shot to win the fight would have happened in 2010.

dude i appreciate debating with you....you seem level headed and not like some of the others who simply put words in my mouth like this guy only reading one quote thinking i blame arum and pac for the oscar fight or something....which i didnt do.... in all honesty...ya floyd said no 50-50....if you want to fight me heres how its gonna be....and in reality floyd has earned that right...at least in my eyes....prob not in everyone elses.....back when pac had his right to 50 percent of the pie he ran away saying he wouldnt do a 14 day cutoff date...that he wanted 24 days.....since that failed negotiation pacs star has fallen...and floyd continues to be the top earner in the sport.....so when floyd says this is what you get....then take it or leave it....now you have manny pac practically begging for the fight "lets fight for free...lets fight for charity".....yet 40 mil wasnt good enough not too long ago....now youll fight fight for charity lol.....dont you think by now floyd is a bit jaded with trying to get this fight done? dont you think hes a bit tired of arums bull****? his antics? pulling out of a fight negotiation to fight clottey....then all the other bs he throws out there....the countdown clock....the cut problem...the stadium needs to be built....the "i dont even know who to call"..... Some fair points. Still, IMHO Floyd's selection of opponents are the key for him being in the top. Pacquiao "lost" against Bradley in a fight considered as one of the biggest robberies in boxing history. Bradley was a top 10 P4P. Then he was ko'D by JMM. A top 4 pound for pound. Guerrero wasn't even a top 15 pound for pound. Canelo's win vs Trout was his only win against a legit 154 pounder. Besides he wasn't a top 20 pound for pound for real boxing fans. Pacquiao is fighting Bradley again in a very risky fight that many thinks he might lose. Floyd is heading to fight Khan. Here you see the difference between quality of opposition.

The boded section was a lie. Sadly you began your statements with it is good for you to tell it straight. Next time, why don't you tell it straight. Report after report stated testing was a part of the original contract. As for Arum, why would anyone stop blaming Arum for scuttling the fight? 2 occasions should be enough for anyone to see that Arum did not want to put Manny in the ring with FMJ. The first set of negotiations and the the debacle before FMJ went to jail was hilarious. Lastly, Bob Arum runs the show. Manny is a employee who states time after time in every post fight interview that he does not pick his opponents. Should I blame Manny for the fight not happening? Roach was damn near begging for Bob Arum to do the right thing after the Rios fight. So of course not, I do not blame Manny or his team. I blame Bob Arum because he is in charge. Bob Arum scuttled the first negotiation and proved without a shadow of a doubt that he did not want to put Manny in there with FMJ before he went to jail. Manny's cut will not heal and we need a new stadium, Really!!!! Is that telling it straight? Yea Bobs a liar, but hey Bob put pacquiao in with De La Hoya while he was still green. Pac was his future n he was risking it with that de la hoya fight. De la hoya was still a bigger star than both floyd n pac at the time. Yea he was old but he was still the bigger man n pac never fought anyone that big before de la hoya. So i dont understand why in the world bob would be afraid to put pac in with mayweather when pacquiao has already lost before even before that marquez ko? Bob knows pac has everything to gain by beating may with no risks, but mayweather is the one with everything to lose and high risk

Good for you to tell it straight. And it could be added that when the contract conditions were almost all agreed, at the very end, Mayweather sprung his 'testing' demand..... That timing is suspicious in itself, guaranteed to scuttle the fight, seeing that it was MannyP who was the big draw in this proposed fight. And..... there have been strong reports that Mayweather himself has failed testing multiple times and by virtue of a little flaw in the rules, or a small extra clause in his agreement with the testing authorities, (or otherwise) has been able to prevent the results from being made public. I am almost convinced that Mayweather's sudden emergence as a fully fledged welterweight bulging with muscles, is suspicious in itself. He looks like a miniature Hopkins, who has never accepted special testing, and his long intervals between fights allows him to get any illegal drugs out of his system without being caught. But as we have heard, he failed testing several times....... The boded section was a lie. Sadly you began your statements with it is good for you to tell it straight. Next time, why don't you tell it straight. Report after report stated testing was a part of the original contract. As for Arum, why would anyone stop blaming Arum for scuttling the fight? 2 occasions should be enough for anyone to see that Arum did not want to put Manny in the ring with FMJ. The first set of negotiations and the the debacle before FMJ went to jail was hilarious. Lastly, Bob Arum runs the show. Manny is a employee who states time after time in every post fight interview that he does not pick his opponents. Should I blame Manny for the fight not happening? Roach was damn near begging for Bob Arum to do the right thing after the Rios fight. So of course not, I do not blame Manny or his team. I blame Bob Arum because he is in charge. Bob Arum scuttled the first negotiation and proved without a shadow of a doubt that he did not want to put Manny in there with FMJ before he went to jail. Manny's cut will not heal and we need a new stadium, Really!!!! Is that telling it straight?

"you guys"? when did i say something like that??? yes oscar wanted a pac fight....that was the big fight he wanted to make and 147 was where he had to go to get it done....i agree...not pacs fault.....but arum can do business with them when hes fighting an old fighter that hes draining....but when it comes to floyd its a different story.... one guy is in this thread saying "oscar tried to cherrypick manny"....then we have you saying "oscar presented manny with the biggest fight of his career"......which one is it? Maybe both. It was Manny's biggest fight and some people said Oscar tried to cherrypick Manny. http://www.boxingscene.com/boxingscene-staff-predictions-de-la-hoya-vs-pacquiao--17315 Guerrero's fight against Floyd was the biggest of his career... But that doesn't mean he had a chance of winning. BTW dude... I was very suspicious about Pac when the first negotiations fell... but then i saw the "40 MM no ppv revenues. No 50-50. Not business with Arum" That wasn't problem in the first negotiations, but then Pacquiao agrees to drug testing and Floyd brings those new excuses.

ahhh reports...weve "heard"...its nice to use hearsay when it fits your stance I'm not certain but I believe that it was Thomas Hauser, probably the best boxing writer of this generation, who published 2 extremely detailed and convincing long essays about the 3 A Mayweather failed drug tests which were not made public because of a cushy arrangement that Golden Balls has with the testing company. Below is a very small excerpt from Hauser's research, which was on Maxboxing. You can read the rest of it -if you are interested. “Mayweather is not doing Olympic-style testing,” Conte states. “I’ve never liked the use of that phrase. ‘Olympic’ means 24-7-365. To be effective, drug testing has to be 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. The benefits that an athlete retains from using anabolic steroids and certain other PEDs carry over for months. That means athletes can develop their strength and speed base early and the benefits of PED use will last after that use has been discontinued. If you wait to start testing until eight to 10 weeks in advance of a fight, which is what Mayweather does, that’s not Olympic-style testing. Who knows what Mayweather or his opponent has been doing during the previous six months?” Since I see that you can-although selectively- read, why not read about it ? Good Bye.

ya ya ....wahhhh....ive read about it...also heard he blames blisters on his feet, because he had the wrong socks, for bad performances too...lol "What if they fought and Manny started bleeding on the first punch?" a clearly flustered Arum said. "I don't know if Manny is available to fight in May. I have no idea. I haven't talked to him; I haven't seen him. Seems to me, June is more likely based on what his plastic surgeon said." Arum threw out another "reason" (or excuse, as far as I'm concerned) not to try to make Pacquiao-Mayweather for May 5. "I don't even know if Mayweather will be licensed before he serves his time," Arum said. I saw Pacquiao musing about his loss on the video, which I have. As for the Arum quotes, what do you find wrong with them? Pacquiao and Arum live a 16 hour flight apart, and see one another only rarely, and when necessary. As for the "bleeding" quote, either you're just trying to make malicious mischief, or you're a bit "short of the full dollar". Pacquiao was badly cut over his eye. The cut was attended to by his surgeon immediately after the fight, in his dressing room. I believe that the surgery took over an hour. The wound was right down to the bone. It required 28 stitches, which by itself shows how serious it was. There were 3 layers of stitches. The doctor said that "at the earliest, he would not be able to spar until April", that the cut would would take about 6 months to heal. So...what the hell is wrong with THAT??? go and fight it out with the doctor. Before this, and subsequently, I have seen MANY fighters suffering cuts which were reported (ON THIS SITE) to require at least 6 months to heal. So....dear friend.... this is my last attempt to straighten out your crooked path. Jeep going, enjoy yourself. Phew...what a smell.....

I'm not about to look for and post links or bump old threads to prove my point....just take this for what it's worth....I remember Arum spazzing out in a interview saying he'd NEVER sit down and negotiate with THOSE people(GBP)....he went on a rant about how the Swiss banker was lying and if Floyd wanted to make the fight he should cut ties with GBP....and just like a good symphony Orchestra conducted by Arum himself, fans of the Pacman started to harmonize "Floyd is his own boss, he don't need GBP, he's stopping the fight from happening" lol I swear I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried....fast forward to today and the roles have reversed for whatever reasons....but now it's Floyd telling Pac to jump ship.....at the end of the day, the jokes on whoever allows themselves to get sunk into the f*ckery....deception 101 You can cut it however you want as long as it's easy to swallow...pause!!!....but truth of the matter, Floyd is arguably the best counter puncher in the sport atm.....Pac's poison is Floyd's medicine....imo I can't see why either fighter would avoid fighting each other besides the middle men and personal conflicts that has spilled over to the business table some of you act like these some street punks or high school bullies...no, these are world class elite top notch fighters who get top dollar....scared of who?!?...smh

again....what other choice did oscar have to make the fight? oscar wanted a big fight....he couldnt say "lets fight at 154"....wouldnt happen.....and freddie is like "i could see the marks in his arms for where they put the IVs" paulie isnt a bum at all.....but after kissing the ring post and nearly getting his clock cleaned by juan lazcano...paulie was a safe choice...hatton knew he couldnt be hurt I don't want to be rude, but that's not Pacquiao's problem. That's not Arum's problem either. Oscar made an offer that represented Manny's biggest fight of his career... And they agreed. Love when you guys come with that logic. Pacquiao fought Cotto... "Oh, he's fighting Margarito's leftovers" Mayweather fights Cotto "He's undefeated in Mayweather's eyes. He's a whole new fighter and not a Pacquiao leftover" Which one is it?

im not regurgitating anything from anyone....maybe new to this forum...but not the sport.... I can accept that you are not "new to the sport". But if not, why post as if you ARE: regurgitating the useless crap that most posters spew. Very much of the content that you have posted is actually untrue, and uncannily repeats much of the excrement disgorged by other posters. So, although not new to boxing, you seem to show very little-indeed almost none- knowledge as to what actually has been happening re the subject under consideration. The Boxingscene writers, from whom much, although not all, of my content is drawn, are highly reputable and knowledgeable. So...if they are right...then you are wrong. Apart from that, common logic directs the most probable direction of events. Contrary to the urban legends of Arum's "scumship, and congenital lying", he is known and noted for being truthful and very outspoken. He is also a legal genius, having been a Harvard Law School graduate, SUMMA CUM LAUDE, which could be regarded as the top legal mind of his year in the whole United States. He headed a tax department directly under Robert Kennedy in the Department of Justice, before he was drawn into his first promotion, an Ali fight of which he later made 26. He also carefully matched Foreman's Historic "second coming" to his heavyweight title. Oscar left Top Rank. Mayweather, as we have abundantly seen, over and over again, was/is an insecure, impossible to control person needing deep psychiatric help. So...as far as I know, and I'm open to instruction on this, Phoney Phloyd (and possibly Oscar) has been the only two fighters who left Top Rank with a grudge.

daggum is owning suckers in this thread.

Good for you to tell it straight. And it could be added that when the contract conditions were almost all agreed, at the very end, Mayweather sprung his 'testing' demand..... That timing is suspicious in itself, guaranteed to scuttle the fight, seeing that it was MannyP who was the big draw in this proposed fight. And..... there have been strong reports that Mayweather himself has failed testing multiple times and by virtue of a little flaw in the rules, or a small extra clause in his agreement with the testing authorities, (or otherwise) has been able to prevent the results from being made public. I am almost convinced that Mayweather's sudden emergence as a fully fledged welterweight bulging with muscles, is suspicious in itself. He looks like a miniature Hopkins, who has never accepted special testing, and his long intervals between fights allows him to get any illegal drugs out of his system without being caught. But as we have heard, he failed testing several times....... floyd's story simply makes no sense at all when you look at all the evidence. its pretty apparent to me that golden boy has been trying to destroy top rank and form a monopoly in the boxing world, but they have run into a ton of resistance. oscar tried to cherry pick top rank's biggest star but he failed and made pac even more popular. big setback. they tried to destroy marg's rep with "plaster plaster!" literally 2 minutes after they found something abnormal in his wraps. whoever gets to the press first wins and golden boy got there and shaped the convo. seeing how great this worked they then went after pac again by screaming roids roids! even after pac constantly capitulated to their demands they wouldn't fight which proves that roids were never the issue. public relations was their goal. now they are taking a more long term approach and refusing to work with top rank(they don't want them to get anymore leverage, they think top rank will wither away if they don't fight against them) or maybe some people trust oscar and his slimy businessmen even though oscar is the same guy who took a clear dive against hopkins and as far as im concerned the floyd fight was fixed. lamest sparring i've ever seen. their goal is money and has always been money. if they have to starve top rank for the next 5 to 10 years they will because when they have a monopoly they will rake in all the money from hbo and showtime.

Look who's Bob Arum been working with in 2 big fights coming this year. He has Miguel Cotto (Top Rank) working with a Lou Dibella fighter, Sergio Martinez. Made with within the year. No back outs Now, we got Arum putting his differences aside for Gamboa leaving Top Rank in the dry with that Rios fight, and now working with him again with a new up and coming promoter, 50 Cent. Its been constantly shown that Arum HAS BEEN willing to put ego aside and work with other promoters/networks. HELL he even worked with De La Hoya again for the Pac fight, Goldenboy with the Hatton fight. lmao yall tripping This whole cold war of networks is due to Floyd Mayweather. there wasnt a beef until he kept b***** about this and that. If you cant see that then, "you don't know sh** about" business!! Even worked with Don King. Don't really understand the Floyd-Schaffer thing. Arum probably jizzed on them. If only Oscar had his way in GB, TR would not be the enemy.

what choice did oscar have? the fight wasnt going to be made if oscar said "154"....right? nice hatton won 2 fights after the mayweather loss....he beat juan lazcano...and was nearly put down....then beat paulie featherfists.....big wins Let me refresh... Pacquiao came from lightweight to welterweight. A fight called by Oscar. A weight chosen by Oscar. Oscar was a huge favorite. What am i missing? BTW....Is Paulie a bum?

i think you are only talking about the first negotiations which would be silly to ignore all the other evidence. what kind of good scientist does that? should we look at all the evidence or just a small sample size which helps our case? hmmmm....... floyd was bluffing and he got called. he lost the gamble, but people like you are covering their eyes and plugging their ears right before the cards are revealed so you can cling to your lil story of how floyd was ready to fight without looking at any of the other evidence which clearly disproves this. Good for you to tell it straight. And it could be added that when the contract conditions were almost all agreed, at the very end, Mayweather sprung his 'testing' demand..... That timing is suspicious in itself, guaranteed to scuttle the fight, seeing that it was MannyP who was the big draw in this proposed fight. And..... there have been strong reports that Mayweather himself has failed testing multiple times and by virtue of a little flaw in the rules, or a small extra clause in his agreement with the testing authorities, (or otherwise) has been able to prevent the results from being made public. I am almost convinced that Mayweather's sudden emergence as a fully fledged welterweight bulging with muscles, is suspicious in itself. He looks like a miniature Hopkins, who has never accepted special testing, and his long intervals between fights allows him to get any illegal drugs out of his system without being caught. But as we have heard, he failed testing several times.......

arum has no prob doing business with golden boy when it comes to fighting oscar at 147 when oscar hasnt fought down there in like 7 years.....or when its ricky hatton who is knocked out by floyd and put on queer st. by juan lazcano.....but when it comes to risking getting exposed by the man that left his company to become the biggest star in the sport? not so fast...... Oscar chose the weight and the fight. Oscar was 9 to 1 favorite for that fight. :bottle: Hatton won two fights after the Mayweather loss. :bottle: Next bs please....

Quote: Originally Posted by .:: JSFD26 ::. You're so fkin stupid. Who's gonna be exposed? The guy with multiple L's on his record? I think you got it backwards, bud. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android when the fight was first being negotiated....pac didnt have a bradley or jmm loss on his record.....yes he had a few l's....but at the time he was viewed as sort of a born again fighter.....he was viewed as invincible.....a machine.....so in essence he was sort of viewed as an unbeaten/unbeatable fighter now hes telling floyd hell fight for free...for charity...then signing a rematch with bradley Stop posting dude. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android