why is pacquaio ranked top 5 @ ww and he hasnt had a good win in so long?

What's your agenda? Do you think PAC is a top 5 ww? Elaborate like I have, if you can't move on I see that you placed guys like Maidana, Porter and Malignaggi above Manny. Why are you not as critical with those other fighters? What did those other fighters that you mentioned do that would definitely catapult them past Manny? When ranking there are a lot of variables and while a loss often drops you in rankings, it could also be that it doesn't drop you that much because ALL THE OTHER FIGHERS ARE STILL NOT CONSIDERED BETTER THAN MANNY!!! Simple to realize that, no? Also, take into consideration that Manny lost controversially to the #1 ranked JWW and was doing very well until that KO against another historically well known opponent named Marquez. So what it does is elevate his opponents but not necessarily drop Manny. Manny could have dropped down a few more spots but when you look at the competition, all I can say, REALLY? No problem with a discussion but REALLY who would you consider better than Manny at this point in time at WW because that is a huge reason why they are ranked the way they are?. Maidana? All he beat is Broner who really just came up 2 divisions and has a 1-1 record. And he beat another guy that beat a guy that was 1-2 at WW .... but Maidana lost to Devon Alexander the year that Manny lost his fights. Broner? Broner who really just came up 2 divisions and has a 1-1 record. Porter? All he did was beat Devon Alexander recently and fought a lot of lower level opponents before that. Malignaggi? Lost to Broner who really just came up 2 divisions and has a 1-1 record. Alexander? Lost to Porter and has not looked impressive in his previous fights. Oh yeah, just to point it out, he had lost to Bradley at 140

Ts should go straight to his agenda What's your agenda? Do you think PAC is a top 5 ww? Elaborate like I have, if you can't move on

Alternatively...since 2010: Pacquiao beat Margarito, Mosley, Marquez, Bradley and Rios. as impressive as Hopkins beating Roy Jones in rematch still Manny lost to Bradley and Marquez once but my point stand 1st fight against a boxer who isn't moving up or going down in weight for over 4 years

since 2010 Manny Pacquiao : Margarito at 150 above the WW limit against unranked boxer coming back from a suspension Shane Mosley who was coming down from 154 and didn't have win at WW in 2years and 5 months Juan Marquez who was coming up from 135 Tim Bradley moving up from 140 and only fought once in WW Marquez who again Moving up from 140 Brandon Rios who never fought at 147 and only has 2 fights at 140 Alternatively...since 2010: Pacquiao beat Margarito, Mosley, Marquez, Bradley and Rios.

since 2010 Manny Pacquiao : Margarito at 150 above the WW limit against unranked boxer coming back from a suspension Shane Mosley who was coming down from 154 and didn't have win at WW in 2years and 5 months Juan Marquez who was coming up from 135 Tim Bradley moving up from 140 and only fought once in WW Marquez who again Moving up from 140 Brandon Rios who never fought at 147 and only has 2 fights at 140 this is really the 1st fight for Manny Pacquiao against a boxer who just fought at WW in his last fight in over 4 years

Ts should go straight to his agenda

Name one top 10 welterweight PAC man has beat the last two years....one...this don't involve Ortiz...maidana beat broner, who was ranked....porter beat Alexander who was top ten, broner beat malignaggi who was ranked...etc..Thurman is lower top ten....PAC is top 5 higher expectations....everyone gotta earn it Bro Earn what? Obviously him being ranked #1 was a Ploy to try and get the fight made by the WBC.... I'm pretty sure he's earned everything he's accomplished in his career. I'm also sure he was absolutely robbed against Bradley who is #2.. But let me guess you're gonna say "who did Bradley beat to get to #2" am I right? All the other guys are at Golden Boy, so how exactly do you expect Bradley or PAC to fight any of them anyways? If you can use that excuse for Floyd not fighting guys then it sure goes the other way as well.

Clotty went blow for blow with an almost prime Miguel Cotto..you guys are giving Ortiz way too much credit. He only beat Berto. Got his jaw shattered against Lopez and quit against Maidana. The guys ranked at welter have done nothing ..Thurman hasn't beat anyone yet. Porter has one good win over Devon. Paulie can't beat any of the top 3 who I consider FMJ,Manny,Bradley..then JMM. The rest you can put in any order you want, they haven't done **** yet. Name one top 10 welterweight PAC man has beat the last two years....one...this don't involve Ortiz...maidana beat broner, who was ranked....porter beat Alexander who was top ten, broner beat malignaggi who was ranked...etc..Thurman is lower top ten....PAC is top 5 higher expectations....everyone gotta earn it Bro

I repeat this thread has nothing to do with Mayweather, nor pound for pound ranking Read the title Furthermore IM a flom0 because I bring up Pacquiao? I didn't say anything to degrade Pacquiao or his accomplishments Those wins you PAC maniacs are bringing up didn't even happen this decade. Rankings are based off recent accomplishments. As far as Mayweather this is the only time I will speak of him in thus thread he is the champion. when he retired he retired as champion the lineal champion, came back and tuned up with Marquez and beat the number one guy at welter Mosley.I know some of you don't like it but he EARNED it. He did it this first time at ww and this time around. Face it....manny is not a top 5 welterweight and Mayweather has nothing to do with that When Floyd was in retirement, he wasn't ranked (2008). By the end of 2009, he came back and fought a guy who was fighting at 130 the year before. Yet, he jumped passed a lot of fighters and was ranked just below Manny and Mosley and was named #2 P4P fighter. When you think about it, even in 2007, his only fight at WW was against a guy who fought only one very average fight at WW. Was that fair? He earned it? Well, it happened.

Diddo..smh Clotty went blow for blow with an almost prime Miguel Cotto..you guys are giving Ortiz way too much credit. He only beat Berto. Got his jaw shattered against Lopez and quit against Maidana. The guys ranked at welter have done nothing ..Thurman hasn't beat anyone yet. Porter has one good win over Devon. Paulie can't beat any of the top 3 who I consider FMJ,Manny,Bradley..then JMM. The rest you can put in any order you want, they haven't done **** yet.

His only real loss was to JMM Ina lucky one punch ko that knocked him to sleep in a fight he was winning. Other than the robbery loss he has been fuking dudes up for over a decade. Maybe that's why he got fighter of the decade. Maybe that's why he's still a p4p champ. So dumb lol PAC boy...your name...nuff said....what has he done lately, screw last decade , rankings aren't a popularity contest

Ranking wise you may be right. Ranking doesnt mean he LOSES to some of the guys above him but he probably shouldnt be a top ranked WW. It's a weird situation because he probably isnt hugely favored to beat some of these guys either and some might be "toss ups". Anyway I don't have a huge issue with it. I can't believe Straightleft thinks clottey beats Ortiz or Guerrero. :/... Then again I see that name as "Manny's favorite punch" so no surprise there. Lol no offense Diddo..smh

Ranking wise you may be right. Ranking doesnt mean he LOSES to some of the guys above him but he probably shouldnt be a top ranked WW. It's a weird situation because he probably isnt hugely favored to beat some of these guys either and some might be "toss ups". Anyway I don't have a huge issue with it. I can't believe Straightleft thinks clottey beats Ortiz or Guerrero. :/... Then again I see that name as "Manny's favorite punch" so no surprise there. Lol no offense

I repeat this thread has nothing to do with Mayweather, nor pound for pound ranking Read the title Furthermore IM a flom0 because I bring up Pacquiao? I didn't say anything to degrade Pacquiao or his accomplishments Those wins you PAC maniacs are bringing up didn't even happen this decade. Rankings are based off recent accomplishments. As far as Mayweather this is the only time I will speak of him in thus thread he is the champion. when he retired he retired as champion the lineal champion, came back and tuned up with Marquez and beat the number one guy at welter Mosley.I know some of you don't like it but he EARNED it. He did it this first time at ww and this time around. Face it....manny is not a top 5 welterweight and Mayweather has nothing to do with that

Lets not forget Mannys quality wins over Clottey and Margarita. Seriously, Manny will stay on the P4P list until he retires, even after losses. HBO/TR did a fine job with him.

If you're gonna call someone a "floydiot," you might want to come off less like a pacroach as I call it, or parctard as is the common term. Just a suggestion. Your previous post is so incredibly biased, has so many holes, and is just plain laughable. Please elaborate. Floyd since his fake retirement from 2007 only fought 6 times vs Pac 12-14 times give and take and 3 of those already by beat Pac, the others were weight cheated,sucker punched and weight drained besides Cotto and Canelo were in 154. So basically Floyd in 6 years only fought 4 times at welterweight but then how come the floydiots didn't question his WW ranking?

A better question to me is how is Ward still ranked #2 P4P?

One more thing this floydiot TS also forgot Pac was a former flyweight champ and not even a real welterweight to begin with not to mention welterweight is his 9 weight divisions now (he skipped fighting at super flyweight and bantamweight).

Previous fight beat unranked Rios and gets number one wbc ranking....a joke Marquez put him to sleep Bradley won a controversial fight, manny should have won but officially lost Mosley hadn't won a fight in years by the time manny beat him Got a gift against Marquez where most thought he lost...me included, Marquez at that point had the most definitive fight win taken from him. If it was another fighter he would be lower top ten or unrated He hasn't had a legit win over a top 5 guy in years, since last decade Obviously you are a floydiot and you know all the floydiots are brainless. Pac fought Oscar, Hatton, Mosley, Cotto and beat them easily gave them the worst beating without making a sweat while your boy went life and death against them. Clottey and Margarito will beat Ortiz and Guerrero easily while Pac as shown before will not making a sweat giving these two the worst beating of their life. Pac last 3 fights showed he is still a top p4p fighter. He beat Bradley easily even with half ass effort and was looking really good against Marquez until he delivered his face first to Marquez "Memo" powered punch. People were banking on that ko and assumed Pac was damaged good (cracked chin) but his recent fight against Rios proved he is still a force to reckon. Floyd since he faked his retirement from 2007 to duck prime younger Cotto, Mosley and Margarito he fought 6 times only comparing to Pacquiao who fought 14 times since 2007. Take note 3 of Floyd's opponents already beat by Pacquiao not to mention the other one was weight cheated by Floyd, one was sucker punched and the other one was weight drained even thought Floyd is a 2 times champ at 154. So based on these undeniable facts how come you didn't question Floyd ranking?

Marquez lost the 3rd fight officially yet you brought that up in your first post and again now ..... so you are not sticking to the facts as that was opinion ..... that is, unless you bring up Manny shoulda had the win but officially lost to Bradley! Then you conveniently stuck to the facts! That is, Manny lost. BUT then to prove another point you contradict yourself (Manny is 1-2) by saying, "what has Bradley done? He really should have lost to Manny"? More opinion made by you but contradictory! So is Manny 2-1 in his last 3 fights or 1-2? Make up your mind!!! FACT: Both Bradley and Marquez did beat Manny. Right? So by beating someone like Manny, who was considered #1 or #2 at WW and P4P, you obviously get ranked high. Right? They then fight each other to a close fight, so that means that they both fought a highly ranked opponent. Higher than anyone else. Right? Rankings: I agree they are not always accurate and I have disagreed with them too on many occassions. Still, if you are a Floyd fan, you should remember that his fans keep on bringing up opponents like Guerrero, Ortiz and others and flaunt their high rankings even though they beat a guy who had a suspect resume ..... at least Marquez and Bradley beat Manny!!! The latest laugh that I had was when I saw the WBC ranking Khan as #2 at WW. Now I believe he dropped to #3 ..... so you will see, IF that fight gets made, a lot of Floyd fans will one day have a list of Floyd's opponents and on that list, they will have Khan's name with #3 ranked on it. So do you consider Pacquiao a top 5 welterweight? For the exits this thread ha absolutely nothing to do with Mayweather...they are not attached at the leg, why people on nsb can't understand that