No one wants to fight Andre Ward at 168?

. Froch beat Abraham first but yet it seems he doesn't get the credit he deserves like Ward. When you lose to a fighter, sometimes it takes something out of you but it doesn't change the fact they were something at that time when Froch beat Bute/Dirrell. The same Dirrell that Ward did not want to fight. There could of been if he was willing to make sacrifices and not be a diva about it. Sometimes it seems to me like you just make up what "People" say. Who the hell gives Ward credit for Abraham and not Froch? I've literally never once read that. Like I said I think Froch has the better resume at it stands but he hasn't cleaned out anything. If anyone's cleaned it out it's Ward, if anyone.

Go to 175 and there are plenty of fights. theres no one left to fight at 168. ward was HOPING for a Chavez fight but now he's talking crap because apparently Froch is going to fight him. MOVE up already. Whats the hold up?

The same Dirrell that Ward did not want to fight. It was Dirrell that didn't want to fight Ward. He was the one that dropped out of the Super Six.

Froch lost to both Ward and Kessler when it mattered the most. Many think he lost to Dirrell too. Ward dominated Froch, Kessler and every other opponent in the super six. Your belief that Froch cleaned out the division over the fighter he clearly lost to is ridiculous and makes no sense. You don't "clean out" a division when you can't beat the best fighter in the division. It's obviously based on your own personal bias. Many think he beat Kessler as well. Can't have it both ways. My belief is that Froch has done more to clean the division, not entirely cleaned it like you're saying. No bias there at all. You're just trying to twist it. I think Froch has a better resume but Wards cleaned it out in the sense that the best fighters at the time of the super six (and on going) were Kessler, Froch, Abraham and he's beat them and the hers were Bute and Dirrell who are off the map now. Point being there's not much left at 168. Froch beat Abraham first but yet it seems he doesn't get the credit he deserves like Ward. When you lose to a fighter, sometimes it takes something out of you but it doesn't change the fact they were something at that time when Froch beat Bute/Dirrell. The same Dirrell that Ward did not want to fight. There could of been if he was willing to make sacrifices and not be a diva about it.

He brings nothing to the table. Move your ass up to 175 and put that 0 on the line. Nothing at 168 for you ward. You beat froch, the only fight there is jr. Or groves if he wins a rematch.

I'd say 3 (Kessler, Froch, Abraham) 4 if you include Bika. I get your point though. I'm not sure Abraham and Bika are clearly better and they aren't meaningful wins either. In all honestly, Froch and Kessler were only a bit better than Rodriguez.

after groves ko's froch, he will come for ward

All these years later, Nelson is still hurtin.

True. But say he moves up and takes two lesser fights before Stevenson and Kovalov, people are still going to cry duck. Why does he need lesser fights? He's been having lesser fighters for over 2 years now. Why can't he move up and fight the best right away like other fighters P4P fighters have.

He's in no rush to move up and the 175 pounders aren't going anywhere. He can take his time to do that. Or he can waste his prime away doing that. Which is what he's been doing for the last 2+ years.

FYI it wasn't Ward that cleaned out the division. Sure you could say just cause he won the Super Six, but Froch has done more to clean it out than Ward. Even if he lost the final. Before and after. I think Froch has a better resume but Wards cleaned it out in the sense that the best fighters at the time of the super six (and on going) were Kessler, Froch, Abraham and he's beat them and the hers were Bute and Dirrell who are off the map now. Point being there's not much left at 168.

How many opponents has he faced that were above Rodriguez caliber anyway? I'd say 3 (Kessler, Froch, Abraham) 4 if you include Bika. I get your point though.

FYI it wasn't Ward that cleaned out the division. Sure you could say just cause he won the Super Six, but Froch has done more to clean it out than Ward. Even if he lost the final. Before and after. Froch lost to both Ward and Kessler when it mattered the most. Many think he lost to Dirrell too. Ward dominated Froch, Kessler and every other opponent in the super six. Your belief that Froch cleaned out the division over the fighter he clearly lost to is ridiculous and makes no sense. You don't "clean out" a division when you can't beat the best fighter in the division. It's obviously based on your own personal bias.

There is when he's cleaned it out already. What's the point in staying there picking up worthless title defenses against Edwin Rodriguez caliber opponents and worse. He could easily move up to 175. FYI it wasn't Ward that cleaned out the division. Sure you could say just cause he won the Super Six, but Froch has done more to clean it out than Ward. Even if he lost the final. Before and after.

There is when he's cleaned it out already. What's the point in staying there picking up worthless title defenses against Edwin Rodriguez caliber opponents and worse. He could easily move up to 175. How many opponents has he faced that were above Rodriguez caliber anyway?

There is nothing left for Ward at 168. The time is now to move up. Instead he's waiting for Middleweights to move up and fight him. It makes him look weak. I disagree. The light heavies aren't going anywhere. He can get GGG and than move up having the best of both worlds. Now if he didn't than I'd say it was a duck.

There is when he's cleaned it out already. What's the point in staying there picking up worthless title defenses against Edwin Rodriguez caliber opponents and worse. He could easily move up to 175. True. But say he moves up and takes two lesser fights before Stevenson and Kovalov, people are still going to cry duck.

There is nothing left for Ward at 168. The time is now to move up. Instead he's waiting for Middleweights to move up and fight him. It makes him look weak.

He's in no rush to move up and the 175 pounders aren't going anywhere. He can take his time to do that. Exactly. I don't see what the rush is. These fights will eventually happen.

Redbarman is in denial. One of those saying that Ward's win over Kessler in jOakland wouldn't have let to a DQ anywhere else on the planet. Andre out skilled him. Sure there was some fouling, but only one looked intentional. And to say he would have been DQ'd anywhere else is purely opinion. Would Wlad have been DQ'd anywhere else but EE for the excessive holding against Povetkin or others? Its simply impossible to say. Should he have been? Well that's a matter of opinion.