Has been stated by the Brits, but I think the influence of the UK on the market is being overestimated.
Case in point: Ricky Hatton. A more popular figure at the time in the UK than Khan ever will be I think most would agree... However the Mayweather-Hatton fight didn't break 1 million ppv buys. The Ghost fight, which was rumored to be 870k by fat dan, even if thats true, was comparable with the hatton fight. Yet, Maidana has far more fans and people that respect him than Ghost did.
Point blank.. the sleeping giant of the boxing industry remains the USA. Khan will not move alot of ppv's in the US.. the casuals have a short memory and the hardcores hate the fight. Pair that with the Brit influence being overblown, and you have yourself a comprehensive formula of underperformance overall.
if I know this, then Floyd's people HAVE to know this. As they crunch the numbers they will find Maidana captures the imagination of the American audience better... he can be sold as a sheer killer to the casuals and their short memory wont be a problem because he is coming off of a win over a high profile guy in Broner. Hardcores generally favor the Maidana fight over the Khan fight as well. Maidana fight will get more casuals and Americans to buy so it IS the more lucrative fight. Its a slam dunk unless Floyd just doesnt want the fight.
Khan being the more lucrative option= Myth
Not sure what the conversion is, however you still have to halve that number. Plus it's probably taxed all to hell. Also I think 600k is generous.
Any way you cut it the entirety of the UK revenue basically covers Khan's purse and that's about it. It doesn't even make a dent in Showtime's #
The reality is that people in this thread are acting like Showtime has a magic formula that will calculate the PPV's and that there is a 0% chance of it being wrong.
Showtime is HOPING Amir Khan sells as well as he might have sold 2 or 3 years ago when he had some career momentum and hadn't lost embarrassingly three times.
They certainly don't know it. What they do know is that if they let Amir Khan fight anyone other than Mayweather he probably loses and goes bust for good anyway so they may as well cash him out in a fight where there is some kind of upside.
Putting Khan-Mayweather together and letting Floyd kick Amir's ass is probably better for Showtime long term than putting Maidana-Floyd together for marginally more buys and having Khan get his ass kicked by a Julio Diaz and get nothing at all out of him.
I get your point, but still when comparing Khan to Maidana that amount is a bunch more than Maidana can bring from Argentina 7.5 million is still at least 7 million more than Maidana brings from his home country.
It is not like Khan is a surefire hit though, even at his peak I don't think he was any bigger in the US than Guerrero. It is more like making lemon-aid out of lemons
I personally thinks a Maidana fight does better numbers; but GB and Showtime see's something I don't with Khan I will be interested to see the numbers for it.
Aren't British PPV 15 pounds, which 1 pound like like $1.64 or 1.65. That is $24.60 which times 600k is pushing $15,000,000
Not sure what the conversion is, however you still have to halve that number. Plus it's probably taxed all to hell. Also I think 600k is generous.
Any way you cut it the entirety of the UK revenue basically covers Khan's purse and that's about it. It doesn't even make a dent in Showtime's #
The reality is that people in this thread are acting like Showtime has a magic formula that will calculate the PPV's and that there is a 0% chance of it being wrong.
Showtime is HOPING Amir Khan sells as well as he might have sold 2 or 3 years ago when he had some career momentum and hadn't lost embarrassingly three times.
They certainly don't know it. What they do know is that if they let Amir Khan fight anyone other than Mayweather he probably loses and goes bust for good anyway so they may as well cash him out in a fight where there is some kind of upside.
Putting Khan-Mayweather together and letting Floyd kick Amir's ass is probably better for Showtime long term than putting Maidana-Floyd together for marginally more buys and having Khan get his ass kicked by a Julio Diaz and get nothing at all out of him.
1.5 million US buys equals 135 million in revenue.
Anyone who thinks a promotion with Khan is going to sell as well as one with Hatton is crazy. Floyd Khan might max out around 600k buys @ $14.99 per for 9 million in revenue.
Of course the UK broadcaster takes half of that leaving this mythical UK PPV pot-o-gold sitting at about 4.5 million bucks to split up. Not really sh*t when one guy is carrying a 32 million dollar guarantee and the other guy is such a spoiled b*tch he surely believes he deserves 5-6 million himself.
All numbers aside - the fact that the sh*tty Mayweather PPV's have done well in the past is because they have done a good job taking guys like Cotto, Ortiz or Guerrero and making you like them and turning it into a good guy underdog vs. big bad champ matchup. Maidana can play that role as well - and probably much better than the other guys.
You put Amir Khan in there and you basically have two c*nts scissoring each other until Khan's G-spot is exposed.
Let's not even get into the fact that if Khan is announced as an opponent his stupid ass will do everything possible to make fans care about him even less than they already do with his false bravado and delusional self evaluations.
Aren't British PPV 15 pounds, which 1 pound like like $1.64 or 1.65. That is $24.60 which times 600k is pushing $15,000,000
I think Khan does sell more because he can really speak and annoy the shit out of people. I am pretty sure Khan's innate ability to annoy people will pay off in this situation, which will make people want to see Floyd wreck on him which Floyd is likely to do just that probably in fairly entertaining fashion.
When it comes to Khan versus Maidana that is where the real difference is in value, plus some over seas stuff which for Maidana is roughly 0 while Khan can at least throw a bit on the stack.
1.5 million US buys equals 135 million in revenue.
Anyone who thinks a promotion with Khan is going to sell as well as one with Hatton is crazy. Floyd Khan might max out around 600k buys @ $14.99 per for 9 million in revenue.
Of course the UK broadcaster takes half of that leaving this mythical UK PPV pot-o-gold sitting at about 4.5 million bucks to split up. Not really sh*t when one guy is carrying a 32 million dollar guarantee and the other guy is such a spoiled b*tch he surely believes he deserves 5-6 million himself.
All numbers aside - the fact that the sh*tty Mayweather PPV's have done well in the past is because they have done a good job taking guys like Cotto, Ortiz or Guerrero and making you like them and turning it into a good guy underdog vs. big bad champ matchup. Maidana can play that role as well - and probably much better than the other guys.
You put Amir Khan in there and you basically have two c*nts scissoring each other until Khan's G-spot is exposed.
Let's not even get into the fact that if Khan is announced as an opponent his stupid ass will do everything possible to make fans care about him even less than they already do with his false bravado and delusional self evaluations.
Damn homie, you ain't have to come with the ether :lol1:
1.5 million US buys equals 135 million in revenue.
Anyone who thinks a promotion with Khan is going to sell as well as one with Hatton is crazy. Floyd Khan might max out around 600k buys @ $14.99 per for 9 million in revenue.
Of course the UK broadcaster takes half of that leaving this mythical UK PPV pot-o-gold sitting at about 4.5 million bucks to split up. Not really sh*t when one guy is carrying a 32 million dollar guarantee and the other guy is such a spoiled b*tch he surely believes he deserves 5-6 million himself.
All numbers aside - the fact that the sh*tty Mayweather PPV's have done well in the past is because they have done a good job taking guys like Cotto, Ortiz or Guerrero and making you like them and turning it into a good guy underdog vs. big bad champ matchup. Maidana can play that role as well - and probably much better than the other guys.
You put Amir Khan in there and you basically have two c*nts scissoring each other until Khan's G-spot is exposed.
Let's not even get into the fact that if Khan is announced as an opponent his stupid ass will do everything possible to make fans care about him even less than they already do with his false bravado and delusional self evaluations.
this is quite easy to work out
how many ppv has maidana sold?
how many ppvs has khan sold?
khan has made more money because of the uk market
maidana cant sell ****, he@s not mexican, his figures speak for themselves
PPV caters to casual fans
Floyd knows he can sell Khan to those people, so that's his plan
the guy has admitted he cares nothing for merit, just money
the backlash for this from comes from diehards, not casuals
it's not enough to stop Floyd from going for it, so he will
True about the casuals, but the thing is, at least in the US,, none of the casuals know who this guy is,,, the casuals have only known oscar, cotto, shane, and canelo,,,
khan-floyd is gonna flop at the ppv level,,, At least with canelo you had all the hype, and with ghost and ortiz you could feed the bullcrap to the casuals how they had won fights of the year vs berto, young and hungry, etc
With khan there is really no way to hype him and excite the masses,, they will talk about his handspeed, but in reality when espn talks about khan, and people start looking at his resume, it will be very weak recently,,
1. hasnt won a big fight since 2011 and that was an old judah
2. hasnt looked good vs 2 cherry picks in molina and diaz
3. almost got ko'd his last fight
4. has lost the last 2 times he stepped up vs top competition ie garcia lamont
5. has very little name value at all in the states..
6. people compare him to hatton, but hatton had a much bigger fanbase, was undefeated, and had been showcased on both showtime and hbo for years... Hatton was a much bigger star, and even then the ppv did below 1 mil
7. I will be shocked if this ppv does 1 mil buys,,, I honestly think it does around 800k like the ghost fight,,, khan just does not bring a big name or excitement to the card
I don't knock Khan at all if he gets offered this fight..I do however think this fight will be a hard sell..How can you sell a fighter who has not had a win of note in over two yrs??I think Khan needs a good win at WW, then thus fight would do well IMO..
casuals outnumber diehards by far
Floyd won't have a hard time selling this to them
and he couldn't care less about diehards attacking him for it
casuals buy names and Khan has one, so it's a go
PPV caters to casual fans
Floyd knows he can sell Khan to those people, so that's his plan
the guy has admitted he cares nothing for merit, just money
the backlash for this from comes from diehards, not casuals
it's not enough to stop Floyd from going for it, so he will
I don't knock Khan at all if he gets offered this fight..I do however think this fight will be a hard sell..How can you sell a fighter who has not had a win of note in over two yrs??I think Khan needs a good win at WW, then thus fight would do well IMO..
PPV caters to casual fans
Floyd knows he can sell Khan to those people, so that's his plan
the guy has admitted he cares nothing for merit, just money
the backlash for this from comes from diehards, not casuals
it's not enough to stop Floyd from going for it, so he will
Khan shouldnt get this fight period,,, its a money grab by team mayweather,,,
He has done nothing to deserve it and i can name numerous guys more deserving,,,
This is basically the shambra mitchell fight all over again...
Khan will bring some fans, but the should just dub this fight "THE CASH GRAB"
Listen to Mayweather's own words. He talks about Khan having a "cool fanbase". He knows how far reaching Khan's appeal is.
Maidana's fanbase is far smaller. He's not Mexican.
This fight is an easy sell to the casuals, Khan is the wonder kid with lightning hands who won the Olympics at 17, beat up Judah, Paulie and Maidana and even owned Manny in sparring and has only ever lost to drug cheats and lucky punches.
Just show some highlights of him landing flashy combos on Judah and Garcia, dropping Madiana and a couple of KOs.
This is the biggest challenge Floyd has ever faced!!
casuals aren't too concerned with facts, they'll eat that **** up.
and hardcore fans will buy it despite their protests, if you bought Ortiz or Guerrero you're buying this. Let's face it, if there was gonna be a protest it would have happened well before now.
lmao!!! i see ur trying to help sell it already lol!!!
Two isn't always better than one. You are operating as if khan and Maidana would sell the same amount of ppv's in the States.
Maidana represents a larger share of the American market. Which is more important ..
That's not hard to understand, is it?
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Maidana has never been on PPV so there's no evidence that he's suddenly going to draw significantly more than Khan will. Floyd Mayweather is virtually drawing this fight on his own in America and the difference between what Khan-Mayweather and Khan-Maidana would draw won't be much at all.
Khan appeals to a wider range of markets than Maidana, it's quite simple.
Floyd would be more worried about Ali having a 72nd birthday comeback that Maidana.
It's seriously the most boring, deAdahot, retarded fight anyone ever cAn put together.
If you think losing every single round to Devon Alexander is being on fire then you need help.
KhAn never could ever put up such an embarrassing display !! Not ever.
Just except Paulie is as good or better that Broner and ypur whole case goes out the window.
Lol alright ill humor you
I think everyone knows Floyd can outbox Chino. But I also think Floyd is a safety first guy. He might not like the idea of being against a relentless guy like that, even though his brain tells him he can win easy.
Khan has been stopped and wobbled. Dropped and made to dance... Maidana has always ended the fight on his feet.. Even when he went in with poor conditioning and the wrong gameplan.. Or didn't have his trainer, Rudy Perez, in his corner because of cancer. He has strapped up and pushed forward and NEVER let another man stop him. He is dogged, and he has more ability than many give him credit for.
Broner beat Pmag. Pmag outlanded but Broner landed the more authoritative shots.