Pacman being protected by top rank?

a rematch has to be made? fair enough, but why 4 times then? explain. and since when do we get to see rematch thats suppose to be made right away? u make it seem like since that fight was close a rematch needed to be made right away when we know this is never the case. now marquez outperform manny unexpectedly, all 4 times though? LOL!! u would think they'll stop pitting manny in with marquez after the 2nd fight if they were trying to "protect" manny. They put Manny in with JMM 3 and 4 because Marquez was supposed to be an easy fight at WW. Still undersized @ WW. Attempted Cherry pick gone wrong. It wasn't because OMFG Marquez is Gorreella. You didnt think JMM would do anything but lose at WW anyway - and now that Manny got brained you wanna spin it and act like "Oh they throw Manny to the Wolves every time out!". GTFO with that **** boy.

I don't make threads much but I'm puzzled when the Floyd fans say bob doesn't want to throw manny in with Floyd because he wants to protect his best Investment. I don't get this, manny is not an undefeated fighter, manny have losses on his records even been ko more than once. So if bob is trying to protect manny why would bob make PAC fight the only guy to give him problems, 4 times!!?? Marquez is the only guy to give PAC problems or in other words "exposed" him, now why would bob throw manny in with Marquez 4 times if he's trying to protect manny's image?? Discuss!! Arum is not trying to keep Pacquaio from Mayweather because he is afraid Pac will lose. He is keeping Pacquaio from Mayweather because Arum is afraid that he (Arum) will lose out on the more than $100 million that the fight would generate. If Pac fights Mayweather, it will likely generate $300 million in PPV sales (about $50 million more than what Mayweather/Alvarez made). Of that amount, the cable companiies will keep half, leaving $150 million left. Based on what Mayweather has offered lately, Pac would get no more than $40-$50 million of that and would have to give Arum 27 percent of his purse. That would leave Mayweather with the remaining $100 million. Arum is not going to allow any of his fighters to participate in a fight in which he (Arum) doesn't get to keep 70 percent of the money. That is why he is keeping Pac away from Mayweather and that is why he only allows his fighters to fight other Top Rank fighters.

Maybe if you actually thought about this and used all the information available you might see someone els's point. Instead, you cosign someone who logs on and says floyd fans have the avergae IQ of a ****roach. Is that really a poster you consider to be knowledgeable or someone you want to be agreeing with? Yeah I kinda feel bad about that post in retrospect. C0ckroach was actually a little too generous.

so he doesnt care if pac win or lose then? because pac vs bradley is a close fight that some will argue, but how come we didnt see a rematch like what ur trying to say with pac vs marquez 1,2,3,4. I think he cares about profit more than manny winning. But you are taking the point to the extreme to argue it back which is silly. Look, you don't have to agree bob is protecting manny. You can look at fights with bigger guys and say this proves he isn't. You can also look at the lack of a floyd fight, not opting to fight zahir raheem but choosing to fight david diaz, and the always lovely "Yuri Foreman (boxer with movement who fights from the outside) is too tall at 5'11 whie Margs (stand in front plodder) at 5'11 isn't too tall" reasoning from Bob and get a different perspective.

i know they wont admit it but its still funny to see them scrumble with excuses. bob wont put manny in with floyd in fear of manny losing even though we dont know for sure whos gonna win so instead bob will just take the easy way out and throw manny in with a guy who always gives him problems and have the potential to even beat him! lol.. makes a lot of snese right? Its not just about losing, its about profit generated. Look at what happened after manny lost to JMM? His next fight sold less than 450k ppv's. He had been averaging well above 800k. Also not how the 4th JMM fight sold fewer than the 3rd did-perhaps the number was affected by Manny "losing" to Tim. He aso had not lost to JMM the 1st 3 fights. You are aware there is a big difference between winning a close fight and losing a fight. You are also overlooking (or ignoring) the fact that Manny was favored to beat JMM each time while he would be the underdog against floyd. Maybe if you actually thought about this and used all the information available you might see another perspective. Instead, you cosign someone who logs on and says floyd fans have the avergae IQ of a ****roach. Is that really a poster you consider to be knowledgeable or someone you want to be agreeing with?

Because Juan and Floyd have the same style of counter punching right? :buttkick: Which one is better counter puncher? Marques takes hits to counter. Floyd counters while taking no damage. PAC could barely catch Bradley clean and u think he could touch Floyd often? Please use your brain.

If one judge could've counted properly then Manny would've won the 1st fight. Manny won the 2nd there's no dispute. Now we have the 3rd fight. It wasn't a 'robbery' it could've gone either way and I personally think it should've been a draw. 4 Manny was finally winning and got wreckless then ktfo. I'm not making any excuses. My boy got iced :alcoholic If I remeber correctly, I recall hearing that judges usually never score a round worse than 10-7. Could be wrong.

where do all these stupid idiots come from? why would the most electrifying fighter in the world needs a boring boxer? three quarters of the world don't even know who your hero is. you know why? he's boring. he's no tyson and srl. your hero retired and pacman took the world by storm. floydweather is nothing in many parts of the world. nothing. http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/b8rQ4pEvE0M/default.jpg Manny Pac wasn't a household name before Oscar and he got most of his recognition after the thing with Floyd started. You are really trying to deny that Floyd and Manny owe a lot of their fame to each other and oscar? It's what made them the stars they are. Also most electrifying boxer in the world? There are plenty of electrifying boxers who aren't big names, also you're calling Floyd my hero which he's not. Point of the matter is if you can't see that both of them feed off of each other and fighting would only cause that to end...you really have knowledge of marketing or business. Pac lost to JMM and his stock dropped, if he lost to Floyd it would plummet. Floyd loses to Manny it plummets if he loses to someone else it drops. That's the difference neither can afford a loss to the other plain and simple. Use your head instead of just assuming random **** about people, it might get you a bit further.

he didn't throw him in with him 4 times. he put him in once, manny failed to get the job done. they rematched, manny was again a big favorite, he won a close fight. He made the 3rd fight RATHER than make a floyd fight. JMM was the lesser of 2 evils. He made the 4th fight RATHER than a floyd fight AND bcecause the fight he tred to make, Cotto at 148 was REJECTED by Miguel. JMM was the most lucrative of the remianing options so he doesnt care if pac win or lose then? because pac vs bradley is a close fight that some will argue, but how come we didnt see a rematch like what ur trying to say with pac vs marquez 1,2,3,4.

pac vs floyd is up in the air, we dont know who the winner is for sure so we cant just say oh bob doesnt wanna throw manny in with floyd because he will lose. if thats the case then why would bob make manny fight marquez all 4 times when in each fight we see that marquez clearly gives pac problems?? bob doesnt want pac and floyd even though we dont know who will win for sure but we've seen pac vs marquez 1,2,3,4 and all 4 fights was close with the possiblity of marquez even beating manny yet bob will risk this right over a floyd fight?

Easiest answer is this....Most of Mannys starpower and fame that he currently has is due to Floyd. where do all these stupid idiots come from? why would the most electrifying fighter in the world needs a boring boxer? three quarters of the world don't even know who your hero is. you know why? he's boring. he's no tyson and srl. your hero retired and pacman took the world by storm. floydweather is nothing in many parts of the world. nothing. http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/b8rQ4pEvE0M/default.jpg

what dont u understand?? im asking u that if bob is trying to protect manny why would he throw manny in with the only guy to ever give manny problems? all 4 times!!??? he didn't throw him in with him 4 times. he put him in once, manny failed to get the job done. they rematched, manny was again a big favorite, he won a close fight. He made the 3rd fight RATHER than make a floyd fight. JMM was the lesser of 2 evils. He made the 4th fight RATHER than a floyd fight AND bcecause the fight he tred to make, Cotto at 148 was REJECTED by Miguel. JMM was the most lucrative of the remianing options

OP. You're trying to rationalize and make common sense out of something Floyd fans said. Think about that for a second. They have the average IQ of a c0ckroach. If you're putting even a single second into any thought that comes from them...you've already put in one second too much. i know they wont admit it but its still funny to see them scrumble with excuses. bob wont put manny in with floyd in fear of manny losing even though we dont know for sure whos gonna win so instead bob will just take the easy way out and throw manny in with a guy who always gives him problems and have the potential to even beat him! lol.. makes a lot of snese right?

OP. You're trying to rationalize and make common sense out of something Floyd fans said. Think about that for a second. They have the average IQ of a c0ckroach. If you're putting even a single second into any thought that comes from them...you've already put in one second too much. IMO B-Suth would beat up Pac and Floyd. Real talk. :boxing:

Easiest answer is this....Most of Mannys starpower and fame that he currently has is due to Floyd. Floyd's was big after him selling himself on the 24/7 w Oscar but it got bigger when Manny came in. They make money in their fights off the prospect of them fighting. If Bob put Manny in with Floyd and Manny lost, the allure is gone, the using Floyds name to sell fights is gone...the hype that was "Who's the better of the two" is answered and the losers sales will go down. I'm willing to bet Bob doesn't want the outcome to be unfavorable when they can continue down the same road they have been and making money, until that ends then cash out on a fight. This mans a genius. You must have the IQ of 160 Gump.

You have to remember that between the rematches, bob and roach were all saying "manny is a better fighter now. He used to be a one-handed fighter. He's a two-handed fighter now and he'll show it against Marquez." That's how they justified 2 and 3 but Marquez kept proving them wrong. If u remember during the Freddie roach series, manny admitted that he was justlearninghow to fight counter-punchers. PAC was still learning from those Marquez fights. He never really hurt manny so it seemed like low-risk fights. How could he think he could beat Floyd when he didn't know how to fight counter-punchers? Because Juan and Floyd have the same style of counter punching right? :buttkick:

OP. You're trying to rationalize and make common sense out of something Floyd fans said. Think about that for a second. They have the average IQ of a c0ckroach. If you're putting even a single second into any thought that comes from them...you've already put in one second too much.

but if marquez is gonna exposed manny why would they risk that just because theres nobody else left for manny?? yes nobody never thought marquez would ko pac but everyone knew marquez was then only one to give pac problems and the only guy to have a chance to beat him so why risk it all 4 times if they were trying to protect manny?? i havent heard any good response yet but the same old recycle stuff that doesnt make any sense. He wasn't supposed to, JMM is an average welterweight plain and simple. They went in with the mindset of it being a cherry pick. They didn't lose in 3 fights, the 4th would be more of the same...he was supposed to get blown out and that's what they were going for. Turns out their plan while it looked like it was gonna work, ended up backfiring and he got countered and KOd. Pac was supposed to blow out JMM, and he was much improved they said....it wasn't because it was a risk, it was because they thought it'd be easy...which happens all the time.

Easiest answer is this....Most of Mannys starpower and fame that he currently has is due to Floyd. Floyd's was big after him selling himself on the 24/7 w Oscar but it got bigger when Manny came in. They make money in their fights off the prospect of them fighting. If Bob put Manny in with Floyd and Manny lost, the allure is gone, the using Floyds name to sell fights is gone...the hype that was "Who's the better of the two" is answered and the losers sales will go down. I'm willing to bet Bob doesn't want the outcome to be unfavorable when they can continue down the same road they have been and making money, until that ends then cash out on a fight. i dont even recall bob ever using floyd's name to see a pac fight?? so bob doesnt want to risk putting manny in with floyd because if manny lose it will be hard to hype him back up even though its not set in stone that floyd will win so instead bob throws manny back in with marquez, all 4 times?? the same guy that always gives manny problems??

You can just say the 4th fight was made because he had 0 other options....Didn't want Bradley, Cotto turned down the catchweight offer...they were stuck with JMM as the only fight that people would pay for at the time and JMM put up tough fights but they never thought Pac would get KO'd by him, hence the spin afterwards. but if marquez is gonna exposed manny why would they risk that just because theres nobody else left for manny?? yes nobody never thought marquez would ko pac but everyone knew marquez was then only one to give pac problems and the only guy to have a chance to beat him so why risk it all 4 times if they were trying to protect manny?? i havent heard any good response yet but the same old recycle stuff that doesnt make any sense.