is manny pacquiao really an ATG

and ill counter that with bhop saying floyd is top 3 all time. Floyd is one of the best of all time and his win over canelo should of shut the idiots up. But Canelo was cherry picked lol Stupid floydiot alt. Floyd might even higher than Bhop in your list.

Smh at this thread. You guys always seem to ask the wrong questions about the wrong fighters. What do you think? Of course Manny Pacquiao is an all-time great. He's the only 8 division champion in history. His resume is padded with guys who could've actually defeated him, some did, and that is also what makes you great. It's about risk and fighting the fighters who people and critics say, can beat you. A better question would've been, is Floyd Mayweather an all-time great. Why is this question posed about the more proven fighter in Manny? Hmmmm. Floyd is a mere HOF'mer because he didn't want to be great. He doesn't like to challenge himself against the best and runs from REAL fights. He started off on the right track but when he became his own boss, his desire to be a ring immortal, left him. It's his own fault.

and ill counter that with bhop saying floyd is top 3 all time. Floyd is one of the best of all time and his win over canelo should of shut the idiots up. But Canelo was cherry picked lol b-hop is well known racist and black power supporter means chit he gives no credit to anyone outside his race besides danny garcia p.rican who us mexicans see as pretty much black since they act the part .... ask him where he rates joe cal. ..... when its all said and done floyd jr will go forgotten because he never took the risk ...LOL @ canelo who was weight drained and green he would have to go on and become the best for floyd to get credit for him

How do you know? "better fighter? Absolutely not." How do you know? Did they ever fight? Manny has the better track record against common opponents. He also came up to Floyd's weight-class and fought a couple guys that Floyd wanted no part of. They both have gifts they bring into a fight. To say that one is better than the other, is being bogus, one way or the other.

And that SRR vs Floyd discussion is a complete joke as well..there's lots of guys ranked ahead of Floyd and that won't change. I think its changing as we speak. Floyd keeps adding tremendous wins on his record, you better believe that order will change.

and you speak for the whole world? real atg's srl and duran expressed there feelings towards floyd he is not a ATG and will be lucky if he can buy his way in and i dont think they have ever gone on record as saying he is not an all time great but saying that floyd wouldnt have a 0 if he fought in there era. So i do believe you are making **** up. Wheres the proof?

and you speak for the whole world? real atg's srl and duran expressed there feelings towards floyd he is not a ATG and will be lucky if he can buy his way in and ill counter that with bhop saying floyd is top 3 all time. Floyd is one of the best of all time and his win over canelo should of shut the idiots up. But Canelo was cherry picked lol

Yes he is comfortably above Mayweather on ATG list His resume and legacy is markedly better than Mayweather's You do realize the latest discussions have been who is better all time SRR or Floyd? So where the **** does that leave pac? Floyd is and will be always above pac in th atg list and thats not hard to see when looking at skill vs skill

Pretty much the whole world disagrees with you? so that shows how biased you are and you speak for the whole world? real atg's srl and duran expressed there feelings towards floyd he is not a ATG and will be lucky if he can buy his way in

You think ATG's would even think about fighting someone like Khan? Hes a borderline HOFer and not a ATG in my book Same with Calzaghe Pretty much the whole world disagrees with you? so that shows how biased you are

He might be top 20-40 but thats pushing it

Yes, he is an ATG. Without question.

..................... just let it go larry. the "..." is a bad sign to come. it's not worth blowing up today BTW did you make the pic in your sig?

Yes and over floyd .....................

Yes and over floyd He is even if he wasnt the best at some of his weight classes (what he shared with JMM and Floyd). I believe he's a stud but under 140... I'm not silly enough to think his 147+ resume beats Floyds recent ones. Head to head, Floyd's recent resume beats Pac's if they fiught... Only exception is Bradley who has some terrific stylistic matchups with Ortrees and Guerrero. You have to look at both sides of the equation... He's the other side We all know hingsight is 20/20 so it's easy to badmouth Ortrees, Guerrero and other of Floyds opponents but some didnt believe hed even fight them as they were "so dangerous". (i remember here people laughing at the thought of Floyd fighting Ortiz "he would never fight a young powerful bull whos a southpaw lolz"). Pac is neither the midget Arum makes him out to be and if you guys want Floyd to move up to 160, Pac should to. They're about the same height, Pac probably even getting bigger than floyd in between fights. Floyds a bit taller, but people dont take into account proportions and frame. People act like Floyd isnt consistantly outweighed as well. IMO, Floyd by far has been fighting the more "legit" fights these last few. Lets not act like Rios is a better recent fight than Nelo, even at 152 (anyone remember wht Weight Pac fought to get his bogus 154 title?). Pac couldnt figh Serg for that title (neither would Floyd) lets not act like those werent straight ducks. As much as I like Pac more thab Floyd the one thing that will always be in my head is Pac's camp ractically refusing to fight Floyd the first time. The way the sport works is when the cash cow comes knockin,you say YES...beat him and become the cash cow. And ******* and floydiot? Who talks like that? >__>... Are these grown men who get mad when someone "slanders" their fighter? Grow up....Look at both sides of the equation and learn to find faults in both because it hasnt been one sided.

This thread can easily be zipped up: Neither Pac nor Floyd are ATG. ATG means you are among the finest, most accomplished, most tested fighters EVER. Because of promotional wars, watered down divisions, multiple belts, division jumping, etc its nearly impossible to find a current fighter that can be considered an ATG. It may or may not be their fault but the proper ATGs have faced the best multiple times throughout their career. You simply cannot say that about Manny and Floyd. Doug Fisher has written some good pieces about this. You are a Floydiot and your opinion means nothing like poo.

Other ATG's think Pac is an ATG like themselves. Other ATG's think Floyd is a coward and scared of Pacquiao. Floydiots can you see the big difference here?

You are right pac is not an ATG but a GOAT.

It's a valid question, considering the nonsense on here but....yes he's an ATG. If I'd have to say from this era BHop, Roy, Wlad, Floyd, Pac....that's about it. For those saying JMM .... he might be a Mexican ATG sure...but I don't think he's a boxing ATG those are two entirely different things. Kelly Pavlik is probably the GOAT alcoholic, white fighter, from youngstown....doesn't make him an ATG.

Floyd is a bad style match up for JMM and was 2 divisions above JMM, yet JMM wanted it, he dared to be great, something Floyd wont and dont do. So JMM will always be credited for believing he could do it. Floyd will be discredited for not believing in himself as much as JMM does. Floyd should fight Sergio or GGG at 160. But when anyone says that, Floyds fans say why should Floyd fight people bigger than himself and give advantages and get defensive, holding Floyd back? If Floyd is held to a higher standard supposedly, fight them then. And not the Ortiz and Guerrero and drained Canelos of this world. Man you asking for trouble....