Did u lose respect for Vitali after he quit against Byrd & avoided Haye?

Vitali quit against Chris Byrd who, at the age of 18 was fighting as a welterweight! Vitali did sustain an injury in that fight but take a look at Danny Williams - he won the Euro belt with a dislocated shoulder. Vitali got injured and quit like Victor Ortiz. Vitali also avoided David Haye since September 2011. He later said he'd fight the winner of Haye vs Chisora but instead disappeared in to obscurity following Haye's technical knockout of Chisora - something Vitali was incapable of achieving when he fought Chisora. I think he knew Haye's speed was too much of a threat to him because, if you remember, in the post-fight interview of the Chisora fight, Vitali admitted that if Chisora was a faster fighter then Vitali would have been in trouble. I used to be a big fan of Vitali and, although I'm still a fan and I'd tune in to his fights if he ever resumes his boxing career, he did lose a marginal amount of respect for some his actions during his career. So did you lose respect for Vitali? Not at all - Vitali didn't 'quit' and didn't 'duck' anybody.

Vitali saw this thread and cried. He's fought so hard for his fans and never got the respect he wanted. How could you do this, he's not perfect, he's only a man.

Your regard for klitschko could only have diminished a tiny frction, too small to be calculated. Unless........ you are using words and phrases that you don't properly know the meaning of. There are those who do this to send out a false impression fo their erudition, and one may be you. Losing "a marginal" respect, really means losing practically none. "Marginal" means something like being on the outer fringes and inconsequential.. So stop blowing your cornet until you get it in tune... The word marginal was used for this very purpose. If you read the rest of the original post you should be able to ascertain this accordingly. I mentioned clearly that "I'm still a fan and would tune into his fights". No matter how marginal the loss of respect is, it can still be tangibly diminished. Respect is not like the combined grains of sand in a desert, you take away a thousand grains but you still have a full desert. No, respect is like chocolate cake. Take away a few slices and you no longer have a full cake.

There's no shame in being a fan of a boxer so don't be ashamed to admit it. I was a big Vitali fan for a while too but certain things, some of which I've mentioned in the original post, diminished my opinion of him. It happens.. opinions of people are always subject to change. Your regard for klitschko could only have diminished a tiny frction, too small to be calculated. Unless........ you are using words and phrases that you don't properly know the meaning of. There are those who do this to send out a false impression fo their erudition, and one may be you. Losing "a marginal" respect, really means losing practically none. "Marginal" means something like being on the outer fringes and inconsequential.. So stop blowing your cornet until you get it in tune...

You may well ask "...Like who..." He has no idea who, but is just stirring the pot. In other days there was no shame in retiring from a fight with a shoulder injury or cut, and it happened on a regular basis. Of course, then, boxers fought for money to keep their families not to earn 10 mill a fight and be able to throw money around in night clubs. If you look at the records of hundreds or thousands of fighters from those days, you'll see that NOBODY ever came close to being unbeaten after say 20 fights, and indeed some of the top champions of all time lost their first fights. The greatest lightweight in history, Benny Leonard was Ko'd in his first fight and of his first four one was a win and two were No Contests. He still went on to great fame. The rubbish stirrer also doen't understand basic english and uses the wrong words at will. Very true my friend, excellent and interesting insight as always. :fing02:

Like who? In any case, there are different types of torn rotator cuff injuries as there are several different tendons and muscles that can be damaged, I'm no doctor but I suspect some are more serious than others and have a greater effect on the range of motion available. Anyway, why risk ruining an entire career and maybe even general movement when you are clearly better than your opponent? Live to fight another day. Generally, fighters or athletes continue with injuries when they feel they have to prove something, or that everything is to lose or gain by continuing and putting yourself at risk. Sometimes, the smart thing to do is to stop... BTW, heres a GIF of the supraspinatus muscle working, make of that what you will when considering how that would affect throwing a punch, and bearing in mind apparently another punch thrown would have destroyed this muscle for good http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Shoulder_motion_with_rotator_cuff_%28supraspinatus%29.gif You may well ask "...Like who..." He has no idea who, but is just stirring the pot. In other days there was no shame in retiring from a fight with a shoulder injury or cut, and it happened on a regular basis. Of course, then, boxers fought for money to keep their families not to earn 10 mill a fight and be able to throw money around in night clubs. If you look at the records of hundreds or thousands of fighters from those days, you'll see that NOBODY ever came close to being unbeaten after say 20 fights, and indeed some of the top champions of all time lost their first fights. The greatest lightweight in history, Benny Leonard was Ko'd in his first fight and of his first four one was a win and two were No Contests. He still went on to great fame. The rubbish stirrer also doen't understand basic english and uses the wrong words at will.

No, i didnt lose respect for him, he had a great career

This can't be serious right?

hi there. I'm an MD (radiologist, specialising in musculo-skeletal radiology). I have seen plenty of rotator cuff tears on MRI and US, both pre- and postoperatively. first of all, the severity of the RTC tear depends on the tendon(s) that is/are torn - the rotator cuff consists of more than one muscle. the supraspinatus is the most frequently injured tendon, and (unfortunately) also the most important one. If you have a full or higher-grade partial thickness tear, you can hardly lift your arm anymore, at least not more than 90°, without experiencing extreme pain. The problem with the supraspinatus tear is that, if it is complete, there might be muscular retraction and retraction of the tendon itself (this is f.i. also quite frequent in tears of the long head of the biceps tendon), and if that is the case, the surgeon will often be unable to re-attach the tendon. for a boxer, this would probably be the end of his career. so Vitali made a very good choice - I haven't seen his MR images, but it sounds like he had a high-grade partial thickness tear. Had he gone on, this might have progressed to a full-thickness tear. a shoulder dislocation is something completely different. here, the labrum is at risk (which, if injured, may lead to chronic instability), and there may be a bone marrow edema in the humeral head (which is fully reversible). Thank you for that excellent professional insight, green k your way - hope it becomes more clear to people how serious the injury was and that Vitali made an educated decision to prolong his career.

i find that hard to believe seeing as though theres been fighters who've went 12 15 rounds with torn rotator cups........... hi there. I'm an MD (radiologist, specialising in musculo-skeletal radiology). I have seen plenty of rotator cuff tears on MRI and US, both pre- and postoperatively. first of all, the severity of the RTC tear depends on the tendon(s) that is/are torn - the rotator cuff consists of more than one muscle. the supraspinatus is the most frequently injured tendon, and (unfortunately) also the most important one. If you have a full or higher-grade partial thickness tear, you can hardly lift your arm anymore, at least not more than 90°, without experiencing extreme pain. The problem with the supraspinatus tear is that, if it is complete, there might be muscular retraction and retraction of the tendon itself (this is f.i. also quite frequent in tears of the long head of the biceps tendon), and if that is the case, the surgeon will often be unable to re-attach the tendon. for a boxer, this would probably be the end of his career. so Vitali made a very good choice - I haven't seen his MR images, but it sounds like he had a high-grade partial thickness tear. Had he gone on, this might have progressed to a full-thickness tear. a shoulder dislocation is something completely different. here, the labrum is at risk (which, if injured, may lead to chronic instability), and there may be a bone marrow edema in the humeral head (which is fully reversible).

You know as well as I do that he avoided him, it's just painful for you to admit because you're a die hard Vitali fan. It would crush your impression of him as being a fearless warrior who would fight anyone, the reality is Vitali assessed the situation using his vast amount of boxing experience and knowledge, he saw that Haye's speed and power could actually cause him major problems so he decided to duck out of the picture.. As someone who likes the Klitschkos (Vitali in particular), I agree with you - and I don't agree with you. Yes, I am agree that Vitali has been avoiding Haye ever since the Chisora fight. I think that was when Vitali himself realized that age had caught up with him, and that his body (in particular his shoulder) could not deal with the kind of pressure any more. Up to that point, I think Vitali was ready, and willing, to face Haye - and he was certainly ready to face him at the time Haye chose to fight Valuev. Apart from that: I am convinced that the Vitali who fought Lewis/Sanders/Adamek would have annihilated Haye. The Vitali that fought Charr, on the other hand, would have lost against Haye (on points, but probably by UD).

Vitali quit against Chris Byrd who, at the age of 18 was fighting as a welterweight! Vitali did sustain an injury in that fight but take a look at Danny Williams - he won the Euro belt with a dislocated shoulder. Vitali got injured and quit like Victor Ortiz. Vitali also avoided David Haye since September 2011. He later said he'd fight the winner of Haye vs Chisora but instead disappeared in to obscurity following Haye's technical knockout of Chisora - something Vitali was incapable of achieving when he fought Chisora. I think he knew Haye's speed was too much of a threat to him because, if you remember, in the post-fight interview of the Chisora fight, Vitali admitted that if Chisora was a faster fighter then Vitali would have been in trouble. I used to be a big fan of Vitali and, although I'm still a fan and I'd tune in to his fights if he ever resumes his boxing career, he did lose a marginal amount of respect for some his actions during his career. So did you lose respect for Vitali? would you also lose respect for a guy who fells down, breaks a leg and just keeps lying there instead of running to the hospital? lol

Vitali did duck Haye it's undeniable, he flat out refused to fight him after calling him out. The whole Chisora thing was because Haye went to the presser to tell Vitali he accepted all his demands.

You evidently know nothing about me as a poster. I'm not a 'diehard' Vitali fan. You're a baiter. There's no shame in being a fan of a boxer so don't be ashamed to admit it. I was a big Vitali fan for a while too but certain things, some of which I've mentioned in the original post, diminished my opinion of him. It happens.. opinions of people are always subject to change.

You know as well as I do that he avoided him, it's just painful for you to admit because you're a die hard Vitali fan. It would crush your impression of him as being a fearless warrior who would fight anyone, the reality is Vitali assessed the situation using his vast amount of boxing experience and knowledge, he saw that Haye's speed and power could actually cause him major problems so he decided to duck out of the picture.. You evidently know nothing about me as a poster. I'm not a 'diehard' Vitali fan. You're a baiter.

Avoided Haye. :rofl: You know as well as I do that he avoided him, it's just painful for you to admit because you're a die hard Vitali fan. It would crush your impression of him as being a fearless warrior who would fight anyone, the reality is Vitali assessed the situation using his vast amount of boxing experience and knowledge, he saw that Haye's speed and power could actually cause him major problems so he decided to duck out of the picture..

I think I heard it on their movie. i find that hard to believe seeing as though theres been fighters who've went 12 15 rounds with torn rotator cups........... Like who? In any case, there are different types of torn rotator cuff injuries as there are several different tendons and muscles that can be damaged, I'm no doctor but I suspect some are more serious than others and have a greater effect on the range of motion available. Anyway, why risk ruining an entire career and maybe even general movement when you are clearly better than your opponent? Live to fight another day. Generally, fighters or athletes continue with injuries when they feel they have to prove something, or that everything is to lose or gain by continuing and putting yourself at risk. Sometimes, the smart thing to do is to stop... BTW, heres a GIF of the supraspinatus muscle working, make of that what you will when considering how that would affect throwing a punch, and bearing in mind apparently another punch thrown would have destroyed this muscle for good http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Shoulder_motion_with_rotator_cuff_%28supraspinatus%29.gif

Vitali fought Albert Sosnowski & Manuel Charr.... you didn't answer the questions

Vitali fought Albert Sosnowski & Manuel Charr.... Haye ducked Charr. ;)

LOL @ avoided Haye.