What happens?
Does Floyd's team put together the card and deliver it to Showtime?
Would Showtime have the right to not air any card the same way Floyd gets to decide who he fights?
Floyd Deal is No Different than Seattle giving Cano 240 million
Yankees giving A-rod 300 million!!!
The Money isn't Showtime Money!!! Its CBS money!!!
CBS is worth 100's of Billions of Dollars!!!
They gave Floyd that money to become the Face of PPV Boxing.....
They Took the Biggest name in the sport from the #1 company HBO for 20 plus years!!!
Just by Associating with Floyd is a Win for them and Bigger than the 200 million Contract!!
(its like Gatorade giving Jordan 100 million might seem like a bad deal but 25 years later how much millions did that deal made them plus they are a household name)
For you 3rd world Fan-Boys that don't know **** about how sports Contract work in America look it up!!!
If Seattle gave Cano 240 million a season thats around 25 Mil per and their attendance sucks..can they void the contract?? NO as long as Cano is playing he will get his money!!!
Floyd deal is No different than any other North American Sports Deal its 30 million no matter who he fights!! but CBS/Show time incentive for him to fight against Great fighters!! is the PPV the more buys he gets the more money he can make!! 80-100 million against canelo...its on Floyd to Maximize that 30 million to 80-100 million
Lebron winning MVP,all NBA first team and other Accolades are into his contract too as a Bonus thats how it works here!
And you know damn well that will not be your last post responding to me. You are a f-cking P-ctard and you will leave when I tell you to leave. Get back here and respond to my post you little b-tch.
LOL, wtf is your argument exactly? I mean I see you typing these novels and mentioning Thomas Hauser and saying my post is wrong, but you're not saying much else after that. You sound like your usual butthurt self in any Floyd related thread.
You added a bunch of BS to my original post, taking it and deducting crap that doesn't even get deducted off the revenue. Like the 39% tax. And a bunch of crap you don't even know gets deducted.
Out of the $150million PPV revenue, $75mill goes for Mayweather/Canelo and the rest of the fighters and promoter to break up. It's not that complicated, you are making the math harder to understand than it really is.
BOY are you STOOOOOPID...... I've explained the whole point of my original response to your...well, I'd be very complimentary by calling it "simplistic" caveman arithmetic... 3-4 times already and you still don't get it..... I was enjoying it at first...you know, the way you can enjoy a vaguely witty comment, but this is getting past a joke. I'm not going to respond further. I suggest that you read over VERY CAREFULLY, my very first response to your nonsensical breakdown of Alvarez-Mayweather, and don't progress to the next word until you are SURE you understand the text, and the obvious meaning of it..... Goodbye, it's been ........ well, not exactly nice...... but tiresomely humourous..
Don't worry me boy,, you certainly you don't "hang out" with me...if you did..I'd never be able to live it down. And as for the "retarded forum" you mention. I'm surprised that you can even recognise it as it actually is. I've been trying to uplift it's intelligence level for the past 5 years, but when guys like you come on, it weighs the "stoopid" level down too much.
In truth, I would have quit this den of feeble-minded persons (which you so excellently personify) but that I was urged by those to whom I'd presented all my "points" not to.
But...reading nonsense like yours is hard on my tolerance level......
Bunch of hot air, hasn't even attempted to make his own break down of how the PPV money is distributed :lol1:
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Do you even hear yourself? How could Golden Boy use that as a negotiating tactic or leverage to make Floyd Mayweather their slave? Floyd Mayweather was already a proven PPV fighter by that time and had been on HBO many times! You cannot be serious! I read everything, and said none of it backs up your allegation that he's a slave to Golden Boy.
Gee Whizz..another DUMBO. They're all piling of of the wormholes. That was a direct QUOTE from a THOMAS HAUSER (you've maybe heard of him) article. I didn't make it up. I'm not a half-witted BoxingScene poster,....at least not yet, although dealing with cretins who constantly display no comprehension, could drive even a saint crazy.
And...... where did I "allege" that anyone was a slave of Golden Boy...?
Your remarks of my "allege", implies that I made it up.... If you could understand my posts of "excerpts of an article by THOMAS HAUSER" then you would (at least you "SHOULD") not be accusing me of loose-minded alleging. I in fact did not so "allege". I'm not sure if it was a quote from one of his books or a quote form one of his well researched articles, but it did not come from my mind. Your comment, on the other hand, DID come from your "alleged" mind.........
Boy oh BOY... are you STOOOPID. You've missed the whole point, even though I posted to you TWICE. If I were you i wouldn't show anything to your "professor"... the IRS employee. He might be tempted to actually look at your work and fail you miserably for lack of comprehension....IN SPADES.....
You don't seem to understand ANYTHING....
FOR BOTH KEV AND RADIORAHEEM...Don't worry me boys, you certainly you don't "hang out" with me...if you did..I'd never be able to live it down. And as for the "retarded forum" you mention. I'm surprised that you can even recognise it as it actually is. I've been trying to uplift it's intelligence level for the past 5 years, but when guys like you come on, it weighs the "stoopid" level down too much.
In truth, I would have quit this den of feeble-minded persons (which you so excellently personify) but that I was urged by those to whom I'd presented all my "points" not to.
But...reading nonsense like yours is hard on my tolerance level......
You added a bunch of BS to my original post, taking it and deducting crap that doesn't even get deducted off the revenue. Like the 39% tax. And a bunch of crap you don't even know gets deducted.
Out of the $150million PPV revenue, $75mill goes for Mayweather/Canelo and the rest of the fighters and promoter to break up. It's not that complicated, you are making the math harder to understand than it really is.
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You added a bunch of BS to my original post, taking it and deducting crap that doesn't even get deducted off the revenue. Like the 39% tax. And a bunch of crap you don't even know gets deducted.
Out of the $150million PPV revenue, $75mill goes for Mayweather/Canelo and the rest of the fighters and promoter to break up. It's not that complicated, you are making the math harder to understand than it really is.
You must have missed this part........ but it's part of the quote I posted...... Maybe you're one of those "speed readers". I always think they skip over the difficult sentences.....
****HBO’s output deal with Golden Boy wasn’t based on fighters that Golden Boy had. It was based on fighters that Golden Boy was expected to sign in the future because it now had financial backing from the network and could tell fighters, “Sign with us. We can put you on HBO.” ****
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Do you even hear yourself? How could Golden Boy use that as a negotiating tactic or leverage to make Floyd Mayweather their slave? Floyd Mayweather was already a proven PPV fighter by that time and had been on HBO many times! You cannot be serious! I read everything, and said none of it backs up your allegation that he's a slave to Golden Boy.
Again trying to pass off his opinions as fact.
No matter how long it takes to get full revenue from a PPV, Floyd gets his check in a timely manner.
What a beautifully "trite" phrase.... "in a timely manner" ..are you taking this out of a 10 cent quote book of business terms published in 1870....??
Most of the things you have is opinionated.
The only fact you stated is that the networks get 50% of the PPV revenue. Everything else, you falsely added in there.
You are simply retarded if you actually believe there was $37 million left to pay Mayweather, Canelo, Garcia, Matthysse, Smith, Molina, etc. That is just retarded and I am 100% sure that you took that information out of your ass. I would say "You can't be that stupid", but seeing your opinionated posts in the past that you try to pass off as facts with no credibility whatsoever, you are that stupid.
Your PPV breakdown is so retarded that I am tempted to show it to my tax professor, who is also an IRS employee. But honestly, I don't want him to start questioning who I hang out with or from what retarded forum did I get that post from.
Boy oh BOY... are you STOOOPID. You've missed the whole point, even though I posted to you TWICE. If I were you i wouldn't show anything to your "professor"... the IRS employee. He might be tempted to actually look at your work and fail you miserably for lack of comprehension....IN SPADES.....
You don't seem to understand ANYTHING....
The very information you posts alleges that networks are mingling directly in Promoting and Paying fighters, rather than the Promoters themselves. And it makes it even easier for a major fighter to be independent of a Promoter like Top Rank and Golden Boy.
Miguel Cotto has been negotiating a fight with two different promoters (Top Rank and Golden Boy). The Sergio Martinez bout would be with HBO. The Canelo Alvarez fight -- Showtime. Miguel Cotto is fighting on a contract by contract basis with Promoters. And that's just Cotto. But yet, you think Mayweather is a slave to Golden Boy, while Miguel is the free man dealing with whatever Promoter he feels like on a fight by fight basis.
You must have missed this part........ but it's part of the quote I posted...... Maybe you're one of those "speed readers". I always think they skip over the difficult sentences.....
****HBO’s output deal with Golden Boy wasn’t based on fighters that Golden Boy had. It was based on fighters that Golden Boy was expected to sign in the future because it now had financial backing from the network and could tell fighters, “Sign with us. We can put you on HBO.” ****
Laugh as you will. It's well known that weak intellects drool foolishly over the simplest things.... those being all they can assimilate in their poor little heads.
Not their fault... of course. It's a miracle they can even write.
Most of the things you have is opinionated.
The only fact you stated is that the networks get 50% of the PPV revenue. Everything else, you falsely added in there.
You are simply retarded if you actually believe there was $37 million left to pay Mayweather, Canelo, Garcia, Matthysse, Smith, Molina, etc. That is just retarded and I am 100% sure that you took that information out of your ass. I would say "You can't be that stupid", but seeing your opinionated posts in the past that you try to pass off as facts with no credibility whatsoever, you are that stupid.
Your PPV breakdown is so retarded that I am tempted to show it to my tax professor, who is also an IRS employee. But honestly, I don't want him to start questioning who I hang out with or from what retarded forum did I get that post from.
With your opening sentence I thought I was in for a good schooling.
This guy thinks that there was only $37million to distribute for the Mayweather-Canelo fight including the undercard. And this guy is really bringing up the IRS right off the bat. You really don't know sh-t about what you are talking about.
BTW, before using more advanced vocab at least learn how to spell them. You misspelled Rumored, Fantasized, Mythologized, Bumphed(doesn't even exist) and philanthropic.
If you would ONLY..if you could... READ my second last sentence, you would see the whole silly exercise that you began when you posted the original rubbish, was justified right there..... And please note that MY "accounting" which was based on your original foolish "accounting" system, makes a lot more sense than yours.
Naturally, we have no idea as to the formulae they use for their expense accounts, their IRS claims, the position in the list where the IRS takes it's cut, whether for projected income or income already received, etc. etc. etc. You may not be aware...although it's probably been written on these pages about 50 times, that it takes UP TO A YEAR, for all the streams of income to finally come in and be totalled.
And, don'tworry, there's is no way of "schooling" you.... As your posts reveal, that opportunity was lost years ago when you were ducking out of Primary School.
From your posts, nobody will ever accuse you of needing to unbutton your collar to take off your shirt.
For RadioRaheem. I wasn't disputing with my own imagination as you suggest. I read all this on several sites INCLUDING articles on the subject by reputable BoxingScene writers. You and I are presently disputing on BoxingScene. Surely you are not going to tell me that we aren't??
I am just referring to your first paragraph or sentences. It is a WELL KNOWN INDUSTRY FACT that Oscar was getting preferential treatment from HBO for many years,, and the other promoters were absolutely raging about it. I've seen it reported and sicussed all over the place. I'm not going to get into an argument about such a well known fact.
As a matter of interest I just found this below. It may have been the original reason of the enemity between Arum and Mayweather. He wanted Phoney to take a tougher fight....
Frankly, I have no idea as to why you want to make it a point of dispute....??
**** Arum also filed a lawsuit against HBO for overstepping its boundaries in the sport by becoming a defacto promoter while trying to intentionally eliminate him as a promoter. Arum complained that HBO dropped Floyd Mayweather Jr. from his exclusive deal after he insisted his fighter have a tougher bout than the network wanted. The suit was settled out of court but Arum continued to criticize HBO by saying "Instead of working with promoters, like they have done in the past, they have become promoters themselves. They make the fights just like promoters and pay fighters", Arum said. "It's their money and they can do what they want, but Don King doesn't have to go along with it and neither do I. King and I can get along without HBO or Showtime...The problem HBO Sports got into is they became defenders of the status quo. They held you back because they had control." ****
This was reported in BoxingScene too, as I recall.
+++++ And HERE BELOW is an excerpt from a Thomas Hauser article in SECONDZ OUT, a prestigious boxing publicaton.+++++
"HBO’s output deal with Golden Boy wasn’t based on fighters that Golden Boy had. It was based on fighters that Golden Boy was expected to sign in the future because it now had financial backing from the network and could tell fighters, “Sign with us. We can put you on HBO.”
It’s widely acknowledged within HBO that the Golden Boy output deal was a mistake and won’t be renewed when it expires. Asked whether he would enter into the deal if he could do things over again, Greenburg answers, “That’s a tough question. When we made that deal, it was a different time and boxing was in a different place than it is today.”
Either way, there’s a widespread belief that the HBO-Golden Boy output deal tilted the playing field in boxing beyond its contractual terms. That’s because HBO is thought by many to have performed additional favors for Golden Boy after the contract was signed in order to give value to the network’s rights under the contract.
One common allegation among rival promoters is that, in recent years, HBO has steered fighters such as Amir Khan (who signed a three-fight deal with Golden Boy six months ago) to Schaefer and company.
“That’s ridiculous,” says Greenburg. “We’ve been adamant about never steering any fighter to any promoter. That’s a nasty dangerous bad game. I take offense that anyone would suggest that. It just doesn’t happen. I won’t let that happen. And if it does happen on my watch, there would be severe ramifications.”++++++
So you see, in this case, where there was smoke....there was fire too.......
The very information you posts alleges that networks are mingling directly in Promoting and Paying fighters, rather than the Promoters themselves. And it makes it even easier for a major fighter to be independent of a Promoter like Top Rank and Golden Boy.
Miguel Cotto has been negotiating a fight with two different promoters (Top Rank and Golden Boy). The Sergio Martinez bout would be with HBO. The Canelo Alvarez fight -- Showtime. Miguel Cotto is fighting on a contract by contract basis with Promoters. And that's just Cotto. But yet, you think Mayweather is a slave to Golden Boy, while Miguel is the free man dealing with whatever Promoter he feels like on a fight by fight basis.
According to my sources, codenamed edgarg, what you say here is impossible. In the 2.4 million PPV sales for DLH-Mayweather, only $20 bucks was left of the $120-130million generated in PPV revenue and $19mill gate. These $20 bucks was split up by 80-20, so DLH got $16 dollars and Floyd got $4 dollars. Taking the bit that IRS rakes in, Mayweather and DLH would have been lucky to take home $2-5 dollars.
Laugh as you will. It's well known that weak intellects drool foolishly over the simplest things.... those being all they can assimilate in their poor little heads.
Not their fault... of course. It's a miracle they can even write.
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