Mayweather has grown on me

With the exception of Canelo, I can't recall much of public yearning for Floyd to fight his last several opponents. Judah after several losses? Marquez after several losses? Cotto after a couple of serious beatings? Ortiz after Maidana? Mosely after multiple losses? Sharmba Mitchell? Gatti? Come on. An All Time Great can do better. Are you asking for him to fight Pac after JMM?

I'm sure this has been posted before but I just saw it for the first time today. Manny is asked about Mayweather calling him a has been. He doesn't react like Floyd does when Floyd is asked about him. http ://youtu.be/qiaswwJBd9k?t=2m13s I haven't made enough posts yet to post links.

i'll take a crack at this. Without giving reasons or explanations on why certain fights didn't happen or whose fault it was. He didn't fight kostya tszyu while passing through the light-welterweight division. Without pointing fingers, that fight could've been hard to make because of tszyu (the real 140 champ), but it also didn't help that floyd was fond of the green wbc belts and his mentality was/is that the guy with the green belt is the real champion. Statistically, he was right in choosing baldomir over margarito in that baldomir was recognized as the real welterweight champ after upsetting judah. But subjectively, as a wbo title holder, margarito was a top welterweight for a much longer period than baldomir - who just recently became champion. And considering that he still took the time to fight judah (the former champion coming off of a loss) for the ibf belt which zab only kept because baldomir didn't pay the ibf's sanctioning fee, some can say that he could've done the same with margarito. Now, the timing is problematic because after baldomir, the big money fighter (delahoya) came calling and who would turn that down after the baldomir fight (which fans in attendance walked out on). He did manage to get in another fight after oscar by beating ricky hatton, which was a good fight and a good victory over a undefeated fighter, albeit a failed welterweight who took his balls back to 140 after almost losing to light-punching boxer louis collazo for the ibf welterweight title. So even though he made a defense against p4p guy, his first welterweight title defense was against a failed welterweight who wasn't even a 147-contender/title holder. That's ok though because you can always fight the margarito's and the up and coming cotto afterwards right? No, because he took two year layoff and the top contenders all fought each other in a round robin of sorts with mosley coming out on top at the end of it all (having lost to cotto, cotto having lost to margarito and margarito losing to mosley who was scheduled to defend against berto with the fight ending up cancelled). So after facing a lightweight champion in marquez who moved up two weight divisions (not a top welterweight or even a 147 contender) after a two year layoff.... Technically like with baldomir, he did the right thing and faced mosley therefore you can't criticize him. Then he did make a title defense against (technically) a top contender in victor ortiz - who did grab his wbc belt while he was taking another lengthy break, but like baldomir before, ortiz is again a new comer, while ignoring the top guy (pacquiao) who was a top 147 contender for a much longer time. The gap in not fighting vs fighting the technically correct guy (i.e. Lineal champ baldomir, lineal champ mosley, new wbc champ ortiz) is the whole crux of the matter, and why the never ending battle between flomos, pactards and all kinds of third party participants remains to this day. The end. /thread.....

mayweather got a 10 million guarantee to fight hoya. you think 140 pound cotto was worth the same? it's called pricing yourself out buddy. No its called Bob Arum not wanting the fight to happen....back in 2005/06 he said Cotto was not ready and he needed to be built up more, he wanted it built up like the Leonard/Duran fight(let me know if u want link) Here is case you need facts: The announcement of welterweight WBC champion Floyd Mayweather taking on World Boxing Association (WBA) junior middleweight champion Miguel Cotto was of no shock to me. These two have a history together. And it’s a fight that should have taken place years ago. Contrary to popular belief that Mayweather ducked Cotto, it was two words that kept this fight from happening; Bob Arum. In 2006 Floyd Mayweather was set to face Antonio Margarito on August 12th of that year for 8 million dollars. Arum said Mayweather had no problem facing Margarito, but he wanted a 10 million dollar guarantee to fight Cotto and Ricky Hatton. The problem came when Arum only offered him 7 million. Instead Mayweather bought out his contract for 750,000 dollars and took over his own career. I can’t really blame Mayweather for making this move. Why fight for 8 million and then take a pay cut in his next bout? Mayweather was set to fight Cotto after Mayweather took apart Arturo Gatti. But it was Arum who said it was too soon and he needed to build up the fight some more. According to Mayweather, the fight was supposed to take place after the Henry Bruseles fight whom he took apart in eight rounds. Bruseles was a “test” fight to see how Mayweather would fare against Cotto. It is also note worthy that Cotto was Bruseles’s lead sparring partner. From ESPN article: The reason Mayweather opted for the buyout rather than waiting for the May 6 result was because the contract had a limited window for the buyout, one that expired before the De La Hoya fight. However, Arum said he would have extended the window if Mayweather had asked. What Arum wouldn't do, he said, was raise the guarantees for other fights outlined in the contract. Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million. Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in. "That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road." Ellerbe said Mayweather opted for the buyout so he could be "more in control of when and who he fights next. It's as simple as that. There is nothing bad between Floyd and Bob." So with Arum saying he would have fought Margarito.....let's just discount that...Arum did not want to give him 10 mil for Hatton/Cotto after Marg fight. According to u, he priced himself out.....please tell me what Mayweather ended up earning against DLH/Cotto and Hatton? I'll wait. :dance:

So. "and lol @ drinking water even before the weigh-in. I think that may take away the point of dehydrating" He weighed in at 153 against Trout. So what! This means you aren't being fair and backing a fighter who doesn't like catch-weights. Smh. Canelo was partly drained, PERIOD. That win meant absolutely nothing just like the wins against Ortiz, The Ghost, Marquez, etc. He is a bully and con-artist who will soon LOSE. Karma loves to pay those back who underestimate it. Anyway, there isn't a fight left for Floyd or Manny but each other. If they don't fight in May, Floyd should most definitely retire because he doesn't have four fights left in his 37 year old body. He'll end up losing to a lesser fighter. WATCH. His place in history will be a mere HOF'mer and that's it. He missed his chance to be an ATG, long ago.

Lets not pretend the RING is the same as a lineal championship. The RING belt is garbage in today's boxing world. This is why he should just cash out and fight guys like Khan (biggest money fights) No matter what he does he will be discredited. He has been at the top of the sport for 17 years. Look at his last 10 opponents and tell me who has a better list of fighters they have beaten. :boxing:

Floyd is too good, for his own good. He has to retire and be gone for years to get that respect

i agree, i used to be one of guys that just thought floyd cherry picks his fights even though i was a fan of his talent. the older and wiser he gets the more i respect him. he's definitely one of the greatest regardless if he loses

The Ring*Lineal Championship*Titles: Lineal*Super Featherweight*Champion*(130*lbs) The Ring*Lightweight Champion*(135*lbs) The Ring*Welterweight Champion*(147*lbs) The Ring*Jr. Middleweight Champion*(154*lbs) He beat the 140lb champ Rickey Hatton at 147lb, so he pretty much beat the #1 guy in every other weight division. Its not his fault all the big name fighters were ducking him before he became a PPV star. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhIB8be86w4 Lets not pretend the RING is the same as a lineal championship. The RING belt is garbage in todays boxing world.

I admire Floyd cherry picking skills. Ducked Oscar rematch $$$ because he barely won. Dragged Haton to 147. Dragged Marquez to 144 then came overweight. Faked his retirement to duck prime Margarito and prime Cotto then fought them after a decade later. Sucker punched Ortiz. Guerrero who? He weight drained Canelo. Now he is fighting Khan. WTF

I admire Floyd cherry picking skills. Ducked Oscar rematch $$$ because he barely won. Dragged Haton 140 to 147. Dragged Marquez to 144 then came overweight. Faked his retirement to duck prime Margarito and prime Cotto then fought them after a decade later. Sucker punched Ortiz. Guerrero who? He weight drained Canelo. Now he is fighting Khan. WTF

The Ring*Lineal Championship*Titles: Lineal*Super Featherweight*Champion*(130*lbs) The Ring*Lightweight Champion*(135*lbs) The Ring*Welterweight Champion*(147*lbs) The Ring*Jr. Middleweight Champion*(154*lbs) He beat the 140lb champ Rickey Hatton at 147lb, so he pretty much beat the #1 guy in every other weight division. Its not his fault all the big name fighters were ducking him before he became a PPV star. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhIB8be86w4

Only the simple minded and uneducated judge the surface and then proceed to attack without any factual information in return. I do not expect everyone here to be an intellectually orientated poster so I can't blame you. Fact is, being an own boss doesn't require from two other bosses in order to come to decisions. He claimed it was all up to him at one point, now he claims it depends on his team which include the head chiefs at GB Promotions. Last time I heard Golden boy always say they have to talk to floyd about getting a fight made floyd talk to his management team golden boy just helps with the promotion side. But yeah floyd has fought good level fighters just as good as any other boxers in this era has if any one dare say manny has fought better is a ****ing lie cause he have fought some of the same fighter floyd got criticized for and most after floyd. The Hate gotta stop guys yall know as well as anyone else floyd is the best boxing hws to offer.

He's grown on me since the Mosley fight, although the Ortiz sucker punch temporarily made me dislike him again. To me, he's at a point where even though he's the most sought out undefeated record, it won't be as satisfying as Broner losing his 0.

Canelo was drained. WHY did he have to fight Canelo at 152lbs? Hmmmmm. What was he concerned about? His HEALTH? Hahaha. Canelo had never looked so skinny and defined before. At the weigh-in, he sat down and immediately started drinking water. And this was before they weighed in. Smh again. Floyd said two days before the fight that he has spies in Canelo's camp and knew he wasn't eating. Meanwhile Floyd boasted about eating pizza and whatever he wants. **** HIM!!!!!!!!! He's a fraud and you cats still want to defend him. There is nothing to defend. Hell, he won't even defend his title against his mandatory, which is Manny. BUT he fought The Ghost because he was the #er 1 challenger. Smh AGAIN. Floyd receives just criticism for the catchweight... no doubt. I understand the idea of "there must have been a reason for 152". But was Canelo really weight drained at 152? He weighed 153 for his fight with Trout. I didn't see a problem with his punch resistance or stamina, the usual effects of weight draining. I think the catchweight is just a convenient excuse to disregard the fight. Just like it is easy to disregard the Cotto win at 145 for the Pacman Was a stupid move by Floyd. and lol @ drinking water even before the weigh-in. I think that may take away the point of dehydrating...

Great post TS, the only opponent who he could be criticized for at the time was Marquez but even then he was coming off of a 2 year layoff and Marquez still went on to do greats things in the division. Since his return in 2009 he's faced exactly who I've wanted him to, of course all this can change if he faces Khan. People say who do you think realisticly think could beat Floyd, and Floyd responds with draining Canelo to make sure he doesn't lose to canelo. Floiyd rarely fights p4p fighters. People only wanted him to fight canelo because Floyd didn't want p4p fighters like Pac and Sergio as opponents.

Fifth, fighters fight tomato cans up until they step up to the big leagues. That percentage doesn't really mean much in a sport where fighters are slowly and safely taken along the path until they get the chance to get a big pay day. he said of his past 20 fights, those are all championship caliber fighters.

Canelo was drained. WHY did he have to fight Canelo at 152lbs? Hmmmmm. What was he concerned about? His HEALTH? Hahaha. Canelo had never looked so skinny and defined before. At the weigh-in, he sat down and immediately started drinking water. And this was before they weighed in. Smh again. Floyd said two days before the fight that he has spies in Canelo's camp and knew he wasn't eating. Meanwhile Floyd boasted about eating pizza and whatever he wants. **** HIM!!!!!!!!! He's a fraud and you cats still want to defend him. There is nothing to defend. Hell, he won't even defend his title against his mandatory, which is Manny. BUT he fought The Ghost because he was the #er 1 challenger. Smh AGAIN. :lol1: :lol1:

Smh. Canelo was drained. WHY did he have to fight Canelo at 152lbs? Hmmmmm. What was he concerned about? His HEALTH? Hahaha. Canelo had never looked so skinny and defined before. At the weigh-in, he sat down and immediately started drinking water. And this was before they weighed in. Smh again. Floyd said two days before the fight that he has spies in Canelo's camp and knew he wasn't eating. Meanwhile Floyd boasted about eating pizza and whatever he wants. **** HIM!!!!!!!!! He's a fraud and you cats still want to defend him. There is nothing to defend. Hell, he won't even defend his title against his mandatory, which is Manny. BUT he fought The Ghost because he was the #er 1 challenger. Smh AGAIN.

That's creepy. First off, he isn't his own boss. He claimed so for a while but the reality is GB is his promoter, he even said so in his latest video. Second, there is an opponent on his level he has been ducking for 5 years and counting. Even after that opponent became his mandatory he said and I quote, "He can have the belt.". Third, it's not that there aren't fighters on his level, it's that he chooses fighters under his level in order to make himself shine. That's a technique used in several fields and it always works. Fourth, having people tune in to see your downfall is not something to be proud of as a civil human being. To know that many people wish to see your downfall should make you reconsider your behavior and the way you present yourself. You don't need to be a dislikable figure in order to be successful, Manny Pacquiao is a prime example of that. Floyd's lack of excitement however requires him to do so in order to gain attention. Fifth, fighters fight tomato cans up until they step up to the big leagues. That percentage doesn't really mean much in a sport where fighters are slowly and safely taken along the path until they get the chance to get a big pay day. And last but not least, he could've fought Cotto back in 2008 when he decided to retire. You know, when Cotto was still in his prime and one of the biggest names in the division. Same with Margarito. Same with Mosley. He chose to play it safe and wait until they got beat and worn out; just like he is trying to do with Pacquiao. Just like the few fans he has, he has got you brainwashed too and that is okay. Weak minded people are easily manipulatable. I don't know if Floyd is his own boss or not. Noone does apart from those involved. I do find it suspicious how Schaefer is always lurking around any potential Floyd/Arum negotiations though.. You can say Floyd ducked Pacquiao, but I think Floyd isn't 100% to blame. Fighters under his level? Apart from Pacquiao, who should Floyd's last opponents have been? Prime Mosley, Margarito etc whatever, sure theres a case for that, but noone has a perfect record of consistently fighting the best there are. The last part of your post is just, meh. Doesn't need to be there. Posters like you seem (from what i've seen) to ignore the fact Floyd has fans that are critical of him, i'm sure Pacquiao has too.