It's times like these I miss a prime Punisher.

Ask quintana if williams doesnt have power,, if williams sits on his punches he could be a devastating puncher, problem was that he rarely ever did that,, I think it would be a hell of a fight,, I just think that cotto would not like the pressure that paul would bring,,, the times i have seen cotto struggle has been against pressure type guys like torres, margs, mayorga, clottey,, Cotto likes to box, setup his shots and unload when guys are against the ropes like he did delvin.. but with williams, cotto would be forced to fight every second of the fight, and in fights like that he doesnt perform as well, and i can see williams stealing alot of rounds due to workrate just like how it got him past serg and lara,, the judges loved paul for whatever reason.. In the middle of the ring williams would charge into cotto, and i have never seen anyone push paul backwards long enough to trap him on the ropes, and that is exactly cotto's method.. I just think williams come forward relentless assault would take cotto out of his comfort zone, and allow paul to steal some rounds, because cotto is never going to be able to push him back and trap him against the ropes to setup his body shots,,,, I think it would be a classic battle, i just gotta give paul a slight edge and a win via close decision Williams' chin, volume punching, and size would be advantages against Cotto, but he always gave up his size and fought close to his opponent. Cotto wouldn't have to fight his way in and could get to Williams' body. Cotto's jab and underrated footwork would also give Williams problems, similar to how Quintana troubled him. Williams could punch when he sat down on his shots, but like you say, he rarely did that and mostly aimed to score with his shots rather than hurt his opponent. Cotto wouldn't have to be as gun shy against a guy with less power and would be firing back. Williams isn't a easy night in the ring for anyone, but I think Cotto is a level or two above him and it would show on fight night.

Well you mentioned Floyd vs Khan in your OP, so you're the one who's comparing prime to past prime since Floyd is past prime. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Doesn't change tread point. You can point that out from here till neverary. Still doesn't mean anything concerning my topic. Nor will I dispute that. On a side not still comparing prime to past prime huh?? Well you mentioned Floyd vs Khan in your OP, so you're the one who's comparing prime to past prime since Floyd is past prime.

Prime or not, he won a disputed decision against Lara and said he had no reason to fight him again, that shows he needed a reason to fight somebody, he needed to have something to gain, which is different from this 'he fought all comers' image you're trying to paint. As a side note, Floyd won a disputed decision against Castillo and gave him an immediate rematch to erase all doubts. This is the man you're dissing in your OP. Doesn't change tread point. You can point that out from here till neverary. Still doesn't mean anything concerning my topic. Nor will I dispute that. On a side not still comparing prime to past prime huh??

Ok so "Prime Punisher" ducked no one but "Passed Prime" Punisher did then? That's fair. You did make the statment "The Punisher ducked no man" in the OP, you should edit that to "Prime Punisher" so this confusion doesn't arise. And if Prime and passed Prime hold different standards in regards to cherry picking and avoiding fights then again, you should take Mayweather out the OP because he's not in his prime so it's not really a fair comparison. And I never compared ducking Lara to fighting Amir Khan. Everythings a comparison with you :lol1: I just said that if fighters can't avoid fighters or cherry pick fights when they're passed their prime or it doesn't count when they're passed their prime then Floyd's cherry pick of Khan shouldn't count much like Williams avoiding Lara doesn't count. Was going to say this, but you already did.

Prime or not, he won a disputed decision against Lara and said he had no reason to fight him again, that shows he needed a reason to fight somebody, he needed to have something to gain, which is different from this 'he fought all comers' image you're trying to paint. Man I was sick when they gave that fight to Williams...and he KNEW he lost. Lara did whatever he wanted in there. and the bold was terrible! As a side note, Floyd won a disputed decision against Castillo and gave him an immediate rematch to erase all doubts. This is the man you're dissing in your OP. Which is why this thread is hilarious.

This thread is hilarious man. But always, I wish Williams the best as far as his health.

Williams has destroyed many fighters with his non stop punching. Cotto doesn't do well against volume punchers, particularly tall southpaws. I think Williams would overwhelm and break down a prime Cotto, this would be nasty. Prime or not, he won a disputed decision against Lara and said he had no reason to fight him again, that shows he needed a reason to fight somebody, he needed to have something to gain, which is different from this 'he fought all comers' image you're trying to paint. As a side note, Floyd won a disputed decision against Castillo and gave him an immediate rematch to erase all doubts. This is the man you're dissing in your OP. That statement is like saying Bradley beat Pacquiao and at least in that fight the judges didn't get suspended. That being said Pwilliams would be fun as hell to watch and would beat most in 154 even tho he couldn't beat Lara he sure beat him up more than anybody else has including Angulo, he was the guy who made Lara man up and fight his heart out he couldn't just cruise I would love have loved to see the Lara of today in a "Grudge rematch" against Pwilliams without a doubt.

That's his problem he jumped ship early and got beat. The idea of Paul Williams destroying a fighter is hilarious. Death by a 1000 slaps :lol1: Cotto breaks him in half. Williams has destroyed many fighters with his non stop punching. Cotto doesn't do well against volume punchers, particularly tall southpaws. I think Williams would overwhelm and break down a prime Cotto, this would be nasty. Did he bring the tread down?? Now make no mistake, even I knew Lara beat the Punisher. However they did fight and the Punisher was not prime. Therefore as the tread title states and the fact that he did fight Lara goes, My points still stand and he's brought nothing down. Prime or not, he won a disputed decision against Lara and said he had no reason to fight him again, that shows he needed a reason to fight somebody, he needed to have something to gain, which is different from this 'he fought all comers' image you're trying to paint. As a side note, Floyd won a disputed decision against Castillo and gave him an immediate rematch to erase all doubts. This is the man you're dissing in your OP.

The bottom line is this, a prime Punisher (as my opening post states), never ducked anyone. Period. No matter how you try and twist it, that statement stands. My tread was that I miss a prime Punisher because he never ducked anyone. That has absolutely nothing to do with him avoiding the Lara rematch. Nor does that compare the the pfp king fighting Amir Khan. So you cannot barge in here and start to debate me on things I did not say like if I did say them. I am not getting into the Lara rematch cause that hasd nothing to do with my original post that a prime Punisher never ducked anyone. Williams rejected an immediate rematch with both Margarito and Sergio Martinez. He didn't give Lara a rematch either. And :lol1: @ him being past his prime. He fought the same way. He just got beat by better fighters. He didn't have a hard style to figure out.

Ok so "Prime Punisher" ducked no one but "Passed Prime" Punisher did then? That's fair. You did make the statment "The Punisher ducked no man" in the OP, you should edit that to "Prime Punisher" so this confusion doesn't arise. And if Prime and passed Prime hold different standards in regards to cherry picking and avoiding fights then again, you should take Mayweather out the OP because he's not in his prime so it's not really a fair comparison. And I never compared ducking Lara to fighting Amir Khan. Everythings a comparison with you :lol1: I just said that if fighters can't avoid fighters or cherry pick fights when they're passed their prime or it doesn't count when they're passed their prime then Floyd's cherry pick of Khan shouldn't count much like Williams avoiding Lara doesn't count. Period. it would be like me saying "a prime Roy Jones never lost". Then have you counter with,"not true, some guy in Australia ko'd him just last year". But your post would be irrelevant and incorrect cause that guy in Australia didn't beat a prime Roy. So like I've said, you can't bring up Lara as a response to "I miss a prime Punisher cause he never ducked anyone". You can talk about Lara and point out that he did say no to the rematch. But that still has no bearing on a prime Punisher.

The bottom line is this, a prime Punisher (as my opening post states), never ducked anyone. Period. No matter how you try and twist it, that statement stands. My tread was that I miss a prime Punisher because he never ducked anyone. That has absolutely nothing to do with him avoiding the Lara rematch. Nor does that compare the the pfp king fighting Amir Khan. So you cannot barge in here and start to debate me on things I did not say like if I did say them. I am not getting into the Lara rematch cause that hasd nothing to do with my original post that a prime Punisher never ducked anyone. Ok so "Prime Punisher" ducked no one but "Passed Prime" Punisher did then? That's fair. You did make the statment "The Punisher ducked no man" in the OP, you should edit that to "Prime Punisher" so this confusion doesn't arise. And if Prime and passed Prime hold different standards in regards to cherry picking and avoiding fights then again, you should take Mayweather out the OP because he's not in his prime so it's not really a fair comparison. And I never compared ducking Lara to fighting Amir Khan. Everythings a comparison with you :lol1: I just said that if fighters can't avoid fighters or cherry pick fights when they're passed their prime or it doesn't count when they're passed their prime then Floyd's cherry pick of Khan shouldn't count much like Williams avoiding Lara doesn't count.

Right. But passed prime none the less, no? And well passed it at that. Are you eligible to avoid fights when you're passed your prime? Or not? Because Williams clearly avoided the Lara rematch but that doesn't count does it? Because he was passed his prime? The bottom line is this, a prime Punisher (as my opening post states), never ducked anyone. Period. No matter how you try and twist it, that statement stands. My tread was that I miss a prime Punisher because he never ducked anyone. That has absolutely nothing to do with him avoiding the Lara rematch. Nor does that compare the the pfp king fighting Amir Khan. So you cannot barge in here and start to debate me on things I did not say like if I did say them. I am not getting into the Lara rematch cause that hasd nothing to do with my original post that a prime Punisher never ducked anyone.

Cotto dominated and stopped Quintana in his first WW fight. Williams lost a clear decision and then a TKO 1 in the rematch. His size would give Cotto problems and his high output, but he doesn't have the power to keep Cotto honest and thinking before he comes in. Williams preferred a dog fight on the inside and Cotto would happily oblige him while tearing into him with the harder shots. Marg's slow start really hurt him against PW, once he started going that became a live fight very quickly. Ask quintana if williams doesnt have power,, if williams sits on his punches he could be a devastating puncher, problem was that he rarely ever did that,, I think it would be a hell of a fight,, I just think that cotto would not like the pressure that paul would bring,,, the times i have seen cotto struggle has been against pressure type guys like torres, margs, mayorga, clottey,, Cotto likes to box, setup his shots and unload when guys are against the ropes like he did delvin.. but with williams, cotto would be forced to fight every second of the fight, and in fights like that he doesnt perform as well, and i can see williams stealing alot of rounds due to workrate just like how it got him past serg and lara,, the judges loved paul for whatever reason.. In the middle of the ring williams would charge into cotto, and i have never seen anyone push paul backwards long enough to trap him on the ropes, and that is exactly cotto's method.. I just think williams come forward relentless assault would take cotto out of his comfort zone, and allow paul to steal some rounds, because cotto is never going to be able to push him back and trap him against the ropes to setup his body shots,,,, I think it would be a classic battle, i just gotta give paul a slight edge and a win via close decision

Your opinion but very little substance. For what it's worth, Williams said Margarito's punches seems to get heavier and harder as the fight went on (Similar to what Cotto said) so that at the very least is something to put into the argument book to support the idea of Margarito using plaster for more than just the Mosley fight and as early as the Williams fight. Acknowledged as such. Even if he was plastered for both, that doesn't mean PW beats Cotto though. Not much power and an eagerness to give up his height and reach.

Reason given in my above post. Your opinion but very little substance. For what it's worth, Williams said Margarito's punches seems to get heavier and harder as the fight went on (Similar to what Cotto said) so that at the very least is something to put into the argument book to support the idea of Margarito using plaster for more than just the Mosley fight and as early as the Williams fight.

How do you know margs was plastered vs cotto, and how do you know he wasnt vs paul.. reasonable to think he was plastered in both,, but you cant say he was vs cotto with no proof but then insist that margs was clean vs paul, just to help your arguement,,, All we know for certain is that paul beat margs by overwhelming him with punches, and cotto quit and took a knee vs margs It is not crazy to think that williams with his size and activity could overwhelm cotto and maybe not stop him, but win a clear decision. How do you know he didn't have plaster for the Williams fight? Reason given in my above post.

Do you have any proof that he cheated in the Cotto fight and not the Williams fight? to be fair, PW probably did fight a plastered up marg I've always thought the slow start and close loss to PW to lose his title motivated Margs to change things up when he fought Golden Johnson on the Cotto-Mosley undercard at MSG. Again for the Cintron rematch, Cotto, and caught against Mosley. I can't prove that obviously so for sake of argument I'll agree they both fought a plastered up version of Margarito. Just because PW fought and got a close UD over Margs doesn't necessarily mean he beats Cotto. Cotto has the boxing acumen and skill to outbox Williams, it has been done by lesser boxers. Williams output and size do pose problems for MC, but his jab, body work, and William's eagerness to fight it out on the inside and forsake all his physical advantages plays very much into Cotto's hands. I still say prime for prime Cotto stops him in 9 rounds.

How do you know he didn't have plaster for the Williams fight? exactly,, beat me too it,,

Took him two tries, only took Cotto and other decent fighters one. I'm not sure he stops him as quickly, but he stops him and beats him. Where Cotto was cheated? Yeah PW should have had to fight a plastered up Margs and see how he does to compare the two. How do you know margs was plastered vs cotto, and how do you know he wasnt vs paul.. reasonable to think he was plastered in both,, but you cant say he was vs cotto with no proof but then insist that margs was clean vs paul, just to help your arguement,,, All we know for certain is that paul beat margs by overwhelming him with punches, and cotto quit and took a knee vs margs It is not crazy to think that williams with his size and activity could overwhelm cotto and maybe not stop him, but win a clear decision.