Rigondeaux's comments about Mexican boxing

Well I won't get into "superior" and "inferior" but you do have to consider how incredible the Cuban's are: Given the size of Cuba, and the influence on the rest of the Islands....consider how many great Cuban fighters have been. There have probably been more than Mexico and Mexico is a lot bigger country. You have to consider great amateur fighters as well and the influence. For example, Take Cotto, Cotto has many qualities of a Cuban fighter. He really does everything well...not perfect, but well. People questioned Cotto when he boxed Mosley but he had the skill to do so. Also I have to agree that many of the Mexican greats did not fight in the Mexican style. With the Cuban fighters they all fight in the Cuban mold...and...while they are not all super stars you would be hard pressed to find a really bad Cuban fighter! they all have good technical ability. For example, you would never see a "POnce" like Cuban fighter haha. You cannot look at a head to head match up of Mexican and Cuban fighters....you have to look at the amount of professional fighters, the success of the fighters as a group, and then perhaps, exceptional talents who fight in the style deemed superior. Also, there are styles of fighting in this country. Philly traditionaly emphasizes a body attack "hit the body then whack the head off" ...the peekaboo defense, and imo the Michigan style which like the /Cubans is very technically based: Setting up a false line of atttack so the guy fights your shoulder, setting up the counter punch with the shoulder, etc. There are in fact many styles of fighting but what makes american fighters better than orthodox european fighters is the emphasis on freedom if movement. Orthodox fighters are too rigid and this has become a universally acceptd fact. Bill, very good posts and valid points. However, we haven't seen as many Cuban pros to really rule out a "Ponce" or "Margarito." I'm sure they're out there, but not good enough to reach the highest level. Mexico has produced a very large sample of fighters that we have to examine unlike the Cubans. Right now the top pro Cuban fighters are Gamboa, Rigo, Lara, Abril, and Solis. They don't all necessarily fight the same, perhaps only Lara and Rigo, but they aren't exactly replicas. We could say they're all "good boxers." but that's an obvious and vague generalization since after all they are good enough to be talked about and shown on network TV. What I'm getting at is that yes there are fighting characteristics that nations/countries/cultures share but it's foolish to think there is one prototype per boxing nation. I think as more Cubans are able to leave Cuba and go pro we'll start to see a lot more different styles from them.

Perhaps you're right, maybe I'm interpreting it wrong and gotta give it another listen. However, Rigo definitely comes across as a guy who feels that the Cuban school of boxing is vastly superior to Mexico's. Well... yea, he is Cuban.

How do we know it's a superior form of boxing? Because it looks nicer? What Mexican greats have Cubans defeated in the pros to prove this notion? Well I won't get into "superior" and "inferior" but you do have to consider how incredible the Cuban's are: Given the size of Cuba, and the influence on the rest of the Islands....consider how many great Cuban fighters have been. There have probably been more than Mexico and Mexico is a lot bigger country. You have to consider great amateur fighters as well and the influence. For example, Take Cotto, Cotto has many qualities of a Cuban fighter. He really does everything well...not perfect, but well. People questioned Cotto when he boxed Mosley but he had the skill to do so. Also I have to agree that many of the Mexican greats did not fight in the Mexican style. With the Cuban fighters they all fight in the Cuban mold...and...while they are not all super stars you would be hard pressed to find a really bad Cuban fighter! they all have good technical ability. For example, you would never see a "POnce" like Cuban fighter haha. You cannot look at a head to head match up of Mexican and Cuban fighters....you have to look at the amount of professional fighters, the success of the fighters as a group, and then perhaps, exceptional talents who fight in the style deemed superior. Also, there are styles of fighting in this country. Philly traditionaly emphasizes a body attack "hit the body then whack the head off" ...the peekaboo defense, and imo the Michigan style which like the /Cubans is very technically based: Setting up a false line of atttack so the guy fights your shoulder, setting up the counter punch with the shoulder, etc. There are in fact many styles of fighting but what makes american fighters better than orthodox european fighters is the emphasis on freedom if movement. Orthodox fighters are too rigid and this has become a universally acceptd fact.

Perhaps you're right, maybe I'm interpreting it wrong and gotta give it another listen. However, Rigo definitely comes across as a guy who feels that the Cuban school of boxing is vastly superior to Mexico's. Cuban school of boxing is better then most or equal.

Perhaps you're right, maybe I'm interpreting it wrong and gotta give it another listen. However, Rigo definitely comes across as a guy who feels that the Cuban school of boxing is vastly superior to Mexico's. I am a fanboy for the Cuban school of boxing...a school which also is expressed in Puerto Rican fighters as well at times. There seems to be an emphasis on technique, not muscling everything, form, footwork and mentorship. These guys were olympic prodigies for a reason....and even though they were amateurs, guys like Stephenson and Savon could have easily been exceptional talents. Mexican fighters are indeed culturally expressive....They have great applications as well. Things like altering the speed of punches, an emphasis on the hook, body attacks with the hook, etc. Yet the archetype for the Mexican fighter is a guy like Margarito... Growing up in East Harlem I remember Puerto Rican families, seeing grandfathers instructing their kids on how to techically throw punches, move the feet ect....the emphasis was on superior technique and this is what grabs me as a fan of the Cuban fighters.

I'm pretty sure Rigo could give two sh*ts. He still winning and getting paid. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android im pretty sure he does, otherwise why lash out?

Lol @ the fact that everytime a new latino country is trying to get themselves on the boxing map they feal that they have to attack and hate on Mexican boxing, why is that? Get of our nuts Mexico has BEEN on the map, boxing wouldn't be the same without Mexicans and truth be told that if we had to many Rigo's and laras running around it would probably ruin boxing because of there booring ass style, they got skills but are not entertaining, I think with time they will get the point and make a few adjustments to there style. Mexico has been a boxing powerhouse for decades, only the US can rival it as far as being an elite boxing nation. Not all Americans, Puerto Ricans, Asians, and Russians fighters fight the same yet people want to group all Mexicans into one derogatory style. Hell even JCC, arguably Mexico's best fighter and one that is associated with the brawling style of fighting, showed great technique and subtle skills.

When it comes to the sport of boxing...it is. When it comes to the business of boxing...it is not. How do we know it's a superior form of boxing? Because it looks nicer? What Mexican greats have Cubans defeated in the pros to prove this notion?

Perhaps you're right, maybe I'm interpreting it wrong and gotta give it another listen. However, Rigo definitely comes across as a guy who feels that the Cuban school of boxing is vastly superior to Mexico's. When it comes to the sport of boxing...it is. When it comes to the business of boxing...it is not.

Lol @ the fact that everytime a new latino country is trying to get themselves on the boxing map they feal that they have to attack and hate on Mexican boxing, why is that? Get of our nuts Mexico has BEEN on the map, boxing wouldn't be the same without Mexicans and truth be told that if we had to many Rigo's and laras running around it would probably ruin boxing because of there booring ass style, they got skills but are not entertaining, I think with time they will get the point and make a few adjustments to there style.

If he said that, so he is 100% right Mexican style of boxing is stupid, and it is good for Mickey Garcia not to follow it All the Mexican legends didn't follow this stupid style "except Erik Morales"

You keep using that gif from round 12. That's the only time Nonito backpedalled in the hole fight.. If I made a gif of Rigondeaux's running from rounds 1-10, the file size would crash the forums.. Damn I like subtle humour but someone actually made a video talking about the great things that donaire did in that fight? "Home run" oh my...

Yes, I know the difference between lateral movement and running, but there's a point where "lateral movement"/"footwork" becomes running. Danny didn't just use lateral movement for 10 rounds and potshot. Danny mans upped and fought Matthysse and even dropped him. Rigondeaux got dropped by Nonito as soon as he stopped using that "lateral movement"... I'm not just hating Rigondeaux and Lara because they're Cuban; I'm just not a fan of the amateur style of running and outpointing in the pro's. And people need to stop comparing them to Floyd. Floyd is a FIGHTER. If you're really not hating facts wouldn't bounce off Rigo got kd of a clinch that was amateurish but was he really hurt? Who was the guy who was closest to getting stopped? If all he did was pot shot the dude his face wouldn't have end up like this. http://i.imgur.com/wJ8L0S0.jpg That is the face of a guy who was in with a fighter. Floyd is a 20 year pro the fact that they can even be mentioned in the same sentence as the best p4p guys right now is fking amazing. Style make fights they look scintillating against weak champions and come forward fighters just like everybody else. Rigo tried to get Agbeko out there not just out point him but dude lost his soul like Donaire and turned into clottey.... Lara today was in cruise mode to be real and still got Trout out of there in better fashion than Canelo wtf else can you want.

Cuban Boxing system is leaps and bounds better than Mexico's Boxing system. Can't hate on the Cubans their known to have great boxers just like how Brazil are known for soccer and their great players. Explain to me how it's leaps and bounds better than Mexico's boxing system? According to what criteria or statistics? Both have their pros and cons. For instance, where's the inside fighting, combination punching, and body work in the Cuban system? Calling all Mexicans "face first brawlers" is the same as calling all Cubans "boring, pot-shotting runners." It's ignorant. Anyways, you're Puerto Rican, I don't think you have much to say regarding the current landscape of boxing.

That video shows lateral movement and Rigo getting wacked and not even backing up more than one step you just proved my point and that you dont know the difference between running and lateral movement (if you liked the Garcia fight you should know wtf lateral movement is ) Donaire did the running after he got tagged in the first he got gun shy Rigo Dominated his now traumatized son up til that pathetic coward running act in the 12th round. But you had frikking trout beating Lara the hate is too strong in you facts bounce right off.....I was sad to see you crying ringside at the trout v lara fight tho almost cried myself :rofl: Yes, I know the difference between lateral movement and running, but there's a point where "lateral movement"/"footwork" becomes running. Danny didn't just use lateral movement for 10 rounds and potshot. Danny mans upped and fought Matthysse and even dropped him. Rigondeaux got dropped by Nonito as soon as he stopped using that "lateral movement"... I'm not just hating Rigondeaux and Lara because they're Cuban; I'm just not a fan of the amateur style of running and outpointing in the pro's. And people need to stop comparing them to Floyd. Floyd is a FIGHTER.

You keep using that gif from round 12. That's the only time Nonito backpedalled in the hole fight.. If I made a gif of Rigondeaux's running from rounds 1-10, the file size would crash the forums.. That video shows lateral movement and Rigo getting wacked and not even backing up more than one step you just proved my point and that you dont know the difference between running and lateral movement (if you liked the Garcia fight you should know wtf lateral movement is ) Donaire did the running after he got tagged in the first he got gun shy Rigo Dominated his now traumatized son up til that pathetic coward running act in the 12th round. But you had frikking trout beating Lara the hate is too strong in you facts bounce right off.....I was sad to see you crying ringside at the trout v lara fight tho almost cried myself :rofl:

You keep using that gif from round 12. That's the only time Nonito backpedalled in the hole fight.. If I made a gif of Rigondeaux's running from rounds 1-10, the file size would crash the forums..

Cuban Boxing system is leaps and bounds better than Mexico's Boxing system. Can't hate on the Cubans their known to have great boxers just like how Brazil are known for soccer and their great players. Oh I'm not complaining. I appreciate that style of boxing. And this has been a solid year for Cuban fighters so they are backing it up.

Not suprising. I live in Miami. Trust me. They think Cuban boxing is superior to anything on earth. Cuban Boxing system is leaps and bounds better than Mexico's Boxing system. Can't hate on the Cubans their known to have great boxers just like how Brazil are known for soccer and their great players.

Sometimes you gotta run to catch up to those ballsless bastards who's soul you take in the first round that's why. http://www.abload.de/img/dorun7yyw6.gif You keep using that gif from round 12. That's the only time Nonito backpedalled in the hole fight.. If I made a gif of Rigondeaux's running from rounds 1-10, the file size would crash the forums..