Floyd/Arum just don't want the fight to get made.

Anyone else think that Arum all of a sudden wants to negotiate so fast before Pac vs. Rios PPV numbers come out? I they are bad they it won't even be a negotiation, Floyd could just Ask for Manny's services and tell his promoter to step to the side.

What's amazing is how you guys never want to blame PAC like he's the slow kid in the classroom Thats because there is no use in blaming him. He has no power. No say. Not even allowed to have an opinion. "Its up to my promoter, Bob Arum" - Pac "I hope Bob lets us have this fight" - Roach He just does what he is told.

Simple economics... Pacquiao has averaged approx. 1.1M PPV buys in exclusive Top Rank promotions (meaning 100% of the revenue goes through Top Rank regardless of the payout)... Why would Arum want to put Pacquiao in a fight where he'd have to split an estimated 2.5-3M PPV buys 50-50 w/ Mayweather/GBP (that split being at best because Mayweather can realistically demand 60-40 or 55-45 at this point)? Arum does not and has never wanted it as long as Pacquiao has been selling PPV's in the millions; Arum is a smart businessman and Pacquiao-Mayweather is not a smart business move for him. All of that while Pacquiao's the betting favorite in every fight, which he wouldn't be against Mayweather (then have to rebuild his reputation or have him retire and lose out on a cash cow).

Quote: Originally Posted by JoeMan Arum tried twice. HBO Ross Greenburg tried. Nelson Mandela tried. Singaporeans tried. Manny Pacquiao upon finishing his contract with Arum 2 years ago sent Koncz to meet with Mayweather at his gym. Singaporeans tried again. Joe Jackson and business friends tried. (This was when uncle Roger quipped, "It's nuts to turn down $150 million.") 50 cent tried. All failed to convince Floyd. Yet manny walked away in. 09 to fight clottey after getting everything he asked for Manny got 3 tests, one before the fight and after? Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

Quote: Originally Posted by I don't lose How does someone owe you money when you pay them $750,000 to get out of your contract? Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android Its called contract law. FM still had to pay the $750k to get out of his court. Any dispute regarding what BA may have owed him is separate and can be contested. FM just couldn't deduct what he thought he was owed and pay that. For example, if you have a dispute with your mortgage company or landlord, try to deduct it from you payment and see what happens. why would a mortgage company or landlord owe me? Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

Arum tried twice. HBO Ross Greenburg tried. Nelson Mandela tried. Singaporeans tried. Manny Pacquiao upon finishing his contract with Arum 2 years ago sent Koncz to meet with Mayweather at his gym. Singaporeans tried again. Joe Jackson and business friends tried. (This was when uncle Roger quipped, "It's nuts to turn down $150 million.") 50 cent tried. All failed to convince Floyd. :unitedsta

God, not this again. . . If they fight they fight, if not then they don't. There's probably far more variables than we are aware of, but blaming one of them isn't fair. I haven't actually seen Manny at any point look particularly enthusiastic about fighting Floyd through-out his career, and he kinda just mopes about and fights who's put in front of him and acts like he has no say in what goes on, that's clearly evident with his recent financial crisis

Its all bullsh1t Before Arum was trying to milk manny, especially when he made up the story tht pac was scared of needles. But now its Floyd, that Arum excuse is full of chit, everytime Floyd and Arum cross paths they huge and smile at each other, Floyd issuing Arum as a scapegoat because he knows his cult following will buy into it. Another thing, the reason Arum didn't want to make the fight before is because he won't MAKE much money if Floyd and Pac fight. So whats up with this Floyd doesn't want to put money into Arums pocket crap? You do realize that Arum makes way more money having Manny fight an inhouse fighter? Arum won't get half the money he gets now if he puts Pac in with Floyd. So don't buy into Floyds Bs Arum excuse. The puzzle says birds of a feather flock together and the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, just listen and look at Floyd Sr he and floyd jr both got that shook cherry picking mentality with a bit of paranoia. Floyd knows Pacman movement is hard to time and he has a style that will give him trouble this is why Floyd doesn't want to fight a washed up shot to pieces pacman, because he doesn't want to risk it. If this was Floyd say before teh Oscar fight, he would have no choice but to Fight Pac, but now that he is in the driver seat, he can pick and choose the low risk opponents at the right time.

He says, "I'm gonna talk to Bob, and try to get this thing going." (paraphrasing) "But Floyd has to want to fight me as well." "I can talk to Bob all I want, but if Floyd don't want it, what can you do?" Paraphrasing. If you had even an ounce of common sense, this is what he basically said. It's a recent interview. Should still be on the 1st page. bradley is the same dude that said floyd would beat pacquiao easy right? what about the interviews after the marquez win when bradley acknowledges that the fight won't happen because the promotional company he is with? what about when mikey garcia acknowledges that a fight with him and abner mares won't happen because of the promotional companies ? what about when donaire acknowledged that fights with him and certain golden boy fighters won't happen because of the promotional companies ? many of arums fighters know that certain fights won't happen because of the promotional companies and that has nothing to do with floyd

where is that quote from? i seen a video where bradley says the fight with floyd won't happen because of the promotional situation He says, "I'm gonna talk to Bob, and try to get this thing going." (paraphrasing) "But Floyd has to want to fight me as well." "I can talk to Bob all I want, but if Floyd don't want it, what can you do?" Paraphrasing. If you had even an ounce of common sense, this is what he basically said. It's a recent interview. Should still be on the 1st page.

You would have to imagine that with a fight of this magnitude, there is a way to work things out. I think a lot of it is Floyd worrying about losing his 0. However, I won't deny the fact that Arum is a snake and obviously him and Floyd aren't eager to do business with each other. I just wish Pac would have left TR. He's a big enough star.

That's not the issue. The issue is, YOU said Manny should just go to Bob and everything would be peachy. I gave you Bradley's quote, because, Manny can say whatever he wants to Bob, but if Floyd doesn't want the fight, what good does that do? where is that quote from? i seen a video where bradley says the fight with floyd won't happen because of the promotional situation

its funny how people try to make it a floyd arum thing when it is clearly bigger than that. when is the last time a golden boy fighter fought a top rank fighter? did arum not have a beef with oscar when he left and started golden boy? its all about arum if pacquiao wanted the floyd fight why did he resign with top rank?its always about floyd and arum but manny doesn't seem that willing either

How does someone owe you money when you pay them $750,000 to get out of your contract? Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android Its called contract law. FM still had to pay the $750k to get out of his court. Any dispute regarding what BA may have owed him is separate and can be contested. FM just couldn't deduct what he thought he was owed and pay that. For example, if you have a dispute with your mortgage company or landlord, try to deduct it from you payment and see what happens.

Floyd has publicly stated he doesnt want the fight. (Pacquiao who? Pac is done, etc etc) For one, I think thats a good thing he's finally being honest about it. He's not saying nonsense like "Pacquiao, your next" or some BS on twitter. Arum should probably get the hint too and stop talking about. There's really no need at this point to further enrage fans.

Although Arum has changed his tune, since he's trying to cash out on Pac, but let's call a spade a spade. Why would a hungry maggot willingly give up its square inch on a pile of dung? Conversely, why would Bob Arum give up a mark that's made him so much money, why would he willfully endanger that to appease whiny fans in the short term? Arum is a businessman not an idiot cheerleader, he's going to do what's in his best interests period.

How does a quote from Bradley prove anything? All he's doing is parroting the company line. "Mayweather doesn't want to fight. We here at Top Rank is doing all we can to get him in the ring." In order for this happen Mayweather, Pacquiao, TR, GBP, SHO, and HBO all have to agree. You're saying the only obstacle to this fight is Mayweather and Bob Arum. I said you're missing one person, Manny Pacquiao. Quoting Bradley puts it all back on Mayweather because he's saying "Floyd's gonna wanna have to fight." Why is there even a discussion if one side (TR), think the person they have to negotiate with doesn't want to fight? If that's the case they should stop bringing up a potential fight between him and anyone from TR Man, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Don't play dumb. :spank:

That's not the issue. The issue is, YOU said Manny should just go to Bob and everything would be peachy. I gave you Bradley's quote, because, Manny can say whatever he wants to Bob, but if Floyd doesn't want the fight, what good does that do? How does a quote from Bradley prove anything? All he's doing is parroting the company line. "Mayweather doesn't want to fight. We here at Top Rank is doing all we can to get him in the ring." In order for this happen Mayweather, Pacquiao, TR, GBP, SHO, and HBO all have to agree. You're saying the only obstacle to this fight is Mayweather and Bob Arum. I said you're missing one person, Manny Pacquiao. Quoting Bradley puts it all back on Mayweather because he's saying "Floyd's gonna wanna have to fight." Why is there even a discussion if one side (TR), think the person they have to negotiate with doesn't want to fight? If that's the case they should stop bringing up a potential fight between him and anyone from TR.

Quote: Originally Posted by Evol i hate people like this. it was arum who got floyd rolling so why hate? just phucking come together for just this one time god dammit!! When Floyd and Arum parted ways Arum owed Floyd money, when Arum and Oscar parted ways, Arum owed Oscar money. So neither one of these guys want to Help this guy make money that is actually owed to them. Bradley even said a fight between him and Floyd wont happen while he's still with TR. Now that Floyd and Oscar know more now about the promotional side of things, how much do you think, they know about how bad Arum was screwing them? Do you really think they wanna do business with this guy? Remember it was Arum that stopped the second chance at the fight because he needed to build a stadium, after Pacs most recent fight, didnt Roach say that he hopes ARUM gets this done, didnt Roach say in the past that it was up to Arum, Pac says talk to Arum, Micheal Concz (whatever) said it was Arum holding up the fight, even the karate kid that kicked roach said it was Arum holding up the fight. Arum knows he cant pull any BS with the numbers and Pac would get his rightful share or Bob Arum would be exposed. Potentially the biggest fight in history, do you think Arum would not try to get a bigger share? bare with me on this....when those financial advisors were hired to go thru Pac's finances they said Pac was taking loans from bob between fights, now if Bob can keep giving Pac loans with stupid pay-day loan rates, then have him fight Floyd...Bob would be entitled to his promotional fee, and a nice chunk of Pacs Pay day all at the same time. Bob really is gonna cash out. How does someone owe you money when you pay them $750,000 to get out of your contract? Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

If Bradley really think Mayweather doesn't want to fight him why is he lobbying for a fight? I thought TR was all about cutting out the smack talking. If it was simply a case of Mayweather not wanting to fight we wouldn't hear about a potential fight with Mayweather every time there is a TR event That's not the issue. The issue is, YOU said Manny should just go to Bob and everything would be peachy. I gave you Bradley's quote, because, Manny can say whatever he wants to Bob, but if Floyd doesn't want the fight, what good does that do?