There are often mixed views on the Klitschkos all-time status. Some believe they could one day be considered ATG fighters while others believe they are average boxers in a devision devoid of A Class or even B Class fighters.
As each era in boxing passes there are peaks and troughs in the level of competition - highs and lows - so the champions of each era are often viewed through the lens of the "quality of opposition", and their opposition is directly compared and contrasted against the opposition of champions from other eras.
Through this analysis, there are champions from one era who couldn't be considered to be in the same league as the champion(s) of another era.
So where do you place the Klitschkos - are they among the "worst" champions of all time, among the best champions or somewhere in between?
You still holding on to the mantra of calling someone a liar when they have utterly destroyed all your bs claims of non greatness for the Brother's of the Ukraine? I liked you better with the pink dress on.. at least I could laugh while taking someone to school.. leave the Billy Joel impersonations for the professionals.
jab is an imbecile, last week he tried to convince me with his pathetic "arguments" that a 6 foot 6 white guy is actually a Chinese guy. I can't believe some people actually argue with that moron.
Klitschkos are not the worst, they are the best. The only fighter who could beat them both is Lennox.
The more conservative European style works a lot better at HW then action style of American fighters.
Look at HW top 20, it's mostly Europeans, who are well disciplined and don't exchange haymakers like maniacs.
Times of Tyson and Foreman are gone. Lennox started it all and Klitschkos continued.
If you want to see haymakers go to any pub and watch drunks fight.
I'd personally like to know why he seems incapable of putting together a coherent paragraph that actually says something instead of gibbering around in a circle :dunno9:
You read every word of it with K WHY JELLie in hand... poetic buddy!
Exactly as i said, you're a liar with no proof to back it up when called out.
You still holding on to the mantra of calling someone a liar when they have utterly destroyed all your bs claims of non greatness for the Brother's of the Ukraine? I liked you better with the pink dress on.. at least I could laugh while taking someone to school.. leave the Billy Joel impersonations for the professionals.
So Deontay Wilder is better than Klit. :lol1:
So far he has less ways of losing than Wladimir but still more ways of potentially losing than Vitali because of that jaw shield he's got going on.
We're comparing champions here.. so wait til Deontay gets his.. the fact that the Klitschko's have both been loserless for an entire decade lends to the fact we're comparing the cream of the crop of the best heavyweight champions ever... half here don't think they're all-time great heavies & should be whacked from this site on principal alone.
Your opinions of the numbers you posted are outright stretching the truth.. I never lied.. I have no reason to when I can take it to you with the truth.. go post again about top 10 ranked fighters in other eras & who they fought & LOST to.. most of them lost when they stepped up.. so it proves NOTHING when one is ranked 8 in one era & another is ranked 18 in this one.. it's apples & apples.. you're comparing here but way to make it look like past greats fought apples & Vitali has fought oranges.. it has no basis in fact as to the fighters ability where they were ranked when THESE fighters aren't great to begin with..
Only championship fighters can be ranked against other championship fighters of the past & have the rankings mean something & be evaluated in a more accurate manner as they fought & beat most everyone that they fought in title bouts & have a few losses to show for it except for Marciano.. until you can prove fighter B plus is better than a B plus or a C minus in this era without placing too much significance in how far they reached a certain fighting list without stepping over the mountain.
You've done nothing but manipulated those rankings.. it's like a top 10 song list... until you have proof one song sounds better than another when the tunes are similar in nature...you'll always be stretching the truth.. I won't call them lies just because you've accused me of lieing as why I should I sink to your level.
& for your information a top 30 fighter in this era can be better than a top 10- 15 fighter in other eras even if they didn't manage to go up the list sometimes it's NOT about who you fought.. it's about the opportunity you got to show your ability..... it's higher stature where you're ranked but not necessarily does it prove you are better.
To me it'll always be about how you fought.. & less about who you fought when reaching the highest of levels possible which the Klitschko's have done & the way Wlad has fought leads me to believe he's inferior to Vitali & will always be based on how many ways Wlad is capable of losing if his gameplan is not implemented vs his older brother's style.
The way I separate Wlad from Vitali & evaluate them isn't because Wlad has fought better names.. it's how they'd fare against each other & how they've FOUGHT against similar comp. Wlad has lost in devastating fashion to guys Vitali has completely destroyed with relative ease.. Wlad can lose AT ANY moment even though he's found a way to protect the chin... any lucky punch gets through he is most likely toast same as Lewis... Vitali... it's not a guarantee any One lucky shot can bring him down... this is a MAJOR advantage that you fail to see.. but yet have other fighter ahead because of what there name or rank looked like when they HAVE more ways of losing than Vitali does in a boxing match... it's absurd & will always be absurd.. this line of thinking.
So Deontay Wilder is better than Klit. :lol1:
You're pathetic.. still the same old jabs.. peace out son & you were schooled.. don't be deceived by the polls.. just know who the man i s up in here.. you can be the nuthugger killer . when Jimmy's not in the house... kap
Exactly as i said, you're a liar with no proof to back it up when called out.
Really? Show me where i said that. Fact is you cant. You tried using this poll as proof, i provided another. Stop lying on people and grow up son. You've been bagged!
You're pathetic.. still the same old jabs.. peace out son & you were schooled.. don't be deceived by the polls.. just know who the man i s up in here.. you can be the nuthugger killer . when Jimmy's not in the house... kap[ish! & get back to the pink nightie.. prettier than that mug you'
re sporting now... lmao!
The only problem with that little theory is that a top 10-15 of this era is grossly inferior to the top 30 of ALL other eras. Capish? Son.
Again... you're using an opinion & so am I... whomever is more convincing wins out here.... poet boy.. I says they are grossly inferior because they are made out to look that way by the potent KLITSCHKO right & the devastating jab to go with it.. all of these opponents CAN'T be all sucky on there own.. yet the Klitschko resistance is the SAME for most every type of opposition & or style incurred.. that to me is more damning evidence than what you can provide by stating otherwise & the over inflation of the names the great champions of the past have fought....
Your ONLY real evidence is that there were more competitive fights back then whether they were 12 rds or 15 & can you please tell me again how that favors the alltime great that was more competitive with his opposition than the alltime great who hasn't been in competitive fights.. how exactly does the comp get elevated back in the day when there's less domination going on back then.. why is that competition being elevated AUTOMATICALLY just because they performed better against the champs? You can't have both the comp being elevated as well as the champs at the same time.... too much inflation of an opinion to give both the competition & the champions the same amount of credit at the same time.. just not logical.
You were pertaining to your polls as the end all be all of evidence that the Klitschko's aren't worthy or Vitali isn't.. If I took your poll as gospel we wouldn't be having this convo... your opinions of said rankings & or comp are nonfactual but way to convey them as such... you're just boring me now.. so im out.. broken record jabbies.... let me know when you want to go toe to toe.. as you're more boring now than a Wladimir Klitschko huggathon... kapish!
Really? Show me where i said that. Fact is you cant. You tried using this poll as proof, i provided another. Stop lying on people and grow up son. You've been bagged!
Show me how I've manipulated rankings by favoring any other fighter. Show mw where ive said bscene polls are factual. If you cant than you're a liar, end of story. Man up jim jim.
You were pertaining to your polls as the end all be all of evidence that the Klitschko's aren't worthy or Vitali isn't.. If I took your poll as gospel we wouldn't be having this convo... your opinions of said rankings & or comp are nonfactual but way to convey them as such... you're just boring me now.. so im out.. broken record jabbies.... let me know when you want to go toe to toe.. as you're more boring now than a Wladimir Klitschko huggathon... kapish!
First off I just explained it but keep on being a broken record & I edited the entire post to add more of an explanation that you'll fail to grasp.. it's you that's lieing by calling me a liar.. when you're trying to be some sort of psychology major by stretching my words.. you're not that smart.. so stop playing yourself.. this is what happens when one can't go toe to toe.. they nitpick about an inconsequential thing that was said & are FAILING to grasp at the big picture so they harp on a little minor detail & think they are playing the word correction officer.
Show me how I've manipulated rankings by favoring any other fighter. Show mw where ive said bscene polls are factual. If you cant than you're a liar, end of story. Man up jim jim.
It must be said its not their fault that the HW division has been so poor during this era. But it is their fault they've racked up so many tomato can defences against prospects journeymen and fringe contenders.
When the opposition has been so poor its hard to put them anywhere near the HW greats.
Vitali, to his credit, fought a faded, fat Lennox and did very well and Wlad has the athleticism to give any HW problems... but ATGs? No way!
Wlad's style is so painful to watch too, which doesn't help his rating either.
What numbers have i stretched the truth on and exactly where did i use a different set of standards for anything ive posted? Again, I'll wait...liar. :rofl:
First off I just explained it but keep on being a broken record & I edited the entire post to add more of an explanation that you'll fail to grasp.. it's you that's lieing by calling me a liar.. when you're trying to be some sort of psychology major by stretching my words.. you're not that smart.. so stop playing yourself.. this is what happens when one can't go toe to toe.. they nitpick about an inconsequential thing that was said & are FAILING to grasp at the big picture so they harp on a little minor detail & think they are playing the word correction officer.
Your opinions of the numbers you posted are outright stretching the truth.. I never lied.. I have no reason to when I can take it to you with the truth.. go post again about top 10 ranked fighters in other eras & who they fought & LOST to.. most of them lost when they stepped up.. so it proves NOTHING when one is ranked 8 in one era & another is ranked 18 in this one.. it's apples & apples.. you're comparing here but way to make it look like past greats fought apples & Vitali has fought oranges.. it has no basis in fact as to the fighters ability where they were ranked when THESE fighters aren't great to begin with..
Only championship fighters can be ranked against other championship fighters of the past & have the rankings mean something & be evaluated in a more accurate manner as they fought & beat most everyone that they fought in title bouts & have a few losses to show for it except for Marciano.. until you can prove fighter B plus is better than a B plus or a C minus in this era without placing too much significance in how far they reached a certain fighting list without stepping over the mountain.
You've done nothing but manipulated those rankings.. it's like a top 10 song list... until you have proof one song sounds better than another when the tunes are similar in nature...you'll always be stretching the truth.. I won't call them lies just because you've accused me of lieing as why I should I sink to your level.
What numbers have i stretched the truth on and exactly where did i use a different set of standards for anything ive posted? Again, I'll wait...liar. :rofl:
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