Bradley is number 3 right now, with floyd as number one(clearly deserved), andre ward at 2, and bradley at 3. If pac beats bradley, who is number 3 p4p, that is better than any win floyd and ward have had in a long time. Where would you rank him?
Where would pacquiao be ranked if he beats Bradley?
I thought the fight could have been a draw or 7-5 either way. The fact is, Bradley made Pacquiao look BAD. Pacquiao spent most of the fight swinging at air, gassed in the second half of the fight and got OUTBOXED by a guy who needed to be put in a wheelchair immediately after the fight.
That said, all this BS about Pacquiao having "beat" Bradley is a ****ing joke and a myth seeing as it didn't happen. The decision was not a robbery, not even close...
Pure definition of balls hugger. The Mayweathers thougt it was a day light robbery. Get a clue from your gods.
He will beat Bradley just like he did in their first fight omly this time he will beat him by a wider margin to make sure he gets revenge and does not get robbed by the judges. He will probably knock Bradley out. He is the 2nd best fighter in the world behind Mayweather. A 168 pound Pacquiao would knock Ward out in my opinion. Although he is new on the scene GGG might be the best fighter in the world pfp. GGG says he is strong at 154 and I don't think any fighter could beat him at that weight or 160.
The line... You have crossed it, brochacho.
He will beat Bradley just like he did in their first fight omly this time he will beat him by a wider margin to make sure he gets revenge and does not get robbed by the judges. He will probably knock Bradley out. He is the 2nd best fighter in the world behind Mayweather. A 168 pound Pacquiao would knock Ward out in my opinion. Although he is new on the scene GGG might be the best fighter in the world pfp. GGG says he is strong at 154 and I don't think any fighter could beat him at that weight or 160.
I can say Manny Pacquiao should be the number 1 Pound for pound. why? He already beaten Bradley, 8th time world champion in 8 different weight classes, Floyd Mayweather fighting a bum next (I give credit Amir Khan b'coz of his Speed) and lastly the number 1 Pound for pound doesn't want to fight.
I thought the fight could have been a draw or 7-5 either way. The fact is, Bradley made Pacquiao look BAD. Pacquiao spent most of the fight swinging at air, gassed in the second half of the fight and got OUTBOXED by a guy who needed to be put in a wheelchair immediately after the fight.
That said, all this BS about Pacquiao having "beat" Bradley is a ****ing joke and a myth seeing as it didn't happen. The decision was not a robbery, not even close...
Im not even going to try and debate you ,,, your an absolute idiot in terms of boxing
true, it happened,, but that wont change my p4p rankings,, Im not going to penalize a guy for getting screwed in an obvious robbery, same way if floyd had somehow got a draw with canelo,, floyd would still be my #1 and canelo off my list
This ^^^
If this was the case, Ward would have surpassed Floyd as #1 P4P when Floyd only managed a SD against Canelo.
It's a farce and everybody knows it.
Pacquiao did not beat Bradley. You Pac.tards need to let go of that pipe dream.
Yea he did and it will be remembered as such by anyone who knows anything about boxing you twit.
What someone deserves isn't the same as what happened. Whether or not Canelo deserved to get a draw scorecard against Mayweather, the fact is that he did. If another judge had given him the draw, he would have officially tied with Mayweather and blemished Floyd's record.
Manny didn't deserve to lose to Bradley but he still lost. The decision wasn't overturned. You may not like what happened but the fact is that it happened.
true, it happened,, but that wont change my p4p rankings,, Im not going to penalize a guy for getting screwed in an obvious robbery, same way if floyd had somehow got a draw with canelo,, floyd would still be my #1 and canelo off my list
and canelo deserved a draw vs floyd,,,
Did you honestly score the fight for bradley,,, I give bradley tons of love on these threads, but no way did he win that fight
Sometimes you have to use critical thinking skills, which is sorely lacking on NSB
What someone deserves isn't the same as what happened. Whether or not Canelo deserved to get a draw scorecard against Mayweather, the fact is that he did. If another judge had given him the draw, he would have officially tied with Mayweather and blemished Floyd's record.
Manny didn't deserve to lose to Bradley but he still lost. The decision wasn't overturned. You may not like what happened but the fact is that it happened.
My top five right now looks like:
1. Mayweather 2. Ward 3. Bradley 4. Rgio 5. Marquez
If Manny beats Bradley in the rematch that puts him at least #3 in my book. I think there's an argument to be made that his long-term record outweighs Ward's significant accomplishments but I would have to give the talent and longevity edge to Ward. TBH I might be tempted to give Manny a #2 ranking out of sentimentality, especially if he looked like a beast against Bradley.
I think most of us had Manny winning the first fight but it wasn't a domination, it was still a close fight (owing a lot to Manny taking huge portions of rounds off). A clear win over Bradley would mean a lot more than a muddled consensus "win."
I'm pulling for Desert Storm in the rematch, here's hoping it gets made so we can settle the controversy for good!
Pacquiao did not beat Bradley. You Pac.tards need to let go of that pipe dream.
and canelo deserved a draw vs floyd,,,
Did you honestly score the fight for bradley,,, I give bradley tons of love on these threads, but no way did he win that fight
Sometimes you have to use critical thinking skills, which is sorely lacking on NSB
1-Floyd
2-Ward
3-Bradley
4-Martinez
5-Wlad
6-Jmm
7-Garcia
8-Rigo
9-Froch
10-Mikey Garcia
pretty damn easy..all are fighting people at or above their weight class and havent lost recently
Your top ten is flawed. Pac only lost by a lucky KO shot in a fight he was winning and everyone with any sense knows he beat Bradley.
Having Froch in the top ten after his last fight shows that you have no real boxing knowledge.
Sorry Pac.tards but an argument can be made that Marquez, even after the Bradely loss and Pacquiao's win over Rios, should be rated higher P4P than Pacquiaio...
I don't agree with this, Bradley beat Marquez almost as handily as Pacquiao beat Bradley. Pac is #3 if he beats Bradley, who is #3. No doubt about it.
Those claims that he could be #1 or #2 are ridiculous to say the least and I'm a Pac fan over Floyd and Ward.
I wasn't serious with the heavyweight part, i was saying if pacman gets better wins than floyd and ward, beats them in a more dominate fashion then floyd did with his opponent, why should floyd stay number 1? so if floyd beats guys like khan, wins 8-4, and pacman beats someone like bradley and knocks him out or wins by shut out, how does floyd deserve that spot? So by your argument, sergio is the best middle weight, because technically he hasn't "lost". But do you really believe sergio is the best middleweight, or is it golovkin?
Just see the top P4P list and it will answer the question about Martinez.
To answer the first part, if Floyd is in a tough fight but still wins, he will not lose his spot. Pac is my boy and I think it was a lucky shot, but he did get knocked down and then knocked out cold on his second to last fight. There is nobody out there aside from Floyd who he could feasably fight and beat at this stage that would elevate him to the top spot. Period.
Sorry, but that's the truth.
thats a pretty solid list, i have alot of the same guys, but not serg..
The difference between serg and manny, is that manny lost to a top level p4p guy in a very close fight till the ko..
Serg arguably lost to murray, and murray isnt considered to be top p4p, plus he almost got stopped by chavez jr
That is the reason why i kept manny and not serg..
I would favor manny to destroy danny garcia, froch, wlad, mikey etc if they were H2H same size,, His skills are vastly superior to those guys..
yeah I thought manny lost 2 fights vs jmm, but he beat bradley IMO, all guys involved were p4p, unlike the serg-murray where murray is a top 10 MW but nowhere near a p4p list
1. floyd
2. ward
3. rigo
4. bradley
5. jmm
6. manny
7. wlad
8. Danny G
9. mikey G
10. froch/roman gonzalez
I understand where you're coming from but you have to put things in perspective. Murray might not be p4p but he's better at middle than some of the guys who are being beat by other p4p guys in their respective divisions. For instance... JMM i pretty old... P4p guy but realistically...how many welters beat him? I'd favor a very big welter like Thurman over JMM...as would a good amount of people.
If Manny was a heavyweight he'd get beat by Wlad. :/... If Wlad was a welter with a size advantage (that'd be logical) he'd pose an interesting problem. Froch would get murdered.. But yeah almost losing doesnt count in Martinez's case. Did floyd lose a spot for almost being dropped by shane? Did Bradley disappear off the p4p list even though he took a bad beating vs Prov? Mikey is on the list despite taking a KD? Froch is even fringe 10 after this last fight? You have to look at it all objectively. Martinez should be on ANY list. This isnt an attack on you but it seems you have some issue with Sergio as that double standard is strong.
1-Floyd
2-Ward
3-Bradley
4-Martinez
5-Wlad
6-Jmm
7-Garcia
8-Rigo
9-Froch
10-Mikey Garcia
pretty damn easy..all are fighting people at or above their weight class and havent lost recently
thats a pretty solid list, i have alot of the same guys, but not serg..
The difference between serg and manny, is that manny lost to a top level p4p guy in a very close fight till the ko..
Serg arguably lost to murray, and murray isnt considered to be top p4p, plus he almost got stopped by chavez jr
That is the reason why i kept manny and not serg..
I would favor manny to destroy danny garcia, froch, wlad, mikey etc if they were H2H same size,, His skills are vastly superior to those guys..
yeah I thought manny lost 2 fights vs jmm, but he beat bradley IMO, all guys involved were p4p, unlike the serg-murray where murray is a top 10 MW but nowhere near a p4p list
1. floyd
2. ward
3. rigo
4. bradley
5. jmm
6. manny
7. wlad
8. Danny G
9. mikey G
10. froch/roman gonzalez