Another horrible stoppage from referee Howard John Foster (Froch vs Groves referee)

How many of Fosters numerous early stoppages have been for the A side fighter? Well we can only go by televised fights but I found 4 examples very quickly after I started searching. I suspect british fans could find a lot more. :rofl: Cello "A side" Renda. Why do you say that because it was in Peterborough? I suppose Renda's people had Foster in their pocket and that's the reason he was so late to stop the "A side" Renda's promoter won the purse bid and was in charge of the event, do your homework. I guess Foster's incompetence was somehow transformed from a referee who stops fights too early to a referee who stops fights late. :rolleyes: You only found 1 example? Someone hasn't read the whole thread.

And also Foster looked likely to jump in much sooner than he actually did. As if he'd decided before hand that he'd stop Groves. Absolutely. George is quite right when he points out, the very second Froch had any significant success the ref was immediately on it and looking to step in. This is a bad pattern of Foster's career looking at it. Still easy to say it's just bias cos as we know he expected (perhaps even wanted having liked a status) Froch to stop him in round 9. So when George is hurt in round 9 he's saying to himself, just as I expected, I know how this will go, lets stop it. This is why you can't have a guy whom is known to stop fights early, make dodgy calls, and have an evident bias towards a certain fighter and result - and expect fair officiating.

Are you still talking round 6 or are we talking the fight as a whole? Because by Foster's standards, not only should Froch have been deemed unable to defend himself in round 1 but should have been carried out on a stretcher and taken directly to a hospital. In round 6, I counted 6-7 clean straight right hands that landed on Froch's jaw. Groves having a much more fluid style who actually dodges punches, may have looked as if he was hurt - but in reality he was dodging punches and firing back. It was a ridiculous stoppage by all measurements. Groves caught a few punches, he didn't take "punishment". Certainly not to the extent you are making it out to be. or Froch himself. Froch was very inaccurate with his punches, and most were blocked. But Groves does bruise easily, as you can see with most of his fights. He's very light skinned. You didn't answer my question, if the situation had been reversed should Froch have been stopped? Of course it was a bad stoppage and no I don't think Foster would have stopped It if the roles were reversed because Froch is seen as a warrior and Groves isn't he's seen as someone who's but very durable. It's completely different in round 1 both fighters were fresh and hadn't taken any punishment. Round 6 Froch was buzzed he wasn't hurt like Groves. He didn't look like he was hurt he was hurt, clearly. Not enough to be stopped but he was hurt and more so than Froch in the 6th "A few punches" :lol1: he took plenty of punches and took a lot of punishment. Not as much as Froch but plenty none the less. His face has never looked in that kind of state ever.

I think it is mostly incompetence but someone made a good point, professionalism is absolutely minimising your likely un-avoidable bias to say a few % points so it's not noticeable. This ref can't do this so is incompetent. Another poster made a good point that even if they aren't directly asked or encouraged to do such things, there is often an unspoken consensus vybe to lean towards one side. The decision goes to a certain corner and it does likely lead to bigger fights for the ref. For a ref to clearly back and agree with a prediction of one side winning in the 9th is simply un-acceptable, that should be investigated and punishable. Two cards having it even without the KD also points to sheer dodgy officialing of that fight too. 45 out of 46 press scorecards had it much wider, why have 2/3 judges got it so close and the ref jumping in the second one guys hurt, but not the numerous times the other guy is more hurt? It just doesn't stack up. And also Foster looked likely to jump in much sooner than he actually did. As if he'd decided before hand that he'd stop Groves.

I think it is mostly incompetence but someone made a good point, professionalism is absolutely minimising your likely un-avoidable bias to say a few % points so it's not noticeable. This ref can't do this so is incompetent. Another poster made a good point that even if they aren't directly asked or encouraged to do such things, there is often an unspoken consensus vybe to lean towards one side. The decision goes to a certain corner and it does likely lead to bigger fights for the ref. For a ref to clearly back and agree with a prediction of one side winning in the 9th is simply un-acceptable, that should be investigated and punishable. Two cards having it even without the KD also points to sheer dodgy officialing of that fight too. 45 out of 46 press scorecards had it much wider, why have 2/3 judges got it so close and the ref jumping in the second one guys hurt, but not the numerous times the other guy is more hurt? It just doesn't stack up.

At no point did Froch look like he was going to be stopped like Groves did. And did you think Groves took no punishment when you rewatched it or do you still think that Groves face bruises due to the air when Frochs misses and the impact of the punches being blocked? Are you still talking round 6 or are we talking the fight as a whole? Because by Foster's standards, not only should Froch have been deemed unable to defend himself in round 1 but should have been carried out on a stretcher and taken directly to a hospital. In round 6, I counted 6-7 clean straight right hands that landed on Froch's jaw. Groves having a much more fluid style who actually dodges punches, may have looked as if he was hurt - but in reality he was dodging punches and firing back. It was a ridiculous stoppage by all measurements. Groves caught a few punches, he didn't take "punishment". Certainly not to the extent you are making it out to be. or Froch himself. Froch was very inaccurate with his punches, and most were blocked. But Groves does bruise easily, as you can see with most of his fights. He's very light skinned. You didn't answer my question, if the situation had been reversed should Froch have been stopped?

I've just watched it back on HD. When I first saw the fight, I was streaming it from a hotel room in Lisbon and it looked like Groves was a bit hurt - but still early. Having just rewatched it, it was ridiculous. They were both throwing, and I think I counted two or three that actually landed. I think Froch landed a right hook that turned Groves face - but he stood up and as he was about to push/hold Froch - ref stops it. Froch was absolutely more hurt in both the 1st and the 6th than Groves. Ask you this, do you think if the roles were reversed that it would have been stopped? and would you have been happy with it? If you say yes you are lying. Because you know Froch is a strong fighter with an iron chin and a second-to-none ability in terms of recuperation. He recovers extremely well and quickly, which round 1 shows. Froch would never have been stopped had the roles been reversed. never. We both know that. That being said, I don't think it was corruption. just pure ignorance from a terrible referee. At no point did Froch look like he was going to be stopped like Groves did. And did you think Groves took no punishment when you rewatched it or do you still think that Groves face bruises due to the air when Frochs misses and the impact of the punches being blocked?

Froch was more hurt in the 6th than Groves was in the 9th? Froch never looked like he was on the way to being stopped like Groves was. I've just watched it back on HD. When I first saw the fight, I was streaming it from a hotel room in Lisbon and it looked like Groves was a bit hurt - but still early. Having just rewatched it, it was ridiculous. They were both throwing, and I think I counted two or three that actually landed. I think Froch landed a right hook that turned Groves face - but he stood up and as he was about to push/hold Froch - ref stops it. Froch was absolutely more hurt in both the 1st and the 6th than Groves. Ask you this, do you think if the roles were reversed that it would have been stopped? and would you have been happy with it? If you say yes you are lying. Because you know Froch is a strong fighter with an iron chin and a second-to-none ability in terms of recuperation. He recovers extremely well and quickly, which round 1 shows. Froch would never have been stopped had the roles been reversed. never. We both know that. That being said, I don't think it was corruption. just pure ignorance from a terrible referee.

You only found 1 example? :lol1: The guy is notorious for it Hey don't forget he let Cello "A Side" Renda go on for 3 whole knocks downs in round 1 before he stopped it. That's pretty much the most solid evidence you can get that he's corrupt and the "A side" nationwide have him in their pocket.

You only found 1 example? :lol1: The guy is notorious for it

that's just not true. Froch was more hurt in the 6th than Groves was in the 9th? Froch never looked like he was on the way to being stopped like Groves was.

You don't get it, Foster stops fights early in favor of the A-side fighter. Doesn't matter who's winning, who's dominating, whether or not it's needed. His mindset is to stop the B-side fighter as soon as possible. Forget the scorecards, did that sequence warrant a stoppage? He got TKO'd with blocked punches. SMH This is just a coincidence of course. :rolleyes: A-side fighter Cello Renda gets his ass kicked by B-side Danny Butler : Foster doesn't stop it until Renda gets dropped several times and looks completely done. Another coincidence. If these guys don't get it at this point, they're in denial. :rofl: Cello "A side" Renda. Why do you say that because it was in Peterborough? I suppose Renda's people had Foster in their pocket and that's the reason he was so late to stop the "A side"

Because he wasn't as hurt as Groves was in the 9th. that's just not true.

If it was incompetence, why didn't he stop it in the sixth(?) round, Froch was taking plenty of punishment then. Because he wasn't as hurt as Groves was in the 9th.

You don't get it, Foster stops fights early in favor of the A-side fighter. Doesn't matter who's winning, who's dominating, whether or not it's needed. His mindset is to stop the B-side fighter as soon as possible. Forget the scorecards, did that sequence warrant a stoppage? He got TKO'd with blocked punches. SMH This is just a coincidence of course. :rolleyes: A-side fighter Cello Renda gets his ass kicked by B-side Danny Butler : Foster doesn't stop it until Renda gets dropped several times and looks completely done. Another coincidence. If these guys don't get it at this point, they're in denial. How many of Fosters numerous early stoppages have been for the A side fighter?

You feel that the Brook-Jackiewicz early stoppage was due to corruption? Why was corruption needed there? You don't get it, Foster stops fights early in favor of the A-side fighter. Doesn't matter who's winning, who's dominating, whether or not it's needed. His mindset is to stop the B-side fighter as soon as possible. Jackiewicz was never in the fight, he lost every round. Brook was hitting and hurting him at will. It was a clinic & Jackiewicz was totally out of his depth. Blowing & reeling from every shot. Why let him go on? Forget the scorecards, did that sequence warrant a stoppage? He got TKO'd with blocked punches. SMH Of course it could be just be incompetence as well. But don't you find it curious that it's typically the A side fighter who is the beneficiary of his early stoppages? This is just a coincidence of course. :rolleyes: A-side fighter Cello Renda gets his ass kicked by B-side Danny Butler : Foster doesn't stop it until Renda gets dropped several times and looks completely done. Another coincidence. If these guys don't get it at this point, they're in denial.

Groves should have gotten a chance since he was winning but he was fading. He was on his way to be getting TKO'd anyway.

Of course. I think it's the first one in regards to Howard Foster. I've seen enough of him to know he's simply a terrible referee. He'd lost control very early in the Froch fight and was all over the place. If it was incompetence, why didn't he stop it in the sixth(?) round, Froch was taking plenty of punishment then.

A person can be both incompetent and corrupt. Of course. I think it's the first one in regards to Howard Foster. I've seen enough of him to know he's simply a terrible referee. He'd lost control very early in the Froch fight and was all over the place.

Loads of people did. Why? Because Howard Foster is known for it. He's known for his incompetence and he's known for prematurely stopping fights. Shouldn't that answer the question here? A person can be both incompetent and corrupt.