Manny or Floyd: Who's had the best opponent in last five fights?

No one's disputing that, those are facts. Although, Tim was not top 3 when he fought Manny, but he was top 10. Don't know what you were trying to do there, but anyway. That's not what our dear Friend Michael was pointing out. He was stating that the majority of Manny fans, take you for example, were claiming that Tim Bradley wasn't that good. He went on to beat Marquez, now you guys love em. All I said was that Bradley didn't beat Manny but leading into the fight, most people were saying that Bradley will be a very tough fight for Manny. I thought so too and I remember Max Kellerman giving Bradley great odds of winning. I never said that Bradley is not good. I wouldn't rank him #3 P4P right now but that is just me .... So that even goes against what was said by him. BTW , he said "A win against JMM and suddenly Bradley .... " so that is why I said Bradley is currently #3 P4P ..... far from garbage as was stated by Michael P.

I noticed that you didn't refute any of my other points in the post lol, but that's neither here nor there. As it pertains to Shane Mosley, you can try all you want but the good thing about the real world is that facts exist, I'll give you a few. Shane was #3 on every P4P List that mattered at the time Shane was universally recognized as the #1 Welter Weight in the World. The majority of the boxing world was screaming for a Floyd/Shane fight after Floyd beat Marquez. The majority of the boxing world and the majority of the posters on this forum claimed that Floyd was afraid of Shane and that he would duck him. When Floyd won the fight, THEN AND ONLY THEN, was Shane looked at by the majority of the boxing world as a shot fighter. Not going into the fight, but after the beating he took, Critics and fans diminished Shane to discredit the win for Floyd. Regardless of what you personally feel about Shane Mosley, these are the irrefutable facts. What makes me think the Shane that Floyd fought beats Bradley, Marquez, Rios and Manny? Boxing ability, punching power and Ring IQ. Shane has those 3 attributes over Rios and Bradley, not too mention his hand speed which wasn't bad at the age of 38. Juan and Manny are just as smart as Shane in the ring, if not smarter. But Juan has no shot against him. Far too big and far too fast. Manny Pacquiao does not have the tools to outbox the #1 Welter in the world that was Shane Mosley. He does not have the physical strength nor punching power to keep Shane off of him if he were to make it a dog fight, Manny would have been out gunned, Freddie agree's, which is why he wanted him at 142 pounds. To answer your question, the difference between the Shane Manny fought and the one Floyd fought, was that 1 Shane was recognized by the majority of the boxing world as a legitimate threat. He was a world champion, #1 in his weight class and a pound for pounder. The other Shane was a shell of himself. Older, shot and hadn't won a fight in 3 years. Mosley was ranked that way, NOT for what he accomplished in mid 2010. You can almost say not even for what he accomplished in 2009 since the indicator was for beating, in January 2009, a brickless Margarito who just got caught and that was a whole 16 months prior to the Floyd fight . Now if you are the man who calls himself, "Unbiased" then you will concur that Mosley's state after that fight with Margarito was NOT the same Mosley who was INACTIVE and OLD (admitted by FLOYD) ..... There were even more indications but the point is with so much time elapsed, the ranking is meaningless for OLD Mosley! Mosley has not won a fight since January 2009

A win against JMM and suddenly Bradley has gone from garbage to a great fighter? Pacquiao fans are hilarious.:rofl: Michael, it PAINEs me to say this but YOU are hilarious! I guess Pac fans are in charge of making the P4P list because they have Bradley at, I believe #3 P4P. Marquez and Manny are also on that list. So all 3 are ahead of any of Floyd's opponents.

When was the last time Pac actually fought a WW???? lol

I don't believe Bradley or Marquez could move up to 154 and beat Cotto or Canelo. I don't believe Rios would beat Ortiz or Guerrero. And the Mosley that Floyd fought beats every guy on Manny's list including Manny himself. He was the #1 Welter in the world and Manny's team wanted no parts of em, Floyd did. http://cezl.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/time.jpg Really? What changed between the Mosley that fought Mayweather and the Mosley that Manny fought? Did Mayweather destroy him, did he put that much of a beating on him? Was Mosley completely ruined after he fought Mayweather? The truth is Mosley was done as early as 2007. He beat a dehydrated, 145.8 lb. at the weigh in, Margarito and the hype was back. What makes you think Mosley would beat everyone including Manny based on his terrible performance against Mayweather?

A win against JMM and suddenly Bradley has gone from garbage to a great fighter? Pacquiao fans are hilarious.:rofl:

Tim Bradley.

Who has had the single best opponent in their last five fights, Manny or Floyd? Explain your criteria as to why he was the best opponent. Youth, skill, experience, record, champion, intelligence? You can even talk about who's faced the better opposition in last five or six fights, too. Manny: Rios Marquez Bradley = ALL BUT BRADLEY CAME OFF OF LOSSES BEFORE FIGHTING PAC Marquez Mosley Floyd: Canelo Guerrero = ALL CAME OFF OF BIG WINS BEFORE FIGHTING FLOYD!Cotto Ortiz Mosley At the same time I think it is a tie because Floyd had a tough fight with cotto and pac had two tough fights with marquez! So in that aspect I think it is a tie!

In Mannys last 5 fights he has faced only 1 legit ranked ww..and that was Mosley who hadnt won in 2 damn years floyds last 5 fights he has faced 4 current champions and the other was a interim champion Funny statements. They have Khan ranked #2 at WW when I check because they want to pretend that he is legit for Floyd, if it happens. When Floyd fought Marquez, YOU, yes YOU said "but Marquez is #2 P4P". Now YOU have memory problems and forget about the fact that Marquez and Bradley are ranked P4P quite high. Now, I don't care too much that they are or aren't because that doesn't necessarily mean its legit but YOU DID!!! and Mosley was almost 39 years OLD and hadn't fought for 16 damn months when he faced Floyd!!!

amazing how all the sudden people wanna praise Bradley...lol this is a good day for flip flops

bradley is the best overall fighter at the moment when faced. canelo at 152............just no

It's obvious that Tim Bradley is the best... Canelo is just big. He's had his success against way smaller guys and when he stepped up against someone like Trout (who isn't that good) he won, but it was an unimpressive win.

How you vote for things depends on whether you are looking at the boxers pound for pound, or whether you looking at who would win in a fight. Canelo would likely beat most of the fighters on the list because he has a size advantage over them; it doesn't make him a better than them, but it arguably makes him the more difficult opponent. Exactly. I picked Canelo over Bradley because of the power gap Floyd faced. A lot of people wondered if Mayweather could stand up to Canelo's strength.

Seriously both can be criticized to death. But Floyd has looked more spectacular by far. Honestly the only named that matter PACs list is jmm and Bradley and face it he went 1-2.

How you vote for things depends on whether you are looking at the boxers pound for pound, or whether you looking at who would win in a fight. Canelo would likely beat most of the fighters on the list because he has a size advantage over them; it doesn't make him a better than them, but it arguably makes him the more difficult opponent.

Floyd TOYED WITH JUAN IN 2009 AT WW and got 0 credit for it..JUAN DID NOTHING ELSE AT WW NOTHING UNTIL HE FOUGHT MANNY...AND ALL THE SUDDEN THIS IS SUPPOSE TO BE A GOOD DAMN FIGHT AT WW? Styles make fights,,, jmm outboxes and counters aggressive come forward fighters,,, His style is horrible vs floyd, hence why he looked like a fool vs floyd manny's aggressive style plays right into jmm's gameplans, hence why they have great fights,, just like how floyd has tough fights vs hatton, cotto, yet manny destroys them with ease,, Its all about style matchups

Have no idea how canelos ahead of bradley or marquez nooooooooooooooo idea wtf !?!?!? Hes 23 and has maybe one decent win Floyd TOYED WITH JUAN IN 2009 AT WW and got 0 credit for it..JUAN DID NOTHING ELSE AT WW NOTHING UNTIL HE FOUGHT MANNY...AND ALL THE SUDDEN THIS IS SUPPOSE TO BE A GOOD DAMN FIGHT AT WW?

Ok lemme break it down for yall: Manny: Rios: nothing more than a slugger iwth power and a terrific chin, good come back fight for Pacman but nothing more than that. Marquez: Pac's Norton, say no more, every time these two get together it produces a great fight. Also a guy who maintains a certain level of p4p stature, top 10 for most of the last 6-7 years. fuk it if yall cant handle that. Bradley: Proven, currently no. 2 at 147, the more he fights, the better he looks as an opponent for Pac. Very good resume too and totally schooled JMM...Pac schooled him though, werent no win for the desert breeze. Best opponent of the lot. Marquez: see above Mosley: shot Floyd: Canelo: good young fighter, strong but slow and stamina problems. had to be drained to 152...for a unification bout, just plain stupid. Not good enough. Guerrero: b list, slight skills, ****. Cotto: past prime, already battered by Margarito and Pac, Floyd's best opponent and still gave him a tough fight. Ortiz: LOL Mosley: shot Pac wins this one folks, Bradley was the best opponent last 5 fights and he schooled him for 8 or 9 rounds. Haters gon hate though

Have no idea how canelos ahead of bradley or marquez nooooooooooooooo idea wtf !?!?!? Hes 23 and has maybe one decent win

You are saying Guerrero and Ortiz are legit welterweights? Guerrero had 2 fights at welterweight, while Ortiz had one welterweight fight before facing Floyd. There is a difference between legit champions and paper champions. You can say Ortiz(Berto), Cotto(Foreman), and Canelo(Hatton) were paper champions when Floyd faced them. There is also a saying that its tougher to defend your title than to take it from a champion. Canelo beat Trout who most thought he would lose to and was ranked decent in the division. Cotto established himself by beating Foreman, not for a vacant belt but by stopping Foreman (who beat Santos).He went on to stop Margarito and Mayorga-both durable and tough fighters much bigger than Miguel. Ortiz beat an undefeated Berto- sure, in hindsight we can talk crap about Berto, but Ortiz proved himself at the time as beating an undefeated WW champion. Manny's last few fights can be equally criticized...Marquez hasn't really been an established WW himself. Bradley had only fought once at WW before fighting Manny and Rios has NEVER fought at WW, in fact he lost his only fight at JWW! None of these guys Manny fought were champs in their divisions-none.