Carl Froch should go down as a all time great.

froch has been one of my favorite fighters to watch for several years now. he fights everbody. he's supremely conditioned, has the heart of a champion, and has some of the best recuperative powers you will see. his chin is unreal. he's not an all time great. he's not even close. you need to learn more about the sport if you really believe that. he shouldn't get into the hall of fame, but he very well may.

You sir are a fooking tool! Tool for what?Accepting reality?You can be a fan of the guy so am I but I don't need to fool myself into thinking hes the super midleweight champ.Andre Ward is the champ and Froch got some titles that don't mean anything.

Firstly the ref was completely correct, froch was pulverising him and would have ended groves career had it continued. Groves turned hs back once in round 8 and was getting pummeled and the ref dubiously saved him, round 9 was just going to be a train wreck. Well done ref. Also Froch has now beaten Kessler(twice imo), Groves, glen Johnson, jean Pascal, Jermaine Taylor, Arthur Abraham, Andre Dirrell, Glen Johnson, Yusaf mack, robin reid, and Lucien Bute. That is not all time great resume??? How dare you say something like this after that bs stoppage??? Cobra was getting handled.

Firstly the ref was completely correct, froch was pulverising him and would have ended groves career had it continued. Groves turned hs back once in round 8 and was getting pummeled and the ref dubiously saved him, round 9 was just going to be a train wreck. Well done ref. Also Froch has now beaten Kessler(twice imo), Groves, glen Johnson, jean Pascal, Jermaine Taylor, Arthur Abraham, Andre Dirrell, Glen Johnson, Yusaf mack, robin reid, and Lucien Bute. That is not all time great resume??? Glen Johnson (Old / noticeable losses Omar Sheika & Montell Griffin) Jean Pascal (Hype job but their fight was a really good one) Jermaine Taylor (Won twice against Hopkins but after that nothing) Arthur Abraham (Biggest Win Name = Jermaine Taylor after that nothing) Andre Dirrell (Won against Abraham off a DQ...) Yusaf Mack (who? Biggest win against Omar Sheika .................) Robin Reid (who? Lost against Jeff Lacy, Biggest win = Brian Magee........) Lucian Bute (Super hype job, lost his first fight against Librado Andrade -Ref was slacking- / Froch served that ass tho) All time great. Nope not at all.

More like the most over rated over hyped British boxer of all time. Turtle Speed Snail Reflexes and NOW a cracked downgraded China chin. Completely retard post. You obv haven't been watching boxing long.

More like the most over rated over hyped British boxer of all time. Turtle Speed Snail Reflexes and NOW a cracked downgraded China chin.

Everyone's upset because the ref didn't give Groves a chance to take more flush punches to the head. They shout robbery, trying to shroud the fact that Groves was fading fast, and their mixed feelings of "Brave" Groves in the first half got their spirits up, that they didn't want it torn down. It's a shame that no one is talking about the heart of a champion Froch who fought back from a serious 1st round KD to come back and TKO Groves who (as usual) gassed. Groves is better ... yet he can't beat a 'club fighter' like Froch, yeah seems legit. good post mate. Froch is just incredible. He just has incredible cardio.

Maybe not the best technically but he is a hell of a fighter, with an iron will to go along with his chin.

He's a future Hall of Famer no doubt.

Now thats funny an All time Great...................Dick Head Maybe a boxer hell no!

very tough but also very very very bad at everything else.lol

one of the toughest sonuva*****es ive seen

Froch is a paper champion. You sir are a fooking tool!

I no doubt will never forget Froch - he is a damn warrior and always comes to fight. He took a bomb in the first round and never stopped fighting. That stoppage was way premature, but I think the end was coming for Groves.

At least Manfredo wasn't firing back, Groves was still landing bombs on Froch and wasn't even hurt. Let's not pretend like this wasn't one of the worst stoppages of all time. Nah man, George was hurt. Stoppage was BS though and who knows he may have gotten through it, he deserved the chance after his performance and the fact that he was undefeated and challenging for a world title

Carl Froch will be in the Hall of fame someday, but he's not an all-time great. He's been outboxed several times in his career. He gets by on his chin, and durability.

Froch is a paper champion...Theres only one super midleweight champion and we all know who that is.As for ATG status not even close.Good fighter yes but ATG or P4P NO.He's not even the best at one weight class :wtf1:

Ah yes sorry his domestic career, Brian Magee, Tony Dodson etc. But then he was dropped and left in the dark for quite a while until they picked him back on. So Glen Johnson was his first fight (back) on Sky, is what I should have said. And he certainly was unknown in the grand scheme of things. He was about as known as Martin Murray is now to the casual audience. Yeah, he definitely wasn't well know, I just meant he'd had more exposure on TV earlier in his career than your post indicated. It is very strange that after having his domestic career shown on Sky, then his first title fight on ITV that he was relegated to lesser known subscription channels for a long time. Anyone have any idea why that happened? I'm sure there was a reason, but I have no idea what it might be :lol1:

His fight with Robin Reid was on Sky Sports in 2007, and as far as I know a few of his other fights around that time were on Sky. His fights against Albert Rybacki and Jean Pascal were shown in ITV 1, one of the largest TV channels in the UK. So, he wasn't that unknown. He was just massively overshadowed by guys like Hatton, Khan and Haye. Ah yes sorry his domestic career, Brian Magee, Tony Dodson etc. But then he was dropped and left in the dark for quite a while until they picked him back on. So Glen Johnson was his first fight (back) on Sky, is what I should have said. And he certainly was unknown in the grand scheme of things. He was about as known as Martin Murray is now to the casual audience.

He was very far from a popular British boxing star though. I think it was probably the Bute fight that confirmed him as a star. Oh, no doubt. He was only known to boxing fans, and even then a lot of the more casual fans still didn't really know who he was. I just meant he wasn't underground as the post I responded to made it sound like. It took a long, long time for him to get out of the shadows of the bigger British names. I would agree the Bute fight was the fight that got him noticed a lot more. He was getting more recognition through his will to fight anyone over the years, but I think that destruction job made more casual fans begin to take notice of him.