CARL FROCH can recall the exact moment he began to detest “jealous” George Groves.
Froch defends his IBF and WBA super-middleweight titles against Groves on Saturday and there will be plenty of tension in the air when they climb into the Manchester ring.
According to Froch, his animosity towards Groves stems from the Londoner’s ringside reaction within seconds of him landing the IBF belt in May last year.
Froch, 36, collected the crown with a fifth-round stoppage of Lucian Bute and Groves was one of the observers at a packed Nottingham Arena.
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Froch had some kind of issue before that, he's been very hostile to Groves right from the outset.
Froch doesn't appear to like other British fighters success, he sees it as a threat to him. He wanted Haye to retire, he never liked Khan's success, he didn't want Hatton to come back. With the exception of the guys Eddie tells him to root for, it seems he wants to be the only one.
Where did you read that? it wouldn't surprise me to be honest.
That bit about not liking British fighters is bang on, I remember when he was asked about the Khan vs Kotelnik fight he said something along the lines of- I didn't bother watching it, a friend told me it was boring though.
That's why i find his indignation about the Kessler sparring and the fact the entire British boxing community was cheering and patting him on the back to be a load of hypocritical bullsh1t.
Groves can try box like Dirrell all he wants, hes not that fleet-footed, that fast or a southpaw. He is noway near as skilled as Andre Dirrell but I see the reference in that hes probably going to be negative and stink out the joint.
Expecting a cautious Groves who is going to find Froch's jab a lot harder to deal with than he anticipates. I think hes going to be negative & box cautiously off the backfoot. He will soon realise this is no defensive counterpuncher fighting on the front-foot in James DeFail.
He'll have success early on but get clipped with something probably a right hand over that lazy as hell left and its all downhill from there as far as I am concerned. From what I've seen his chin isn't good & he does not recover well or have good survival instincts. Man vs boy
Froch will bulldoze him.
I keep seeing this. That Groves should take Dirrell's approach.
Groves isn't Dirrell.
Ok but he did lose to Kessler, and did struggle against Dirrell and Johnson...
I didn't see the part where he said Froch doesn't fight anyone, if you could find it that'd be great cause i def missed that point, and if Groves said that he is wrong.
OK... So Carl is allowed to be angry at Joe for not acknowledging him, but when Carl is sitting right next to George it's ok for him to point blank ignore him and never answer any questions?
And if Froch wanted to keep his title (Which he did) Groves was his mandatory.
No he didn't struggle with Johnson #1. And #2 it's the way he's saying it, he's saying it a dissmissive way.
I didn't say he said that, I said he said that he had no choice but to fight who he fought again downplaying what he's done. Froch has travalled the world and fought everyone, any place, any time.
Not really the same is it because George has already acted the way he has to make Froch act in that manner.
Froch and Pacquiao by stoppage Dan? I think so.
Yeah most definitely. I think Froch around mid-point and a part of me thinks Manny could have Rios out early. The weight, never having fought a southpaw, being made too order. If Manny is at 50% for me he drills Rios.
Groves can try box like Dirrell all he wants, hes not that fleet-footed, that fast or a southpaw. He is noway near as skilled as Andre Dirrell but I see the reference in that hes probably going to be negative and stink out the joint.
Expecting a cautious Groves who is going to find Froch's jab a lot harder to deal with than he anticipates. I think hes going to be negative & box cautiously off the backfoot. He will soon realise this is no defensive counterpuncher fighting on the front-foot in James DeFail.
He'll have success early on but get clipped with something probably a right hand over that lazy as hell left and its all downhill from there as far as I am concerned. From what I've seen his chin isn't good & he does not recover well or have good survival instincts. Man vs boy
Froch will bulldoze him.
Froch and Pacquiao by stoppage Dan? I think so.
Yeah I saw it. He wasn't being as dismissive as usual but he was still being disrespectful.
He was saying Jody Morris "he lost to Dirrell, lost to Ward, struggled with Johnson. Oh yeah beat Abraham, lost to Kessler. So not really impressive really"
He even tried to downplay the guys willingness to fight anyone and anywhere by saying "he had no choice"
This was all on Beyond The Ropes which was apparently him being respectful :lol1:
Carl had reason to be angry because he was mandatory and Calzaghe would barely adkowledge him and wouldn't fight him so of course that's going to annoy him personally.
Froch has given Groves this opportunity, he didn't have to.
Ok but he did lose to Kessler, and did struggle against Dirrell and Johnson...
I didn't see the part where he said Froch doesn't fight anyone, if you could find it that'd be great cause i def missed that point, and if Groves said that he is wrong.
OK... So Carl is allowed to be angry at Joe for not acknowledging him, but when Carl is sitting right next to George it's ok for him to point blank ignore him and never answer any questions?
And if Froch wanted to keep his title (Which he did) Groves was his mandatory.
Groves can try box like Dirrell all he wants, hes not that fleet-footed, that fast or a southpaw. He is noway near as skilled as Andre Dirrell but I see the reference in that hes probably going to be negative and stink out the joint.
Expecting a cautious Groves who is going to find Froch's jab a lot harder to deal with than he anticipates. I think hes going to be negative & box cautiously off the backfoot. He will soon realise this is no defensive counterpuncher fighting on the front-foot in James DeFail.
He'll have success early on but get clipped with something probably a right hand over that lazy as hell left and its all downhill from there as far as I am concerned. From what I've seen his chin isn't good & he does not recover well or have good survival instincts. Man vs boy
Froch will bulldoze him.
Froch had some kind of issue before that, he's been very hostile to Groves right from the outset.
He's had this same dismissive attitude for a while that's why. Downplaying what he's done.
Before the fight was signed.
Guess you didn't see George's behind the ropes? He was pretty respectful then, said he was a good fighter and a good world champion and he needed to be focussed and believe in himself.
I think its very similar to Carl's attitude towards Calzaghe who achieved more (world champion wise) than Carl (before anyone mentions, yes Froch has a much better resume).
But it's all a ploy by George to make Carl fight angry and try to Bute him... but this time it's not going to be surprised... I expect George to fight a lot like Dirrell tomorrow.
Yeah I saw it. He wasn't being as dismissive as usual but he was still being disrespectful.
He was saying Jody Morris "he lost to Dirrell, lost to Ward, struggled with Johnson. Oh yeah beat Abraham, lost to Kessler. So not really impressive really"
He even tried to downplay the guys willingness to fight anyone and anywhere by saying "he had no choice"
This was all on Beyond The Ropes which was apparently him being respectful :lol1:
Carl had reason to be angry because he was mandatory and Calzaghe would barely adkowledge him and wouldn't fight him so of course that's going to annoy him personally.
Froch has given Groves this opportunity, he didn't have to.
I've been informed by a source that Adam Booth is going to pop up. Not that that makes any difference to Froch, but it shows that the 'split' between Groves and Booth was utter BS; much like David Haye's supposed 'retirement'.
Its all smoke and mirrors.
How reliable and in the know is this source??
Coz after seeing Groves interview with Kugan Cassius after the presser yday, I'm starting to think Booth will be in the Groves corner. He'll definitely be there with Andy Lee either way...
The issue Froch has is the way Groves downplays what he's done and is dismissive about what he's accomplished.
Froch had some kind of issue before that, he's been very hostile to Groves right from the outset.
I think its very similar to Carl's attitude towards Calzaghe who achieved more (world champion wise) than Carl (before anyone mentions, yes Froch has a much better resume).
Froch doesn't appear to like other British fighters success, he sees it as a threat to him. He wanted Haye to retire, he never liked Khan's success, he didn't want Hatton to come back. With the exception of the guys Eddie tells him to root for, it seems he wants to be the only one.
Trying to sell the fight man. Apparently, somehow, PPV figures are higher than the Kessler already.
Where did you read that? it wouldn't surprise me to be honest.
Guess you didn't see George's behind the ropes? He was pretty respectful then, said he was a good fighter and a good world champion and he needed to be focussed and believe in himself.
I think its very similar to Carl's attitude towards Calzaghe who achieved more (world champion wise) than Carl (before anyone mentions, yes Froch has a much better resume).
But it's all a ploy by George to make Carl fight angry and try to Bute him... but this time it's not going to be surprised... I expect George to fight a lot like Dirrell tomorrow.
more world title fights but against much worse opposition. froch achieved more in much less time. he didn't waste 10 ten years fighting bums. chris john achieved more than froch too? lol!
The issue Froch has is the way Groves downplays what he's done and is dismissive about what he's accomplished.
He then tries to justify it by saying "All I'm doing is telling the truth".
He's been disrespectful, It's clear as day.
He doesn't have to treat him like royalty but atleast show respect for a guy who's done a lot in recent times and don't dismiss what he's done.
Guess you didn't see George's behind the ropes? He was pretty respectful then, said he was a good fighter and a good world champion and he needed to be focussed and believe in himself.
I think its very similar to Carl's attitude towards Calzaghe who achieved more (world champion wise) than Carl (before anyone mentions, yes Froch has a much better resume).
But it's all a ploy by George to make Carl fight angry and try to Bute him... but this time it's not going to be surprised... I expect George to fight a lot like Dirrell tomorrow.
Froch is the man should be P4P in the top 10 , but he's talking mad sh*t this last few months
Trying to sell the fight man. Apparently, somehow, PPV figures are higher than the Kessler already.