Unless he is completely shot next year, I pick Martinez to dominate GGG

After watching GGG`s fight with a past his prime Kassim Ouma,i could see even a shot Sergio Martinez beating GGG.GGG struggled real bad against a past his prime Ouma.At the time of stoppage,the fight was close.A prime Ouma would have probably beaten GGG. Prime Sergio was close on the cards with Macklin before the stoppage. How would GGG do vs Macklin, what do you think? Prime Sergio also lost about 5 rounds to Cintron. Cintron!

Last time out, post-injury Sergio looked like a shell of the fighter he was. He looked slower, heavier, lacked his usual sharpness and snap. I don't know if that Sergio can beat any top fighter. Prime Sergio, IMO, beats GGG up. His speed, jab and movement (not to mention power) were all great. If he can get the 185lb iron chinned Chavez backing up, he can back anyone up.

Martinez's style is all wrong for GGG, who is a strong solid fighter but brings nothing to the table that Martinez has not seen. GGG wont be the strongest fighter he ever fought, Chavez was huge and a crusierweight fight night. He may not even be the hardest hitter he may face considering Pavlik has an 80%+ ko percentage against stiffer competition than GGG. If he comes back in good shape and fully rehabbed I can see Martinez stopping GGG late on cuts or an accumulation of punishment. A good long rest May benefit Martinez who has been fighting at a high level for a while and fights at a fast pace. GGG doesnt move his head, has to be set to punch. He does go to the body well and that will help him but Martinez is not a powder puff puncher, should have his movement back, and is tricky. After watching GGG`s fight with a past his prime Kassim Ouma,i could see even a shot Sergio Martinez beating GGG.GGG struggled real bad against a past his prime Ouma.At the time of stoppage,the fight was close.A prime Ouma would have probably beaten GGG.

Quote: Originally Posted by JaguaresMx so according to you Sergio Martinez, Pavlik, and Paul Williams were overrated trash. good to know. Great internet knowledge. Pavlik was a good Middleweight who couldn't deal with slick fighters. Williams was outboxed by Quintana and Lara (yet won somehow). He never proved anything at 160. Macklin, Barker, Murrey all average to slightly above average fighters. Nothing special at all. Chavez is all size no ability. Martinez's run has not been that impressive. It's unfortunate the division is finally getting better while he breaks down. He has plenty of flaws though that better fighters would take advantage of. Hell Kermit Cintron was outboxing him for stretches of their fight. To Martinez's credit I think Golovkin would have struggled against Pavlik. good points. Seems people are still stuck on the kO of Tall Paul. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

Martinez stops GGG late, after being knocked down twice

Martinez's style is all wrong for GGG, who is a strong solid fighter but brings nothing to the table that Martinez has not seen. GGG wont be the strongest fighter he ever fought, Chavez was huge and a crusierweight fight night. He may not even be the hardest hitter he may face considering Pavlik has an 80%+ ko percentage against stiffer competition than GGG. If he comes back in good shape and fully rehabbed I can see Martinez stopping GGG late on cuts or an accumulation of punishment. A good long rest May benefit Martinez who has been fighting at a high level for a while and fights at a fast pace. GGG doesnt move his head, has to be set to punch. He does go to the body well and that will help him but Martinez is not a powder puff puncher, should have his movement back, and is tricky. I can see why you'd think this given GGG's last fight. He didn't look fast enough to handle a healthy Sergio. I'd still lean toward GGG. I think his skill set will nuetralize sergio's speed.

Martinez woulda had trouble with GGG when he was fresher he's not shot yet, but he's slipping for sure GGG will definitely beat him, maybe KO him Martinez needs movement to handle him, he won't have it he was easy to find for Murray and got dropped a couple times Murray isn't even a power puncher either GGG will give him a beating if they fight

hahaha now that's a funny expression (at least for me as a non-native English speaker)- what exactly does it mean? I agree with regard to Kessler and Froch btw. lol it's short for "porky pies" which is cockney rhyming slang for lies. porky pies Porky pies rhymes with lies - cockney rhyming slang. You tellin' me porky pies? You tellin' me porkies?

Only time will tell. Unfortunately even if GGG beats Martinez people will give him a little credit. There will always be a 'mystical, prime' Martinez that would beat him. but that's with the all ATG fighters out there..

Martinez a couple years ago I would have favored but he has been in a few rough bouts and it is catching up with him. The injuries take their toll too.

Maybe man, maybe. Time will tell. I don't listen to everything Sanchez says mind, I don't think he's shy about telling the odd porky here and there. Froch and Kessler would've buried him I think. Lying on the ropes like he did wasn't a good idea. hahaha now that's a funny expression (at least for me as a non-native English speaker)- what exactly does it mean? I agree with regard to Kessler and Froch btw.

Triple G folds Martinez flat on his face. Prime for prime Maravilla goes life and death with him and ultimately stops GGG

Serge has proven a lot more in the ring against much better competition. I think GGG will go as far as that intimidation factor will carry him a la Mike Tyson. I thought that Quillin would be able to outbox GGG but he probably could have lost to Rosado had the fight gone the full 12 ( a lot of credit to Rosado his past few fights). The horizon looks good for GGG at the moment but he will no doubt have to move up to have some real competition.

If he's no better than he was against Murray, Martinez is getting stopped. I certainly wouldn't count Sergio out, maybe he pulls off that last great performance and beats Golovkin's ass. I wouldn't expect it though.

I think people are missing the point GGG can adopt. He barely got hit in the first 2 rounds against Stevens. Only when he felt he can deal with his power easily, he turn it off and gone full 'killing mode'. I would say he almost doesn't care if he gets hit in the process. Sanchez said the same thing - that he needs to get some LHW or CW to make Gennady work on his defense. If he is to fight Froch I guarantee his game plan would be much different. For the start he wouldn't need to take the opponent in the first 5 rounds not to be marked as 'exposed'. Maybe man, maybe. Time will tell. I don't listen to everything Sanchez says mind, I don't think he's shy about telling the odd porky here and there. I actually won't chose many SMW to take out focused Stevens that fought Gennady. Froch and Kessler would've buried him I think. Lying on the ropes like he did wasn't a good idea.

He hits more often, and it only takes one well-placed shot to change a fight. Seeing how easily a southpaw in Proksa got through on Golovkin has to be a touch worrying for his chances. In saying that, Murray may have laid the blueprint on how to beat Martinez. I favour Golovkin to beat Martinez but in the longer term I think the bottom line is that Golovkin gets hit too much, imo he's going to get caught and stopped somewhere along the line. That's a misconception. His last 5 opponents landed at an average of 23%, that's less than Broner's last 5 (25%).

He hits more often, and it only takes one well-placed shot to change a fight. Seeing how easily a southpaw in Proksa got through on Golovkin has to be a touch worrying for his chances. In saying that, Murray may have laid the blueprint on how to beat Martinez. I favour Golovkin to beat Martinez but in the longer term I think the bottom line is that Golovkin gets hit too much, imo he's going to get caught and stopped somewhere along the line. I think people are missing the point GGG can adopt. He barely got hit in the first 2 rounds against Stevens. Only when he felt he can deal with his power easily, he turn it off and gone full 'killing mode'. I would say he almost doesn't care if he gets hit in the process. Sanchez said the same thing - that he needs to get some LHW or CW to make Gennady work on his defense. If he is to fight Froch I guarantee his game plan would be much different. For the start he wouldn't need to take the opponent in the first 5 rounds not to be marked as 'exposed'. I actually won't chose many SMW to take out focused Stevens that fought Gennady.

Honestly I can't see Martinez beating GGG. Not after I saw how Gennady can take the punch. I don't believe Martinez hits harder or as hard as Stevens and Gennady gone through it like it was nothing. martinez is good, he is very good, but he is not floyd. Eventually Gennady would connect and that's it. He hits more often, and it only takes one well-placed shot to change a fight. Seeing how easily a southpaw in Proksa got through on Golovkin has to be a touch worrying for his chances. In saying that, Murray may have laid the blueprint on how to beat Martinez. I favour Golovkin to beat Martinez but in the longer term I think the bottom line is that Golovkin gets hit too much, imo he's going to get caught and stopped somewhere along the line.

Honestly I can't see Martinez beating GGG. Not after I saw how Gennady can take the punch. I don't believe Martinez hits harder or as hard as Stevens and Gennady gone through it like it was nothing. martinez is good, he is very good, but he is not floyd. Eventually Gennady would connect and that's it.

Why not break the fight down? Make an argument for HOW GGG wins because when it comes down to resumes there really is only one winner there. Martinez is more hittable than he's ever been, he doesn't move as well as he used to and he doesn't judge distance as well as he used to. And even at his best, he always had poor defense on the inside or at mid-range. All GGG has to do is close the distance with a right hand and then follow up with a left hook when he's in range. Like these guys did : http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1578561/m2_medium.gif http://www.abload.de/img/chavezm0sgd.gif Can GGG do it? Hell yeah : http://abload.de/img/insta005b4us5.gif http://abload.de/img/insta006inugm.gif I can't pick against Sergio anymore and, believe me, I was a long time skeptic of his. So even with diminished footwork and reflexes, can't count him out. We didn't see the output he had against JR in the Murray fight. but Martin had a good gameplan which took a little from Barker's plan, in addition to the fact he is a TANK just like JR. GGG is a leaner, meaner tank but it appears that you might be able to keep him at bay, and moving back with a high output, and marginal footwork. Still doesn't mean jack as to who will win, but Sergio will be landing, and we know he can crack. You can't count him out but it's clear he's severely declining. But the thing is, even if he was at his peak, GGG is the type of fighter that would always give him problems.