This thread is a sequel to: Should boxing have a scoreboard
But basically, as the title says, judges shouldn't be allowed ringside to score a fight... They should each be in a separate room watching on a silent TV that shows the different camera angles available at home...
I think that makes more sense, then sitting in a static view point, with ropes obscuring their vision, with the crowd influencing what they see... As long as there's no commentary for them to listen to (which there isn't ringside, so no big change there) they are able to objectively score fights...
And if we still get bad scorecards, it'll at least be WAY more obvious there was corruption involved cause they can't use the "fights look different from different angles" excuse...
What do u think about that?
LMAO,but for real tho..Sometimes people see a different fight,and have a different perspective..I mean last night and fights like Lara Pwill are so obvious,so I can understand why people get mad at those kinda cards in fights like that..
If you take certain facts out of the sport,I just believe it becomes less interesting..
There's still subjectivity... Some judges like pressure fighters, some like defensive boxers, some score activity, some score precision punching, etc, etc, etc...
It's all still there... Close fights can still be made interesting
Just horse**** robberies lose all credibility, no more claims of seeing things different, no more claims of being influenced by the crowd... Just obvious corruption, and hopefully more curb kicking
Aaaahh... A Bradley fan I see...
Lol, JK
LMAO,but for real tho..Sometimes people see a different fight,and have a different perspective..I mean last night and fights like Lara Pwill are so obvious,so I can understand why people get mad at those kinda cards in fights like that..
If you take certain facts out of the sport,I just believe it becomes less interesting..
This is my point...if you were sitting up close what your eyes saw is what happened. If you are sitting ringside you will see small details that you wouldn't see otherwise like maybe eyes rolling for a brief second. That is why sometimes it looks like the ref stops a fight prematurely on TV because he standing right next to the guy and sees his eyes roll...he knows the guy's in trouble yet you at home thinks it was an early stoppage because there is no way the camera picked that up.
Okay... So a guy sitting at one end of the ring, no the floor behind a table, with ropes obscuring his vision can see a guys eyeballs rolling in his head on the other side of the ring??
In the final moments of Corrales vs Castillo, in once camera angle, it looked like the fight was stopped prematurely... Yes
But thanks to the resource of having another camera angle handy, you could see Castillo was out on his feet
That's the whole point, man... MULTIPLE CAMERA ANGLES... THAT is the advantage
I've been to live fights... Some looked entirely one-sided in person, but far closer on TV... Others were the other way around
This is my point...if you were sitting up close what your eyes saw is what happened. If you are sitting ringside you will see small details that you wouldn't see otherwise like maybe eyes rolling for a brief second. That is why sometimes it looks like the ref stops a fight prematurely on TV because he standing right next to the guy and sees his eyes roll...he knows the guy's in trouble yet you at home thinks it was an early stoppage because there is no way the camera picked that up.
Your wrong...cameras can create quite the illusion. It would be hard to understand unless you are standing there while things are being filmed. I'm sure you know that when you are watching a fight scene in film that it may look like someone is being punched in the face with a devastating blow when in reality the punch doesn't even come close to the actor's face and I'm sure you understand that. The same illusion sometimes inadvertently happens when they are broadcasting the fight. They also have the judges sitting on various sides of the ring so they see different angles. The system isn't perfect and as Russian Crushin said there is also corruption in the sport. But cameras lie...trust me i worked in the industry for 5 years.
I don't think I am, I just think you don't understand
Are you saying that a stationary position is superior to multiple camera views? I'm not saying the camera will catch everything, but multiple cameras will WITHOUT QUESTION catch more than a person sitting ringside
I've been to live fights... Some looked entirely one-sided in person, but far closer on TV... Others were the other way around
Different camera angles are an advantage for many reasons
This is kinda of a contradiction... I mean, if camera being at the wrong angle at the wrong time effects how some punches look when they land/don't land than how will being in one static position going to help??
I'm pretty sure judges missed MOST of the work Lara put in against Vanes Martirosyan was stuff u can only see from the right camera angle, which is why that fight ended up a draw...
Camera's may not catch everything, but they catch more than someone possibly could sitting at a table on one side of the ring
Your wrong...cameras can create quite the illusion. It would be hard to understand unless you are standing there while things are being filmed. I'm sure you know that when you are watching a fight scene in film that it may look like someone is being punched in the face with a devastating blow when in reality the punch doesn't even come close to the actor's face and I'm sure you understand that. The same illusion sometimes inadvertently happens when they are broadcasting the fight. They also have the judges sitting on various sides of the ring so they see different angles. The system isn't perfect and as Russian Crushin said there is also corruption in the sport. But cameras lie...trust me i worked in the industry for 5 years.
muting it is stupid...just take out the commentary track.
These blueprints I came up with aren't the be all end all... A silent TV, muting the TV, whatever
People need to realize that the judges are not incompetent, they are corrupt!
You're gonna tell me a judge, who has gone thru training on how to score a fight and was approved for a license, picks the wrong guy in a pretty obvious 1 sided affair? Think about it, how can you score for the other guy when he clearly is getting beat, what can they possibly see? Vanes didn't land sh1t, how can you score for him?
What my whole point is that with this type of scoring, corruption will be a whole lot more obvious, e.g. punishment such as CJ Ross received will be made with much more haste
No more beating around the bush... No more blaming it on crowd reactions, the fight looking different from different sides of the ring, no more similar horseshit...
We already have to compete with the subjectivity of judges scoring activity over clean punching, aggression over defense, SUPERSTAR fighters getting the nod in close rounds... Now they should clean up all the other rough edges
Nah,I like the way fights have been being judge throughout the yrs..They just need to train the judges better tbh..This sport is subjective,I like that about it,leave the sport how it is..
Aaaahh... A Bradley fan I see...
Lol, JK
They should actually be at ring level, not below it. A platform for them to sit in each corner would do wonders for their scoring.
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People need to realize that the judges are not incompetent, they are corrupt!
You're gonna tell me a judge, who has gone thru training on how to score a fight and was approved for a license, picks the wrong guy in a pretty obvious 1 sided affair? Think about it, how can you score for the other guy when he clearly is getting beat, what can they possibly see? Vanes didn't land sh1t, how can you score for him?
THIS!!!
It's the honest truth, and at this point judges are just not caring, it's obvious that there is corruption going on.
They took out CJ ROSS, but there are plenty more.
People need to realize that the judges are not incompetent, they are corrupt!
You're gonna tell me a judge, who has gone thru training on how to score a fight and was approved for a license, picks the wrong guy in a pretty obvious 1 sided affair? Think about it, how can you score for the other guy when he clearly is getting beat, what can they possibly see? Vanes didn't land sh1t, how can you score for him?
That's a good idea. I still like my idea if having 9 or 11 judges kinda like figure skating which would nullify the couple of retards and blind judges.
I would say at least 5 and drop the high/low for each guy then add the scores together. 7 would work good though have 1 watch from each side of the ring and have 3 watching from tvs feed. Thus keeping the tradition of ringside scoring with bringing in the new technology.
Nah,I like the way fights have been being judge throughout the yrs..They just need to train the judges better tbh..This sport is subjective,I like that about it,leave the sport how it is..
Lol these judges know how to score there has been crazy scoring for a while, its not cuase they cant score its because they are paid off its so obvious
Last night the judges had Darchynian winning, but do you really think the same score cards would of been turned in if it would gone the distance, Rigondeaux was schooling Nonito easy he didnt win a round he jist scored a KD n he still came close to winning in 2 of the cards
Watching a fight on TV or a monitor DOES NOT accurately represent the fight. I have worked on film and TV sets and where fight scenes were being shot and thought what I was seeing would never fly in a million years. Then a few months later I'd see it on TV and think wow they really pulled it off.
The camera angle changes everything and can make a punch that is almost a foot away look like a connect. This is why sometimes what looks like a major misjudging from your living room something that the judges ringside saw very differently. A guy can snap his head out of the way of a punch that missed and look on TV as a punch that snapped the guy's head back because the camera was more over the shoulder's POV. I'm not saying judges don't get it wrong sometimes but you are not seeing the same fight on TV as they do ringside...so it really is a terrible idea.
This is kinda of a contradiction... I mean, if camera being at the wrong angle at the wrong time effects how some punches look when they land/don't land than how will being in one static position going to help??
I'm pretty sure judges missed MOST of the work Lara put in against Vanes Martirosyan was stuff u can only see from the right camera angle, which is why that fight ended up a draw...
Camera's may not catch everything, but they catch more than someone possibly could sitting at a table on one side of the ring
Watching a fight on TV or a monitor DOES NOT accurately represent the fight. I have worked on film and TV sets and where fight scenes were being shot and thought what I was seeing would never fly in a million years. Then a few months later I'd see it on TV and think wow they really pulled it off.
The camera angle changes everything and can make a punch that is almost a foot away look like a connect. This is why sometimes what looks like a major misjudging from your living room something that the judges ringside saw very differently. A guy can snap his head out of the way of a punch that missed and look on TV as a punch that snapped the guy's head back because the camera was more over the shoulder's POV. I'm not saying judges don't get it wrong sometimes but you are not seeing the same fight on TV as they do ringside...so it really is a terrible idea.
horrible idea. the trouble through time has been honesty, changing the view will change nothing. These guys know what they see............ Rockin':boxing:
Is it a horrible idea, or do u just think it won't work?
What about putting em in a room, and MUTING the damn audio?
or is that too far?
Well, I was thinking they would have new specially built TV's that don't have sound
Lol, excuse me for not clarifying exactly how the TV becomes silent...