GGG Cannot Fight Going Backwards!

What fight were you watching?

I think the problem is ppl simply don't like when u criticize their fighters. It was a simple, well thought out criticism but ppl are against it for some reason. The funny thing is most here thing golovkin is the real deal at mw. But saying he has a flaw is not hating, it's being a boxing observer. exactly,,, me and a couple of the other guys arent trying to tear down ggg as a fighter and say he is a hype job,, we are just expressing our observations,,, im glad someone realizes that

I think the problem is ppl simply don't like when u criticize their fighters. It was a simple, well thought out criticism but ppl are against it for some reason. The funny thing is most here thing golovkin is the real deal at mw. But saying he has a flaw is not hating, it's being a boxing observer.

Its not like GGG looks like garbage going backwards,, its just that he doesnt seem as comfortable and is the only time he ever gets hit flush,, watch him vs ouma, rosado, stevens fights and in all of them, the only time they had any type of success was when ggg was going backwards,,,, and its not just going backwards but the fact that those guys when they got off first they had success,,, I think to beat ggg, you need to get off first with punches and make him go backwards,, if you allow him to throw first and come forward, your getting beat down,,,, i agree, he like pacquiao is always looking for a counter, wondering when the opponents combo is going to end, so they take a step or two back then stop looking for a counter, that's when they get caught, they dont go into defense mode and just jump out of there he is his safest no doubt when he is pumping his jab while cautiously on the look out for return fire

floyd goes straight back alot, he only turns when he's touches the ropes duran is always circling, dunno bout chavez will have to rewatch the fight, because i didn't get this feeling of "wow, triple g sucks going backwards" watching it the first time, the sequences were so short, and it might have just been him keeping his range, he moves back to maintain the range then quickly tries to mount an offense again set-up by heavy jabs that keep the opponent busy as he sneakly closes in for hooks out-boxers are just trying to keep far away, they aren't looking for hooks to the body or to the head most of the time, they are circling with jabs that you usually catch the end of and looking to potshot with a straight and bolt again Its not like GGG looks like garbage going backwards,, its just that he doesnt seem as comfortable and is the only time he ever gets hit flush,, watch him vs ouma, rosado, stevens fights and in all of them, the only time they had any type of success was when ggg was going backwards,,,, and its not just going backwards but the fact that those guys when they got off first they had success,,, I think to beat ggg, you need to get off first with punches and make him go backwards,, if you allow him to throw first and come forward, your getting beat down,,,,

irondan, pigsfly, and myself arent saying that ggg is a hype job or anything like that,, All we are saying is that after watching ggg fights, it has become apparent that he does not feel comfortable going backwards,,, He is a really good fighter, we can all agree, but at the same time he does seem vulnerable when going backwards,, he sorta goes back in a straight line, wheras a guy like floyd, chavez, duran would go backwards but at an angle and not straight back,,, GGG hasnt faced anybody that can deal with his firepower, but eventually he will fight somebody that can, and if he continues to go straightback like jermain taylor, ggg will pay a price,,, That seems to be the only time ggg is vulnerable,,, he is obviously a beast when coming forward behind the jab,, pushing him back will require some power, chin, and some movement to avoid the incoming shots but when pushed back ggg looks vulnerable,,, that is all that we are trying to say,, and its just not this fight,, if you watch the ouma and rosado fights you will notice it too,,, Now saying all of that, it will still take a very top level guy to push him back and currently none of the top mw in the world have the skill set to do that,,, floyd goes straight back alot, he only turns when he's touches the ropes duran is always circling, dunno bout chavez will have to rewatch the fight, because i didn't get this feeling of "wow, triple g sucks going backwards" watching it the first time, the sequences were so short, and it might have just been him keeping his range, he moves back to maintain that range for his heavy jabs(which have him closer to his opponent) that keep the opponent busy as he sneakly closes in for hooks out-boxers are just trying to keep far away, they aren't looking for hooks to the body or to the head most of the time, they are circling with jabs that you usually catch the end of and looking to potshot with a straight and bolt again

People say he's a good boxer though :dunno: he's obviously a good boxer, out-boxer is a different story but he's no brawler

There was nothing in last nights fight to suggest Golovkin could not fight going backwards. Maybe he just chose not to. Golovkin knew it was Stevens who could not fight going backwards so he kept resetting to push him back. When Stevens did land, it was when Golovkin was in the pocket with him and Stevens would lunge with a combination. Golovkin would step back and reset. Now he made mistakes in his retreats and got clipped. That is something he should work on. He was not on the back foot long enough for us to suggest anything, it was his transitions that were a bit shaky This would be like all the clowns who said Mayweather could not fight off the ropes well when he fought Castillo or early in the fight against Hatton. Some nuts also said Floyd could not fight well going forward. he also proved that wrong many times. What I was impressed by last night was Golovkins Jab. He had Stevens looking like a pez dispenser. It was a slow, methodical beatdown against a limited, but very live and dangerous puncher. Golovkin's jab is a shotgun. Really good weapon, hurts to watch how it snaps heads back, can't imagine getting hit by it.

I observed that too, but that being said is not an easy task to back him up in the first place. exactly,, i wont be easy and will take a top level guy to succeed, but that seems to be his vulnerability,, Standing there and letting him box you is a recipe for getting beatdown,,

I observed that too, but that being said is not an easy task to back him up in the first place.

just caught the fight and um some of you guys are being a bit harsh. yeah stevens gave him a couple of good looks but ggg handled it like a champ. LOL I honestly don't get it? He get's hit while backing up for a few seconds after beating the **** of a turtled up stevens who unleashes a desperation attack and it's seen as a weakness? OMFG! irondan, pigsfly, and myself arent saying that ggg is a hype job or anything like that,, All we are saying is that after watching ggg fights, it has become apparent that he does not feel comfortable going backwards,,, He is a really good fighter, we can all agree, but at the same time he does seem vulnerable when going backwards,, he sorta goes back in a straight line, wheras a guy like floyd, chavez, duran would go backwards but at an angle and not straight back,,, GGG hasnt faced anybody that can deal with his firepower, but eventually he will fight somebody that can, and if he continues to go straightback like jermain taylor, ggg will pay a price,,, That seems to be the only time ggg is vulnerable,,, he is obviously a beast when coming forward behind the jab,, pushing him back will require some power, chin, and some movement to avoid the incoming shots but when pushed back ggg looks vulnerable,,, that is all that we are trying to say,, and its just not this fight,, if you watch the ouma and rosado fights you will notice it too,,, Now saying all of that, it will still take a very top level guy to push him back and currently none of the top mw in the world have the skill set to do that,,,

Yet Chavez jr can do it? Soto Karass? Those guys must be A fighters :rolleyes: Again im saying he didnt even try. He could have tried to come forward and then have golovkin push back but he didnt even try. And now its obvious Golovkin cant fight backwards, so if he tried, he would presumably have success, right (at least more then he did laying on the ropes) dude, karrass & chavez are both brawlers............

It was 5 seconds long spurts! Its micro picking at its best. The guy couldnt do it for even half a min. It was the same thing in the Rosado fight, "OMG did you see rosado land that counter? Golokvin can be easily countered all night long" LOL I honestly don't get it? He get's hit while backing up for a few seconds after beating the **** of a turtled up stevens who unleashes a desperation attack and it's seen as a weakness? OMFG!

just caught the fight and um some of you guys are being a bit harsh. yeah stevens gave him a couple of good looks but ggg handled it like a champ.

Yet Chavez jr can do it? Soto Karass? Those guys must be A fighters :rolleyes: Again im saying he didnt even try. He could have tried to come forward and then have golovkin push back but he didnt even try. And now its obvious Golovkin cant fight backwards, so if he tried, he would presumably have success, right (at least more then he did laying on the ropes) Like I mentioned, the difference is they are willing to take the punishment that Stevens wasn't. He knew after feeling the power that if he went for it he'd be starched. I'm not sure what you're not getting, Stevens did try, when reality sunk in he decided that's not a good idea.

It was 5 seconds long spurts! Its micro picking at its best. The guy couldnt do it for even half a min. It was the same thing in the Rosado fight, "OMG did you see rosado land that counter? Golokvin can be easily countered all night long" What don't you understand? Golovkin prevented it with his own superior skill set and ability. If Golovkin didn't have crushing one punch KO power and was an inferior fighter, Stevens likely would have attempted to walk him down the entire fight but Golovkin stopped that. The seldom times Stevens did manage to do something, the holes showed. Golovkin was good enough to not let it happen often. And 5 second long spurts is an exaggeration, the sole time he really let his hands go in the fight he was landing solid combinatons, which landed longer than 5 seconds, at the end of one of the rounds, the next round he tried to continue it and got heavily dropped and then decided that it's time to shut up shot and hope to survive. It's not micro picking it's a simple observation, the few times he was forced onto the backfoot he did not look comfortable or good. The combination of Golovin's ability and Steven's lack of ability meant it couldn't be sustained.

you can't expect a c level guy like stevens to SUSTAIN a come forward attack........(not come forward) but to actually sustain it. he was tiring out which greatly influenced him going to the ropes for a breather......... Yet Chavez jr can do it? Soto Karass? Those guys must be A fighters :rolleyes: Again im saying he didnt even try. He could have tried to come forward and then have golovkin push back but he didnt even try. And now its obvious Golovkin cant fight backwards, so if he tried, he would presumably have success, right (at least more then he did laying on the ropes)

He didn't expose Golovkin, he just highlighted a weakness. He did try, when he had success and was teeing off on him he likely thought that he's going to continue that success. Then Golovkin stepped it up and starting landing some accurate clean punches and he decided that if he does that it's going to be short night. The difference is Chavez is willing to take the punishment that Stevens clearly wasn't. It was 5 seconds long spurts! Its micro picking at its best. The guy couldnt do it for even half a min. It was the same thing in the Rosado fight, "OMG did you see rosado land that counter? Golokvin can be easily countered all night long"

Exactly my point. If Golovkin cant fight backwards, the reasonable thing is to attempt to push him back. Now if you attempt to push him back yet get your ass beat even worse then going backwards, then how is it that golovkin cant fight backwards? Its an oxymoron of sorts Again Stevens never tried other then like 3 spurts of that last 5 seconds, he didnt try. Why are people pretending like he did, i dont understand. Claiming that Stevens isnt good even of a fighter to try and come forward is ridiculous Because Golovkin didn't prevent Stevens from forcing the fight by moving backward, when he moved backward he looked uncomfortable and was getting tagged. He did it by claiming the centre of the ring and forcing him back, that's what he likes to do and is very very effective at doing. He might not be able to fight well off the backfoot but it's a damn hard task getting him onto the back foot, which is what makes Golovkin good and difficult to beat. Golovkin forcing Stevens back and preventing Stevens from forcing him back doesn't prove that Golovkin is good off the back foot. The seldom times Stevens let his hands go or landed a punch that backed Golovkin up momentarily he didn't look comfortable or effective. When Golovkin stood his ground Stevens couldn't do anything he was getting picked off. That's the difference. It's not ridiculous at all, Stevens doesn't have the skills, strength experience or conditioning to force Golovkin back on a consistent basis. Once he felt his power properly he went into survival mode.

You cant expect lower level fighters to come forward, something which stevens has done in his last few fights? There is nothing hard about sustaining a forward momentum, especially when GOlovkin doesnt know how to fight against it, right? so why not to to do it? WHen he did he, he had success, so why not keep doing it? Doesnt makes sense. Like i said that ALL chavez does, yet stevens couldnt even TRY? :lol1: you can't expect a c level guy like stevens to SUSTAIN a come forward attack........(not come forward) but to actually sustain it. he was tiring out which greatly influenced him going to the ropes for a breather.........