Why were Hopkins and Jones jr never a PPV hit like pacquaio?

Jones was exciting but never went for the kill plus he never had a big name to rival with till tarver and he started to lose after the first fight so his hype was gone if it had been to hard fights with him winning the first losing the second and winning the third and the glen Johnson fight he would have had better numbers but he woulda been old by then and not lasted much longer anyway due to his styles. No body likes hopkins he's all the things people don't like Boring Old Old and boring Low key racist BORING .....bout covered it all In other words you have to be a fan of them or just a hardcore fan to order those kinda fights.

The difference is Mayweather and Pacquiao didn't also have to compete with De La Hoya's PPV number while in his prime... Mosley, Hopkins, Trinidad, etc were all in De La Hoya's shadow Floyd and Pac caught DLH at the end of his career. Prime example, Floyd vs Hatton did less PPV than DLH vs Pacquiao, and most people thought that was a clear cherry pick from DLH and it still outsold Floyd in his only time going head to head with DLH on PPV Those fights were a year apart so how did they go head to head

And let's be honest, beating De La Hoya is really what catapulted Mayweather and Pacquiao into crossover stardom. god damn right! (in white walter voice)

And let's be honest, beating De La Hoya is really what catapulted Mayweather and Pacquiao into crossover stardom.

People are too caught up with the lie that "if you fight DLH you become popular" and that Oscar made Mayweather and Pacquiao. If Oscar made Mayweather and Pacquiao the PPV stars they are today, what happened to Hopkins? Trinidad (Virtually a KO artist)? Mosley (Very exciting fighter)? Trinidad: Vargas: 520k Hopkins: 475k Winky: 510k Mayorga: 470k Jones Jr: 500k The difference is Mayweather and Pacquiao didn't also have to compete with De La Hoya's PPV number while in his prime... Mosley, Hopkins, Trinidad, etc were all in De La Hoya's shadow Floyd and Pac caught DLH at the end of his career. Prime example, Floyd vs Hatton did less PPV than DLH vs Pacquiao, and most people thought that was a clear cherry pick from DLH and it still outsold Floyd in his only time going head to head with DLH on PPV

A lot of great post. I forgot all about Michalski, Collins, eubanks, McCellen etc. I remember Roy said he didn't have to fight in Europe, but now a days thats where he fights.

When Roy was on top the heavyweight division ruled the world of PPV. Until ODL changed the game only the Tyson's and Holyfields were putting up huge PPV numbers. Plus in his prime Roy never really fought anyone that people thought was going to be a competitive fight for him. Hopkins just has a boring style and likes to make fights ugly so he was respected but never a draw. He could have adopted the ****y persona of Floyd and done well but a big part of Floyd's success is the fact that he has an undefeated record, something Bernard never had since he lost his first pro fight. Pac became a PPV star by having exciting knockouts and the wars with JMM and other greats.

Roy had a chance to be the next huge superstar like SRL or tyson,,, the problem with roy was 1. His dad held him back for a very long time,, he basically was gary russel jr before gary russell jr,,, it took roy from 88-92 to finally land some worthwhile fights, 2. HBO heavily hyped the roy-toney fight, and roy won big time and became a darling of hbo... 3. HBO signed him to a huge $$$$ deal with huge paydays for regular hbo fights,,, 4. Roy had alot of chances to have ppv fights after the toney fight, but instead chose to take easier but highly lucrative regular HBO fights,, 5. Oscar fought everyone once he landed the chavez ppv,, he fought pernell, camacho, ike, oba, tito, shane, vargas, gatti, etc... Roy didnt do that when in the mid 90s there was collins, liles, G-man, benn, eubanks, nunn, michlewski,,, instead of having ppv fights with these guys, roy was content to make 2-3 million fighting on regular hbo vs byrd, paz, ancient mccallum, lucas, etc 6. Had roy landed a couple of the big fights he would have been a huge star,, he was likable, and an amazing fighter to watch,, he just never took the risks to justify being a ppv fighter,,,, Very well put Ali, I'm not sure how old you were in the 90s but I was well into my 30s and had witnessed the heyday of Ali/Leonard/Hagler/Hearns/Duran/Chavez. Many people thought that Roy Jones, a young, flashy, highly skilled and supremely gifted athlete would become the next, non-heavyweight boxing superstar. The fact that he didn't says more about him personally than it does about HBO and self promoting. Jones comfortably won the IBF belt against Hopkins and after that got a huge push which led into the Toney fight and what we must remember is that Toney was a big name in the sport at the time. He wasn't a PPV star but this was during a period when PPV fights were not as common, in fact, many of the biggest fights in the US were non-PPV. The manner in which Jones beat Toney, toying and humiliating him in front of a pulsating crowd...it was unbelievable. That should have been his ticket into the PPV stratosphere. Sdly that never happened, Jones never became a boxer that the casual fans could get behind, he didn't have any iconic bouts or iconic moments because he missed out on so many of the big names and dangerous opponents of his generation. Why he did that? Well as you mentioned, he had one of the richest contracts in sports with HBO, during which time he never had to fight anyone of note to get the big purses. I asked Jones many times about his career in the 90s and why he never tried to get the big times and he has always avoided answering the question. He usually said that he did fight the best, which, when you look at his ledger, just isn't true. Or sometimes he would mention how the opponents he faced were just made to look like nobodies and sometimes he'll mention going up to heavyweight and how that was a major risk...it was an impressive feat but John Ruiz is quite possibly the worst heavyweight champion in history. As for Hopkins, well he was fighting at a time when the middleweight division was treading water, there were no big names for him to grind his axe against. The opportunity to move up in weight and square off against the likes of James Toney, Chris Eubank, Nigel Benn and so on, was there but Hopkins didn't take it. He has said it's because he always felt supremely comfortable at middleweight, fair enough. By the time he did start to take bigger risks and have those fights with Tarver, he was no longer the same fighter, he was dirtier and loved to spoil more than box in a fluid, rhythmical manner which may have attracted new fans. Mann Pacquiao achieved his fame with that thrilling annihilation of the great Mexican warrior Barrera and never looked back. Fights with Marquez and Morales followed, what more could you ask for? By this stage, he not only had an entire nation behind him but he attracted a huge fight fan following in the US...then came De La Hoya. That was the icing on the cake. For Mayweather, the Oscar fight did the same trick, followed by fights against the likes of Mosley and most recently Alvarez on a major Mexican holiday, if that doesn't generate big PPV buzz, then nothing will. Add in the Pacquiao rivalry and bang, you have all the ingredients that Hopkins and Jones never had or were never willing to taste.

Roy had a chance to be the next huge superstar like SRL or tyson,,, the problem with roy was 1. His dad held him back for a very long time,, he basically was gary russel jr before gary russell jr,,, it took roy from 88-92 to finally land some worthwhile fights, 2. HBO heavily hyped the roy-toney fight, and roy won big time and became a darling of hbo... 3. HBO signed him to a huge $$$$ deal with huge paydays for regular hbo fights,,, 4. Roy had alot of chances to have ppv fights after the toney fight, but instead chose to take easier but highly lucrative regular HBO fights,, 5. Oscar fought everyone once he landed the chavez ppv,, he fought pernell, camacho, ike, oba, tito, shane, vargas, gatti, etc... Roy didnt do that when in the mid 90s there was collins, liles, G-man, benn, eubanks, nunn, michlewski,,, instead of having ppv fights with these guys, roy was content to make 2-3 million fighting on regular hbo vs byrd, paz, ancient mccallum, lucas, etc 6. Had roy landed a couple of the big fights he would have been a huge star,, he was likable, and an amazing fighter to watch,, he just never took the risks to justify being a ppv fighter,,,,

Hopkins racist rants never worked.his only ppv hit was vs de le hoya,hopkins is a ppv flop even though he is with golden boy. same case with Jonesjr,in his heyday he used to go to the extreme to promote a fight.. claiming he was one of the best ever..once even bringing guns to the press conference..yet the ppv sales were low Pacquaio on the other hand never brags or rants yet he is one of the biggest ppv hits of all time Why is that? Are your serious with this question? Manny has the whole philipino country backing him + US, Roy/Bernard just have the US. Advantage=Manny.

Hopkins racist rants never worked.his only ppv hit was vs de le hoya,hopkins is a ppv flop even though he is with golden boy. same case with Jonesjr,in his heyday he used to go to the extreme to promote a fight.. claiming he was one of the best ever..once even bringing guns to the press conference..yet the ppv sales were low Pacquaio on the other hand never brags or rants yet he is one of the biggest ppv hits of all time Why is that? Some people just got that appeal about them....

People are too caught up with the lie that "if you fight DLH you become popular" and that Oscar made Mayweather and Pacquiao. If Oscar made Mayweather and Pacquiao the PPV stars they are today, what happened to Hopkins? Trinidad (Virtually a KO artist)? Mosley (Very exciting fighter)? Trinidad: Vargas: 520k Hopkins: 475k Winky: 510k Mayorga: 470k Jones Jr: 500k If you don't think that the Delahoya win sent both Pacquiao and Mayweather to crossover superstar ppv status than i don't know what you smoking. Granted Mayweather became the person he is cause according to him its what sells, yet before the Delahoya win that didn't work for him untill after the Delahoya win. Pacquaio winning was shocking, coming up in the lighter weights. Mayweather keeps fighting the Latino fighters and on Mexican Holidays. Pacquaio has the Asians supporting him and his crossover appeal and fan. Mayweather chased Delahoya like a dog chases bacon. Don't sit there and lie. Pacquiao was doing good number already before Delahoya but he wasn't the main guy yet, that was Morales and Barrera. The Delahoya win made him ppv superstar status. Mosley, was still not supported by the Rappers, because he didn't try to be someone else like Mayweather claims he did. Mosley stayed himself. But Mosley became the best B side fighter you want to help carry a ppv. And it didn't help that he fought everyone and wasn't picking his opponets based on if they can sell tickets, something Floyd does, but Delahoya never did. Hopkins, i already mentioned Hopkins. Take the Latino fighter away from Mayweather after the Delahoya fight and what happens? Mayweather still would be looking for the B side fighters to help him carry a ppv. Take the Latinos away from Pacquaio after the Delahoya fight and the Phillipinos would still follow him. And he'd still most likely sell 500k ppv which in the Barrera, Morales era was really good for a ppv. Its no lie, Delahoya sent Mayweather and Pacquiao to superstar ppv status but they have keep themselves there by being relivent and because of there opponets. Follow there careers a little closer. Ppv, stars Delahoya, Trinidad, Mayweather, Pacquiao in that order. Of course Delahoya defeating Chavez sent Delahoya into the superstar ppv he became. And Tyson going to prison, gave King no choice put to promote Chavez into the ppv superstar he became.

IMO it's the it factor. Pacquiao just has it, people love him. The first time he stepped up on HBO, you immediately knew this guy could be a star. And being a Pinoy, that's pretty crazy. Roy had all the ability, so did bhop, but they never grabbed the publics attention in that way. yeah IT factor has a lot to do with it. There have been guys who were exciting but never got the type of appeal Pac did, there were other pinoy boxers too in the 80s but they never got the same attention or love from the Filipnos like Pac did. I remember reading about Pacs career in the philippines he was already a star before he fought here so he had something and a style that they liked because they have a lot of Filipino boxers but nobody drew the attention the way pac did he was already a local celeb in his area. Remember the first time pac fought on HBO? he was a two weeks notice cherry pick replacement for Ledwaba dude was laughing and smiling to the ring I thought damn this guy knows he is going to get his ass whooped by ledwaba right? dude just beasted on ledwaba it was an unexpected memorable performance, Larry Merchant said something like I never heard of him but I want to see him again, Merchant and Lampley became fans right there. The fight was basically saying hey look at me, i kicked down the door and made a loud statement by knocking out this top guy that you said would whip my ass. Ever since that day he was whooping ass, he even had Floyd Mayweather as his biggest fan, Floyd said Pacman was his favorite fighter back in 2005. That is it factor.

I think Roy blamed him getting robbed of a gold medal in the Olympics for hurting his marketing power. At the time if you were a gold medalist like Oscar, sugar ray, you usually were an instant draw. But most of Roy's fights were not on PPV, I think he got some type of ridiculous contract form HBO he was the highest paid fighter at the time and was getting paid big per non ppv fight.

People are too caught up with the lie that "if you fight DLH you become popular" and that Oscar made Mayweather and Pacquiao. If Oscar made Mayweather and Pacquiao the PPV stars they are today, what happened to Hopkins? Trinidad (Virtually a KO artist)? Mosley (Very exciting fighter)? Trinidad: Vargas: 520k Hopkins: 475k Winky: 510k Mayorga: 470k Jones Jr: 500k

I think with Roy it was due to his immense ability. Put it this way. Why Did people buy Floyd vs Canelo? Why didn't people buy Floyd vs The Ghost? No one thought Roy would lose to the opponents he was facing so why pay for it? What is her name? Your avatar, I can't stop looking

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IMO it's the it factor. Pacquiao just has it, people love him. The first time he stepped up on HBO, you immediately knew this guy could be a star. And being a Pinoy, that's pretty crazy. Roy had all the ability, so did bhop, but they never grabbed the publics attention in that way.

I think with Roy it was due to his immense ability. Put it this way. Why Did people buy Floyd vs Canelo? Why didn't people buy Floyd vs The Ghost? No one thought Roy would lose to the opponents he was facing so why pay for it?

No hungry latino fighters in there division at the time they campaigned. Hopkins should have had succes after his fight with Trinidad, first thing he did was refuse to fight Trinidad again. Mayweather is very picky about his opponet cause he wants a name opponet, not always the best. Which is why his next opponet will be Khan. Roy did what Mayweather is doing fighting top contenders that shouldn't be in the ring with him, while Floyd shouldn't fight at welterweight. Roy had great power its what allowed him to do what he did for so many years. Floyd all of a sudden has power but really looking at his opponet they either come from the smaller division or are green.