Why did Top Rank and GBP actually fall out?

It all started when Top Rank had a countdown clock waiting for Floyd to get the fight made. Golden Boy didn't like that. http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post/_/id/140/blame-manny-pacquiao-top-rank-golden-boy-battle "Pacquiao deserves the blame because he is the one who signed with two companies at the same time. When he took De La Hoya's bag of cash, he apparently forgot that he had just recently signed with Top Rank. Pacquiao's idiotic move ultimately left the companies mostly at each others' throats since, even though he eventually pledged loyalty to Arum. Pacquiao has never been held accountable enough for his atrocious judgment. Although questioned about this over the years, he has, at least to my knowledge, never really addressed his disturbing decision in a serious manner."

It all started when Top Rank had a countdown clock waiting for Floyd to get the fight made. Golden Boy didn't like that.

That was 2007 and was resolved after Oscar lost to Floyd. And Richard and Oscar were not smearing Pacman or talking trash about him then, only when Floyd came out of retirement during the Hatton Pacquiao fight is when they started. Arum put Pacquiao in with nothing but Golden Boy fighters Barrera, Marquez, Oscar, Hatton (besides David Diaz) since that contract settlement, Golden boy settled with Arum because they lost Floyd to retirement and had nobody else to match their fighters with. The feud was started back up again when Richard Shaeffer was able to get Floyd out of retirement, now Richard didn't have to kiss up to Arum and Pacquiao since he got a star again. All this stuff has been started by Golden Boy promotions arrogance. Floyd doesn't even hate Arum, when they see each other they hug and praise each other. Its like someone like Al Haymon is telling Floyd what to say. SOunds like it manny's fault. http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post/_/id/140/blame-manny-pacquiao-top-rank-golden-boy-battle I didn't have a lot of fun the other day writing about Golden Boy's federal lawsuit against Top Rank, which alleges racketeering and fraud related to millions of dollars Golden Boy contends that Top Rank owes it from three Manny Pacquiao fights. Stories like that are a real downer, not to mention it takes time and concentration to slog through a 23-page lawsuit, much of it written in legalese, and to listen to the spin from the lawyers on both sides. I could live without that. But it's an important story in boxing when two of the most powerful promotional companies in the world are fighting over millions related to fights involving the best fighter on the planet, especially because it further strains their already terrible relationship and further reduces the likelihood of seeing Golden Boy's fighters face Top Rank's. That means don't count on seeing such fights as Miguel Cotto-Shane Mosley II, Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez III, Saul "Canelo" Alvarez-Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. or Victor Ortiz-Brandon Rios, among others. The companies have been bitter rivals since the day Oscar De La Hoya left Bob Arum's Top Rank -- who had promoted him for his entire career -- to start his own company almost 10 years ago. There were a few truces along the way, but there is so much water under the bridge at this point that I don't think the companies will ever have a truly friendly relationship. Arum can't stand De La Hoya or his CEO, Richard Schaefer, and vice versa. They've trashed each other for years and, even when they did business together, nobody ever looked comfortable during their co-promotions. And let's not even get into the disaster of their twice-failed negotiations for Pacquiao to face Floyd Mayweather Jr., who has worked with Golden Boy for his recent fights. When Top Rank and Golden Boy reached a settlement of their various lawsuits against each other in the summer of 2007, thanks to a mediator, we had peace for a couple of years and we got some big fights -- Pacquiao's matches with De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton, his rematches with Marquez and Marco Antonio Barrera and other fights as well, such as Cotto-Mosley and Bernard Hopkins-Kelly Pavlik. When they settled in 2007, the key to the settlement was working out a deal on Pacquiao's contract, which they both believed -- for good reason -- they owned. In the settlement, Top Rank retained Pacquiao's promotional rights with Golden Boy to share a percentage of Top Rank's profits from his fights. When Pacquiao fought a Golden Boy opponent, it would be the lead promoter, which meant Golden Boy would keep the books. When Pacquiao fought anyone else, Top Rank was in charge of the accounting. The suit filed last week is over the accounting for the fights Pacquiao has had against non-Golden Boy fighters since the settlement, namely David Diaz, Cotto and Joshua Clottey. And you can count on there being more issues after Pacquiao's Nov. 13 fight against Antonio Margarito. While both companies deserve blame for the complete mess of their relationship, you know who deserves the most blame? Pacquiao. Too many people forget, or ignore, that he is responsible for so much of the acrimony. Remember: Under cover of night in 2006, Pacquiao took a bag stuffed with hundreds of thousands of dollars from De La Hoya, who had picked him up in a limo at Los Angeles International Airport and whisked him away to a clandestine dinner at a steak house to seal the deal. De La Hoya, of course, didn't win any points for the inappropriate manner in which he conducted business, especially after he got on his high horse and proclaimed when he founded Golden Boy that it would do business differently than other promoters. But Pacquiao deserves the blame because he is the one who signed with two companies at the same time. When he took De La Hoya's bag of cash, he apparently forgot that he had just recently signed with Top Rank. Pacquiao's idiotic move ultimately left the companies mostly at each others' throats since, even though he eventually pledged loyalty to Arum. Pacquiao has never been held accountable enough for his atrocious judgment. Although questioned about this over the years, he has, at least to my knowledge, never really addressed his disturbing decision in a serious manner. When asked in the past, Pacquiao has blown off the legitimate question -- "Why did you sign with two companies at once?" -- by smiling his way through it and pulling his best Sammy Sosa. You know that move, the one where you suddenly forgot that you actually can speak English when you don't like the question. In any case, the next time you get upset because Top Rank and Golden Boy won't make a fight you want to see because of their childish, ongoing feud, you have every right to blame them. But don't forget to include Pacquiao in your crosshairs.

That was 2007 and was resolved after Oscar lost to Floyd. And Richard and Oscar were not smearing Pacman or talking trash about him then, only when Floyd came out of retirement during the Hatton Pacquiao fight is when they started. Arum put Pacquiao in with nothing but Golden Boy fighters Barrera, Marquez, Oscar, Hatton (besides David Diaz) since that contract settlement, Golden boy settled with Arum because they lost Floyd to retirement and had nobody else to match their fighters with. The feud was started back up again when Richard Shaeffer was able to get Floyd out of retirement, now Richard didn't have to kiss up to Arum and Pacquiao since he got a star again. All this stuff has been started by Golden Boy promotions arrogance. Floyd doesn't even hate Arum, when they see each other they hug and praise each other. Its like someone like Al Haymon is telling Floyd what to say. http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2011/02/09/Floyd%20and%20bobx-large.jpg

Had nothing to do with a smear campaign. Had everything to do with mannys simple minded ass signing with both companies. That was 2007 and was resolved after Oscar lost to Floyd. And Richard and Oscar were not smearing Pacman or talking trash about him then, only when Floyd came out of retirement during the Hatton Pacquiao fight is when they started. Arum put Pacquiao in with nothing but Golden Boy fighters Barrera, Marquez, Oscar, Hatton (besides David Diaz) since that contract settlement, Golden boy settled with Arum because they lost Floyd to retirement and had nobody else to match their fighters with. The feud was started back up again when Richard Shaeffer was able to get Floyd out of retirement, now Richard didn't have to kiss up to Arum and Pacquiao since he got a star again. All this stuff has been started by Golden Boy promotions arrogance. Floyd doesn't even hate Arum, when they see each other they hug and praise each other. Its like someone like Al Haymon is telling Floyd what to say.

Oscar and Floyd jumping to Showtime and the 2 being mega successful without Old Snake Arum basically. They've tried to work with Arum, even tried to make the Donaire/Mares fight but Arum can't let byegones be byegones

GB dangling the suitcase in front of Pac was the backbreaker. But its funny to hear the fanboys on both sides try to box each other out and point fingers. All of you suck balls.

Oh the irony. A Promotional company fanboy complaining about network fanboys:bottle: I ****in hate Pac, Nonito, Gesta and all of their fans but I will watch the **** out of TR shows as well as GB shows along with Ten Goose, Main Events, DiBella and the rest. Me not be given a ****. Promotional company fanboy? Based on what exactly? I think promoters are leeches on the sport, whether it be Top Rank, Golden Boy or even Matchroom. So im not sure where youve plucked that idea from.

My question is, why did Boxing fans go to the lengths of calling Pacquiao or Mayweather duckers or cowards, when it was clear it was bigger than them. Pac was signed to TR and May (regardless of what he says) is signed to GBP. At first it was just a internet thing, now even the networks HBO, Showtime even admit to the fued. Basically we wasted 3 years calling Pacquiao and May cowards and etc, when the fight had no chance at happening either way.

Yup, embarrassing is the exact word i'd use too. The thing is, they are both to blame. I do enjoy seeing posts which defend one or the other though, the bias just bleeding out I really can't believe i've lived to see the day when we see Network fanboys on here, just because they are staunch GBP footsoldiers. The boxing fandom is shameful nowadays Oh the irony. A Promotional company fanboy complaining about network fanboys:bottle: I ****in hate Pac, Nonito, Gesta and all of their fans but I will watch the **** out of TR shows as well as GB shows along with Ten Goose, Main Events, DiBella and the rest. Me not be given a ****.

Can anyone shed any light on the actual reasons? Thanks. http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post/_/id/140/blame-manny-pacquiao-top-rank-golden-boy-battle Fat Dan says Manny taking the money from ODH while signed to TR caused the fued.

Probably when they realised they could both make a sh*t tonne more money (with far less risk) keeping most of their fights in house than they would pitching their guys against each other. Yeah and the Pac thing too...

Oscar. It all came to a head when Floyd and Pac's bullsh*t started. The combination of dislike Oscar and Mayweather have for Arum and Arum's own ego has led us where we are now.

Its funny that this feud is an extension of the Floydiots vs Pactards feud on NSB Floydiots like GBP *******s like TR Kind of embarrassing Yup, embarrassing is the exact word i'd use too. The thing is, they are both to blame. I do enjoy seeing posts which defend one or the other though, the bias just bleeding out I really can't believe i've lived to see the day when we see Network fanboys on here, just because they are staunch GBP footsoldiers. The boxing fandom is shameful nowadays

Its funny that this feud is an extension of the Floydiots vs Pactards feud on NSB Floydiots like GBP *******s like TR Kind of embarrassing

Arum obviously. He's got an ego three times the size of Floyd Mayweather.

All started when De la Hoya left Bob Arum's Top rank. If he didn't leave then we would have no issues now, yes since Oscar left they have worked together but you know it was only when Arum has something to gain.

I just don't understand why people insist that Top Rank is to blame when evidence and records show that when Billionaire Jerry Jones was willing to bankroll a GBP/TR co-promotion, Arum flew from Vegas to Texas, while Schaeffer was a no show. Everything else is just theory and speculation. There was no point for him to fly to Dallas when Floyd said he wasn't going to fight in Texas there was no need to waste his time.

I guess tha explains why Jerry Jones wanted to put the PAC vs Floyd fight together, Arum was willing to negotiate with Scheffer, and flew to Texas, but at the last minute, Schaeffer flaked out and cancelled. Schaefer doesn't negotiate for mayweather ... He is neither his manager or promoter. Arum and Jerry jones trying to negotiate a PAC/Floyd fight by contactin Schaefer would be the same as them calling you up and you not showing up (for good reason as it would be a waste I time) .. Also mayweather vs PAC wouldn't have been happening in Dallas Texas .. Of at least I highly doubt it. It would e had to have been Vegas. Now as far as outdoor stadiums go ... You guess is as good as mine.

I just don't understand why people insist that Top Rank is to blame when evidence and records show that when Billionaire Jerry Jones was willing to bankroll a GBP/TR co-promotion, Arum flew from Vegas to Texas, while Schaeffer was a no show. Everything else is just theory and speculation. What does that have to do with anything I said. Vegas would have paid more, Jones has money but Vegas has so much more to earn with any fight that no one can compete with them and make money. Arum knows that. Where the fight was to be held wasn't the deal breaker~