Is there an argument for Hopkins to be top 10-15 ATG?

No He is a true ATG but his competition when he was in his prime was just decent. Also those title defences were for the IBF belt not the lineal or undisputed title, Monzon still holds that record. If you look at the level of competition and compare it to Hagler, Monzon, and even James Toney its lacking at middleweight. His skills are undeniable but he missed a lot of guys in the 90's between 154-168 which was very deep. He lost to his best opponent at the weight as well Jones. Trinidad was a great win, but IMO he should have beat a flawed raw guy like Taylor even at the age he was, look at how good he is fighting still today. He cemented his legacy with his intelligence, crafty style, and ability to beat the odds at an advanced age. Ask yourself, If you say is he 10-15 all time, is Roy Jones? Jones beat him when he was 28 years old, not some green novice. He had almost 100 amatuer fights as well. I say Hopkins is top 25 for sure, but its just too many great fighters of the past with comparable or better accomplishments to have him crack the top 15

He broke records with the age thing... but prime for prime, P4p H2h, I could think of alot of guys that beat him

not top 10. Top 30 and we are having a convo. Hopkins is literally a living legend. Appreciate him because we don't have long with him in the ring anymore.

I don't do ATG lists... they are opinionated rubbish that are very narrow in their nature. In other words, there are too many guys to pick who have done great things on a similar level. For example if I take SRL and Duran... how can you separate them? They are just as great as one another. I believe Hopkins is certainly up there in terms of accomplishment and he is the greatest when it comes to longevity. His resume is good and his skills are top flight. I think he has to be considered one of the true greats of the sport, up there with the best of them. There are clear levels, though. Hopkins' record and achievements are not on par with Leonard or Duran, whose record and achievements aren't on par with Robinson or Greb or the guys in discussion for GOAT. Like Erik Morales is an ATG but his record and achievements aren't on par with Hopkins or Floyd.

I don't do ATG lists... they are opinionated rubbish that are very narrow in their nature. In other words, there are too many guys to pick who have done great things on a similar level. For example if I take SRL and Duran... how can you separate them? They are just as great as one another. I believe Hopkins is certainly up there in terms of accomplishment and he is the greatest when it comes to longevity. His resume is good and his skills are top flight. I think he has to be considered one of the true greats of the sport, up there with the best of them.

Top 10 MW? I think so, but certainly not top 5. Top 10-15 P4P? Not even close. Totally agree.

Top 10 MW? I think so, but certainly not top 5. Top 10-15 P4P? Not even close.

Real talk!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^ He's top 15-20 imho....an argument can be made for top 10 though!! He's not close to either. His resume isn't close to that caliber.

In terms of skill and accomplishments, yes. But far too often people let their feelings towards his "antics" get in the way of true assessment of what this man has truly done. Real talk!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^ He's top 15-20 imho....an argument can be made for top 10 though!!

sure seems that way Only to those that know fook all about boxing like yourself and the rest of the village people(Floyd/boner fans and race tards mainly).

How does beating up undersized men and loses to the decent fighters he faced in roy jones, joe calzaghe chad dawson and taylor make bhop a top 10 atg.

All time? . . . Not for me. Last 20 years? . . . Without doubt.

If he fought in the 60's or 70's he would be he'd have monzon and hagler to deal with, so yeah, if he had those two on his resume, it would be hard to argue he wasn't.

He is an ATG, but i dont think he is top 15 ATG, he is probably around 30-75 range depending on what criteria you use,,,, I dont think you could have him higher than a duran or hearns,,,,,,,, Roy jones beat him, so in theory jones would be ranked higher if going by H2H...... No disrespect to HOpkins,,,, He is a great fighter, i just dont think he is a top 15 guy,,, I cant place him up there with the SRL, SRR, ALI class,,,,

Bernard Hopkins is one of the greatest fighters of all time and he will be regarded that way more and more as the years go on. 10-15 ATG? Sure. I got no problems with that.

This. Any active fighter gets ridiculously underrated. sure seems that way

If he fought in the 60's or 70's he would be This. Any active fighter gets ridiculously underrated.

He's great but I can't say whether he's a top 10-15 ATG

10-15 nope but higher than Manny or Floyd thats for sure.

hell no every time somebody wins a belt, this crap comes up Hopkins is adding slowly to a good resume Murat doesn't add much alone, nor did Cloud or Pascal Hopkins has decent to good wins piling up over a long period he doesn't have the resume to be up that high though