Question about Bradley,Andre Ward,Broner,Hopkins,rigondeaux

meanwhile you support wife killers like valero and cheaters who could kill a man in margarito :rofl: .. rigo boring but has 8 out of 12 kos? you should be banned for your excessive trolling what does any of that have to do with what TS was talking about? I addressed his topic and the fighters he chose to talk about. You randomly brought up Valero and Margarito to smear me. Instead of trying to discredit me. Why don't you address the topic and debate me on any of the points that I made? Because you can't argue that Ward and Poopkins are entertaining. You said Rigo is entertaining because of his KO ratio? Funny because people including you, trash W.Klitschko for being boring and because of his tactics. Yet he has more KO's than Rigo has fights several times over. Infact he has one of the highest KO ratio's in Heavyweght boxing history. :lol1: You should be banned for being a trash poster. Everyone with half a brain knows what you're about.

winning solves everything mexcians don't find molina nor miguel vasquez exciting but they're winners keep winning and people will come around to love you no matter what course. you're gonna have people hating your style hell some people hate the brawling style it's all subjective.

I love brawling but the art of skill and Ring IQ should be never forgotten and has to be apreciated. I have nothing against slick fighters ass long as they stay clean. Rigo is just awesome i think it impressive just watching his skills and the guy can knock out guys too. Its VERRY impressive that a guy with only 10 or so fights can beat a guy like Donaire and make it look easy. i mean as a boxing fan you got to be verry impressed about that.

Whoever said Bradley got 3 gifts is retarded. Maybe a close fight that most felt he should've lost to Pac...but he clearly beat Prov and definitely clearly beat overrated crybaby Marquez.

Bradley - 3 gifts in his last 3 fights and he's boring Ward - Boring, clinching, cheater with no personality Broner - Classless kid that comes to fight. He will be successful Poopkins - one of the most boring fighters in history Rigondeux - Good but boring fighter that belongs on FNF only Broner will be successful because people will pay to see him lose. That's if he doesnt get sent to hell vs Maidana http://i39.tinypic.com/t05dw1.jpg meanwhile you support wife killers like valero and cheaters who could kill a man in margarito :rofl: .. rigo boring but has 8 out of 12 kos? you should be banned for your excessive trolling

Why is Broner on this list?

I don't include him because he's the exception, not the rule. All the other star black American fighters in the past couple of decades have been entertaining. I don't understand the inclusion of Sergio. He's not American, he doesn't speak English but he is a star where he's from, Argentina. An American Martinez would be a star imo. I also don't believe it's the ethnic support of Pacquiao which has made him popular in the US, it's because he's exciting and we'll see that again with Golovkin if he keeps winning despite the lack of Kazakhs in the States. And that proves my point. According to your theory, Sergio should be a mega star in the US because he's exciting. But that's not correct. My theory is correct. He isn't popular in the US because he has no crossover appeal and lacks fan support. But in Argentina, he has crossover appeal and fan support from Argentines. And Pacs core fan base is Filipinos. That's why Arum made a strong effort to build Do aire because they are great fans that support their fighters. And GGG is an assumption that has not materialized. PAC, Cotto and Canelo are actual proof that fighters with support from their home countries have stronger star potential. Zhou Scming is a megastar in China and he's not exciting. Why is that?

You don't want to include Mayweather because he destroys your argument. I don't include him because he's the exception, not the rule. All the other star black American fighters in the past couple of decades have been entertaining. Sergio Martinez isn't a megastar in the US. He's exciting. It's because there isn't enough Argentine support in the US to put him on the level of Pac, Cotto and Canelo. I don't understand the inclusion of Sergio. He's not American, he doesn't speak English but he is a star where he's from, Argentina. An American Martinez would be a star imo although I wouldn't put him top of the tree in terms of excitement. I also don't believe it's the ethnic support of Pacquiao which has made him popular in the US, it's because he's very exciting and knocks people out and we'll see that again with Golovkin if he keeps winning despite the lack of Kazakhs in the States. To re-iterate, I don't believe a black American or any American fighter needs hip hop or other gimmick to sell, they need to be exciting and successful in the ring as opposed to boring and successful. You feel otherwise, we'll have to agree to disagree.

Mexican-Americans won't get behind boring fighters either. John Ruiz was heavyweight champion, but he wasn't about to become a star. People want to be entertained, irrespective of race. Ward, Bradley, Hopkins in the majority of their fights simply do not entertain. Mayweather shouldn't be included in the discussion as it's misleading. He's the exception, not the rule. He is a star because of: Gatti - one of the most popular and exciting fighters ever De La Hoya - the most popular fighter in the world at that point Hatton - the most popular European fighter of all time and after that he's fighting Mexicans on Mexican holidays like Marquez, Ortiz, Guerrero and Canelo with one of the most popular PR boxers ever sandwiched between. You don't want to include Mayweather because he destroys your argument. All those fighters did their biggest numbers against Mayweather . It goes hand in hand. What about Mosley and Judah? Both were PPV events. He fights on Mexican holidays because Mexico has the best fans in boxing. He fights UK fighters because they have big fan bases too. Boxing is more popular in those countries than it is in the US and even more important, black America. If his own people supported him, he wouldn't need to fight on Mexican holidays. Sergio Martinez isn't a megastar in the US. He's exciting. It's because there isn't enough Argentine support in the US to put him on the level of Pac, Cotto and Canelo. Hopkins does better ratings, sold more PPVs and makes more money than Martinez. Bob Arum didn't want to match Cotto with Mayweather because Cotto had a stronger fan base and more income potential. Because Puerto Ricans are among the best fans in boxing.

Ward, Bradley and Hopkins are millionaires and have either already or will headline PPvs. But they will never become mega stars because their fan bases are small. And the primary reason is the lack of interest in boxing in black America. Mexican-Americans won't get behind boring fighters either. John Ruiz was heavyweight champion, but he wasn't about to become a star. People want to be entertained, irrespective of race. Ward, Bradley, Hopkins in the majority of their fights simply do not entertain casual fans. Mayweather is the biggest star ever and he isn't known for having exciting fights. Based on that alone there is no correlation between exciting fighters and superstardom. Mayweather shouldn't be included in the discussion as it's misleading. He's the exception, not the rule. He is a star because of: Gatti - one of the most popular and exciting fighters ever De La Hoya - the most popular fighter in the world at that point Hatton - the most popular European fighter of all time and after that he's fighting Mexicans on Mexican holidays like Marquez, Ortiz, Guerrero and Canelo with one of the most popular PR boxers ever sandwiched between. I don't buy the notion that casual African-American boxing fans wouldn't tune in for an exciting fighter over the likes of Ward, Bradley and Hopkins because Roy Jones and Mike Tyson would indicate to the contrary.

then if you belive that im right about " the feel good thing " too ...like i said , it's no biggie, just dont act like we dont know where youre getting at .... And I know where your getting at. You think I'm pulling the race card and saying "these fighters get hated on because they are black". Which is incorrect and speaks more about your reading comprehension more so than anything.

Mayweather is the product of his envoirment. He is the only fighter that lived in the social media where as it is now, he is the only fighter of his caliber to not have real competition available. Product of his envoirment. you telling me, Mike tyson today wouldent out do Mayweather in every aspect, or Oscar, or Ali? like I said he is a product of his envoirment what everyone seems to forget. Mike Tyson had cross over appeal and achieved greatness. Plus his antics outside of the ring helped too. Same with Ali. He did the same thing Floyd did. Trash talk and hype the fight up. And all fighters have the benefit of social media.

Neither broner nor Bradley are defensive minded fighters. U should really be clear what ur talking about before u make threads like this. I was thinking the same thing.

I don't need to be creative.I'm a straight shooter and everything I said is 100% correct. then if you belive that im right about " the feel good thing " too ...like i said , it's no biggie, just dont act like we dont know where youre getting at ....

thats not all you said ..anyone with half brain knows what you were getting at ..no biggie , but be creative next time if youre gonna deny it .. I don't need to be creative.I'm a straight shooter and everything I said is 100% correct.

Not at all. All I said is boxing isn't that big which it isn't. thats not all you said ..anyone with half brain knows what you were getting at ..no biggie , but be creative next time if youre gonna deny it ..

Black People if you will are known for not supporting their own people, they will never have a Mexican turn out to one of their fights, and what I believe fuels that is the lack of exciting Black fighters. Their is probably 2 exciting black fighters in all of boxing, (well american black, and lets be honest that all who american blacks care about) and that Broner and Wilder, they roll with Mayweather because He's mayweather and they love the hate mayweather gets and they feed off that. But off pure excitment thats the only 2 exciting black boxers in boxing today, one broner is barley getting known the other wilder is not known at all. so giving all that its no reason Black Boxers dont get their support. Basically saying what you are saying, but broke it down why that is. Mayweather is the biggest star ever and he isn't known for having exciting fights. Based on that alone there is no correlation between exciting fighters and superstardom. The thing all super stars have in common is greatness, support from core fan base and cross over appeal. Or some combination of the three.

nah ..iwas trying to tell you what ordinary people like .. you on the other hand act like black people are different , somehow special...i think it's a feel good thing.. Not at all. All I said is boxing isn't that big which it isn't.

Give him a second. If he is actually any good he'll become a superstar and the pin-up of black (and white) people everywhere, not just in US, simply because he's very exciting to watch. I say the same thing about Peter Quillin. If he's good enough and fights often enough he could become a star. Irrespective of race, if you're knocking fools out, people want to watch. Keith Thurman has a lot of star potential too. I think he's the most likely of the three to crack it. Guys like Ward, Hopkins, Bradley etc, they're never going to excite casual fans of any race. Ward, Bradley and Hopkins are millionaires and have either already or will headline PPvs. But they will never become mega stars because their fan bases are small. And the primary reason is the lack of interest in boxing in black America. And everybody knows who Bernard Hopkins is. But my point is, every boxing megastar nowadays: Pacquiao, Cotto, Canelo, have a core fan base that has allowed them to reach superstardom. Bradley, Ward, Rigo, etc. don't have that. I'd be shocked if Thurman and Quillin ever reach that level of superstardom. Mayweather has done it through winning and celebrity appeal outside of the ring and that's the route Broner is taking. Bradley, Ward and Rigo are quiet and humble and won't ever get that cross over appeal. Sergio Martinez isn't boring and he isn't a megastar in America. Same thing different group.

Nah. You trying to tell me what a black casual boxing fan thinks is laughable. nah ..iwas trying to tell you what ordinary people like .. you on the other hand act like black people are different , somehow special...i think it's a feel good thing..