Surely Froch is now P4P Top 5

ward doesn't seem legit due to the rumours and hes been to inactive, Rigndeaux, how has he achieved more than froch??? Lets be honest, froch is top 5 without debate. His whitewashing of Nonito Trumps Frochs entire life story. Kidding, but it was damn impressive.

I definitely have froch top 5 p4p, back to back tough fights, more than deserves it imo.

If not top 5,at least top 6..I could see people putting Martinez and Rigo ahead of Froch..For me tho,he's top 5..

Skill wise Carl doesn't look top 5, but he keeps fighting top level guys and gets the job done in most cases. Great jab, good power, iron chin, awkwardness, heart/drive, tremendous resume - I have Carl at #7 personally, but I have no issue with #5. Mayweather, Rigondeaux, Ward....after that, it's wide open now that Sergio is past his best and Marquez is in limbo. ward doesn't seem legit due to the rumours and hes been to inactive, Rigndeaux, how has he achieved more than froch??? Lets be honest, froch is top 5 without debate.

Skill wise Carl doesn't look top 5, but he keeps fighting top level guys and gets the job done in most cases. Great jab, good power, iron chin, awkwardness, heart/drive, tremendous resume - I have Carl at #7 personally, but I have no issue with #5. Mayweather, Rigondeaux, Ward....after that, it's wide open now that Sergio is past his best and Marquez is in limbo.

he's got one of the best active resumes right now don't mind if he gets in the top 5 not sure what Groves means for him individually but that win adds on to a nice body of work that keeps tallying up

you can make a case for froch to be anywhere from 5-8 IMO.

slimshandy is right! And I'm not being the least bit sarcastic. Everyone else is losing, Froch has probably the best run in boxing over the past five years, why not put him in the top 5?

Froch is one of my favourite fighters but I find it hard to make a case for him being p4p top 5 - maybe top 10 we can have a discussion.

Nah, If Froch fights and wins in another weight class then maybe, but not if he is only going to end up a one division fighter, hence Wlad being placed lower than him.

1)boxrec showed froch out landing dirrell, dirrell hardly through any punxhes and his best round was a correctly deducted point round, so in effect hi best round was adraw and even dirrel admitted he lost the 12th. dIRRELLS face was a marked up mess, froch was unmarked froch won by 4 rounds. even the pres row scored it to froch, hell even dan Rafael scored it to froch. Where on earth is this, source as another poster requested? There's numerous sources stating the opposite. In-fact even your claim on boxrec, to the contrary there bout summary: A fight which appeared as if it could go either way on the scorecards. Froch chased the southpaw Dirrell all night, and threw many punches 'into the wind' as the agile Dirrell constantly moved from side to side and slipped the majority of Froch's punches. It wouldn't surprise if you're confusing thrown with landed. Taylor was going into the 12th on a split decision and was a 10-7 round which would have meant he would have lost. Also he was getting severely beaten for the last 3 rounds of the fight, so how was it lucky? I never said lucky did I, I said fortunate. Which it was, and there's a difference. The key point being on both of these fights regardless, is that these were highly competitie matches that were close to going the other way as Froch losses, against a past prime Taylor and a green Dirrell. That is not a top 5 p4p fighter. ward only beat froch by 2 rounds, which coincides with the top judges score cards. On 2 of the scorecards, the other had it 118-110 which most pundits agreed with. Kessler lost the first fight as many pundits agreed. Many is not most, unlike with the Ward fight where MOST agreed it was wider. Most had Froch losing, and Froch factually...LOST. Keep trying though mate. You do a better job of embarassing yourself than any of us could do, believe you me.

1)boxrec showed froch out landing dirrell, dirrell hardly through any punxhes and his best round was a correctly deducted point round, so in effect hi best round was adraw and even dirrel admitted he lost the 12th. Source please or you're making sh*t up. I thought Dirrell outlanded Froch 2-1. Dirrell was using Froch's face for target practice in the first 6 rounds and rattled him several times throughout the fight; most people thought he should have won an 8-4 type decision but was robbed in Froch's Nottingham.

People always say how good this list it but having Juan 4th and Rigo 9th is terrible Given he's a lower weight fighter I haven't followed Rigo's career that closely, but besides Donaire what other top fighters has he beaten that would warrant putting him 4th ahead of Marquez?

With all the speculation round ward and the fact froch only lost by 2 rounds to him. Where does this rank froch in the P4P lists if he beats groves??? Froch WON 2 rounds against ward lol

Simply incorrect, Dirrell out outlanded Froch 2-1. Why on earth did you think otherwise? That's false and ridiculous. Froch was knocked down, and was behind on the scorecards when the fight was stopped. That is undeniable fact. Froch lost, fact, and he deserved to. He's had enough close fights and been on the plus side. That was on ONE scorecard, the others had it wider. Fact. That has to have been one of the most moronic flatly false posts I've ever seen. :chairshot 1)boxrec showed froch out landing dirrell, dirrell hardly through any punxhes and his best round was a correctly deducted point round, so in effect hi best round was adraw and even dirrel admitted he lost the 12th. dIRRELLS face was a marked up mess, froch was unmarked froch won by 4 rounds. even the pres row scored it to froch, hell even dan Rafael scored it to froch. Taylor was going into the 12th on a split decision and was a 10-7 round which would have meant he would have lost. Also he was getting severely beaten for the last 3 rounds of the fight, so how was it lucky? ward only beat froch by 2 rounds, which coincides with the top judges score cards Kessler lost the first fight as many pundits agreed. Keep trying though mate.

Ward beat Froch by more than 2 rounds, you should keep it real. A Groves KO might move Froch up a place on the TBR PFP list but not much more. http://www.tbrb.org/p4p/ People always say how good this list it but having Juan 4th and Rigo 9th is terrible

Froch should be in the ring magazine P4P list over Canelo and Broner

In what unskilled caveman retard universe is Froch in the top 5 P4P? I honestly cannot think of a slower, more technically unskilled fighter in any top 10 of any weight class. Are you kidding me lol. Ward will KO his ugly ass next time they fight. As would Stevenson, Quillin or Golovkin.

Do the Brits think Froch will want to rematch Ward in 2014? Hearn is talking about Golovkin or Kessler III for Spring 2014, Ward is talking Chavez so if it happens it likely won't be until next Autumn/Fall or 2015.

I have him in the Lower Part of the Top 10 P4P already, a win over Groves would be GOOD but I don't think it is a Win that Elevates him Top 5