According to Bhop, Ruslan is bad for boxing because....

I don't think that's what he meant. He was more so criticizing media and fans for trying to force guys like Crawford to fight like Ruslan or they will be blackballed. Right, this is what I took him as saying too. The media pressure forces guys to fight stupidly for the sake of gaining fans as opposed to utilizing their own skillset.

Not true, he's actually the perfect fighter... He's exciting enough to gain a following, than when the right guy comes along to beat his ass with actual boxing skill, we have a new star on the rise Obviously the guy can't be Rigondeaux, he has to have some power and be willing to bang when the time comes That's the problem with fighters today, they're either skilled, but feather fisted and unexciting... Or they're completely skill-less brawlers Boy I hope Keith Thurman is the real deal

You're wasting your time as Hopkins never said Ruslan, or anyone else, is bad for boxing. This thread is a fabrication by the thread starter. Hopkins simply said "slick" fighters dont get support like they used to. He never mentioned Ruslans name or said offensive fighters are bad for the sport. Closest thing he said is that he tells, tries to tell, young kids to fight smart rather than be brawlers as it's better for the longevity of their careers. and even then, that statement in itself, is stupid and wrong. Guys who were considered brawlers who had long careers, Antonio Margarito 17 years Arturo Gatti 16 years Ricardo Mayorga 18 years Julio Cesar Chavez 22 years

Its the reason why many boxing fans find slick black defensive fighters boring or don't understand the art of boxing. Understanding or appreciating and actually finding certain styles entertaining are 2 totally different things. I fully understand and can appreciate the style of a slickster such as Bhop or Floyd. I found Hopkins performance against Pavlik very entertaining. It was a true boxing clinic. I also found both his fights with pascal very entertaining as well. Truth is he's also been in quite a few stinkers. I can say the same for Floyd and Ward as well as several other technical boxers as well. Now just because certain fans aren't entertained by actionless fighting doesn't mean they don't understand what's going it. It just means that when tuning in to see a fight they expect to see an actual fight. Not a display of let's see who can make who miss more without trying to hurt or take your opponent out. So at the end of the day there's no wonder why many boxing fans (mainly causals) prefer the style of say Ruslan or a Pacquiao to that of a defensive slickster. When you're watching fighters who are willing to put it all on line, take one in order to get theirs in, and who's main objective is to obliterate their opponent, there's no wonder why they get more praise than someone who prefers to play it safe and focus on merely playing tag you're it with their opponent with the objective of scoring a bland safe points victory. Its like watching 2 guys play the violin vs watching an action packed concert. mike Tyson said this about the klitschkos. he said they fight, they overcome, they conquer,I just entertained people... people want to see action & violence. if you can guarantee on a Saturday night that someone was going to get killed. you would have an absolute sellout. now if you told them it was going to be an hour long waltz how many people will show up?

Hopkins is a great fighter and I admire his incredible career. He is an all time great. What he is saying is just stupid and wrong. The Russian is great for boxing. He is not some crude slugger with no talent. He is a world champion now and he fought on even terms with Bradley who is one weight class heavier than him and one of the best boxers in the world. Who in their right mind wouldn't rather watch Ruslan fight than watch Hopkins fight these days? Ruslan brings action and excitement every minute of every round. Hopkins usually lands about ten punches a round and keeps his opponent from landing much by mauling, clinching and wrestling the rest of the round. Hopkin's fights are sometimes almost painful to watch. Yes he usually wins but so what? There was a time for many years when Hopkins really came to fight and he knocked guys out or beat the hell out of them. Hopkins was exciting to watch in those days just like the Russian is today. If the Russian can use his style to defeat skilled defensive boxers what's wrong with that and what's not to like?

smh b hop never said this

Quote: Originally Posted by CatchweightKing I pay for their living. I prefer to see a fighter who is obviously much better than his opponent, finish him off instead of cruise to a points victory. if he chooses not to, I choose to spend my money elsewhere. you don't like it, too bad for you. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android I sincerely doubt you pay to watch every boxer out there, and the ones you don't pay for seem to do fine without you. Vote with your wallet is all you have the right to do. Telling them how to fight when: A) You don't have their interests at heart and B) You don't have the stones to do it yourself Is just armchair fan-dom. Like the proverbial fat dude watching the game in his tidy whities screaming at the tv: "I coulda done better dan dat!". Hilarious! I pay for tickets to live events, merchandise, ppvs, subscriptions to hbo and Showtime. As a paying fan, I don't want to see someone who is clearly superior, just be content with a ud when it's obvious they can score a ko if they went for it. I pay to see knockouts, and no, their best interest isn't what I pay for. I pay for my best interests, and if you don't like, too bad too sad for you. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

I pay for their living. I prefer to see a fighter who is obviously much better than his opponent, finish him off instead of cruise to a points victory. if he chooses not to, I choose to spend my money elsewhere. you don't like it, too bad for you. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android I sincerely doubt you pay to watch every boxer out there, and the ones you don't pay for seem to do fine without you. Vote with your wallet is all you have the right to do. Telling them how to fight when: A) You don't have their interests at heart and B) You don't have the stones to do it yourself Is just armchair fan-dom. Like the proverbial fat dude watching the game in his tidy whities screaming at the tv: "I coulda done better dan dat!". Hilarious!

Hop = Old Wlad = Excessive Clincher Are we going to act like Wlad isn't a 17 year old pro with over 60 pro fights? Doesn't Wlad have a glass chin? If so, why would he expose it and just "let" someone get on the inside and not legally clinch? He uses his size to his advantage just like Floyd uses his speed to his advantage. If Floyd fought a crude brawler who started rushing him like a savage, should Floyd just start brawling/slugging with him? The objective is to hit and not be hit...... unless you're Wlad Clinching is okay....... unless you're Wlad Defensive fighters are great....... unless you're Wlad Being old is an excuse to clinch and be defensive/ugly...... unless you're Wlad Boxing is "the sweet science"........ unless you're Wlad Am I missing anything else?

Yes that was terrible. NO other Wlad fights have been like that Hopkins = Defensive wizard ... Wlad = Bum Wlad has been holding and excessively clinching his whole damn life. :?!::dunno:Hop = Old Wlad = Excessive Clincher

Now watch Wlad Povetkin. Yes that was terrible. NO other Wlad fights have been like that Hopkins = Defensive wizard ... Wlad = Bum :?!::dunno:

As men we shouldn't be discussing the looks of other men but I will say this.... Bernard Hopkins one of the ugliest human beings to ever walk the face of the earth. Real talk bro. He makes Wlad look like a stud novela actor. Ugly is ugly. Wlad is one ugly @#!$!@#$!@#!

Hey, I agree with what u said.... All I said was that he holds alot like Wlad. Klitschko looks worst doing it cuz he's so much bigger snd stronger then his opponents but Hopkins is an excessive clincher. Can't deny that. Hop is excused for any holding that he does, Wlad isn't.

:bigeyes:Now watch Wlad Povetkin.

hes obviousy not, and even if he was hes still far better looking than BHOP. In any nightclub the girls would swarm round him and BHOP wouldn't get a thing.Neither one of them would have chicks swarming them. Now if they both had money both would get something. Yes guys, I'm stooping this low.

hes obviousy not, and even if he was hes still far better looking than BHOP. In any nightclub the girls would swarm round him and BHOP wouldn't get a thing. in the nightclubs you go to we know why this would happen.

Wlad is ugly as hell, lmao. As men we shouldn't be discussing the looks of other men but I will say this.... Bernard Hopkins one of the ugliest human beings to ever walk the face of the earth. Real talk bro. He makes Wlad look like a stud novela actor.

Wlad is ugly as hell, lmao. hes obviousy not, and even if he was hes still far better looking than BHOP. In any nightclub the girls would swarm round him and BHOP wouldn't get a thing.

So Hop grabs a lil more than he used to. He's damn near 50. Wlad is a jabber and a right hander who can't fight inside, and has a notorious reputation as a guy who when confronted with someone who wants to get inside to grabd and hold. Wlad grabbed and excessively clinched his whole career, and that's why nobody likes to watch him or the fighters the TS likes fight. Hey, I agree with what u said.... All I said was that he holds alot like Wlad. Klitschko looks worst doing it cuz he's so much bigger snd stronger then his opponents but Hopkins is an excessive clincher. Can't deny that.

No, it isn't. Wtf, lmao... So Hop grabs a lil more than he used to. He's damn near 50. Wlad is a jabber and a right hander who can't fight inside, and has a notorious reputation as a guy who when confronted with someone who wants to get inside to grabd and hold. Wlad grabbed and excessively clinched his whole career, and that's why nobody likes to watch him or the fighters the TS likes fight. :bigeyes: