Outside of Sam Langford who wasn't a champ, Henry Armstrong, Whitaker and Duran I can't think of anyone who is his size or smaller who would face the 19 champions he beat and go undefeated from 130 to 154. Mayweather is a true ATG
Arguello's just too small.
He's my all time favourite fighter and the first person I was a fan of but he's not going to be able to compete at 147.
He was out of his depth at 140 physically.
Ok, i respect that,,, Its just really hard to find a guy at the lower weights that could have gone thru floyd's resume,,
I can name guys at lower weights that could do what he did from 130-140, and i could name plenty of guys that would win from 140-154,, but finding one guy that went thru all those weights is very rare,,, hats off to floyd,,
Ok, good point,, i just think that arguello would be able to fight all the guys on the list,,, maybe not old oscar and canelo,,,, but he would beat ghost and ortiz, the dude was way better and only got beat at 140 by a coked up pryor,,,
But i do see your point
Arguello's just too small.
He's my all time favourite fighter and the first person I was a fan of but he's not going to be able to compete at 147.
He was out of his depth at 140 physically.
How is Arguello going to go through Mayweather's resume undefeated when he's too small for 140 let alone 147 and 154.
Ok, good point,, i just think that arguello would be able to fight all the guys on the list,,, maybe not old oscar and canelo,,,, but he would beat ghost and ortiz, the dude was way better and only got beat at 140 by a coked up pryor,,,
But i do see your point
Floyd's resume is really good, just not top 20 ATG good,,
Guys i think that would be undefeated fighting floyd's list of opponents
oscar
pernell
shane
armstrong
duran
Arguello
pryor
Its a very short list,,, Floyd has ATG talent, and his resume is top-notch, just a step down when compared to SRL, ali, etc
How is Arguello going to go through Mayweather's resume undefeated when he's too small for 140 let alone 147 and 154.
Floyd's resume is really good, just not top 20 ATG good,,
Guys i think that would be undefeated fighting floyd's list of opponents
oscar
pernell
shane
armstrong
duran
Arguello
pryor
Its a very short list,,, Floyd has ATG talent, and his resume is top-notch, just a step down when compared to SRL, ali, etc
At the time in his career when he fought them, Oscar de la Hoya would have gone undefeated through mayweathers resume. The Shane Mosley that beat Oscar and the Shane tha pt floyd beat we're two completely different animals.
i disagree and agree
if oscar fought them at the ages floyd did he'd lose to some fighters on floyd's resume..
if oscar fought at a more faster pace i agree.
These idiots actually take pride in saying "Floyd doesn't have the honor of being in a trilogy like a real warrior" lmao. Floyd is supposed to feel bad that he doesn't have an equal lol.
In 45 fights four lineal titles
9 former current future champions and 19 total titlists defeated
over 20 title fights over 5 weight classes undefeated
Wins over several future or current Hof ers genero hernandes, gatti, cotto, odlh, Mosley and close calls like Castillo, corrales, and Hatton
Dudes accomplishments considering how few fights he has is impressive and had been competing against world class guys 15 years.
IMO his critics underrate his accomplishments
No one with 50 or less fights come close to his resume
It seems to me majority of boxing fans lack the true definiton of what a resume means. A resume is supposed to be a list of accomplishments; well boxing is the only sport on Earth where loss is considered an acomplishment or noble. Jordan didn't get a pass because he lost to the Pistons three straight years and they won two NBA titles in that period instead he scolded and people said would a scoring champ ever lead a team to an NBA title. In boxing it would be ok because he lost to the champ.
I wouldn't pick Oscar to beat Cotto
I would. Especially at 154. Oscar with his granite chin, 5' 10" height, power to spare, very good defense. I can't see Cotto doing much damage.
If we're talking about the 2008 DLH that struggled with Forbes at 150, and was stopped by Pacquiao at 147, a lot of fighters beat that Oscar. You don't have to be anything special to beat the DLH of 2008 who was draining himself, preparing himself for a Cotto fight, had Cotto beaten Margarito.
There have been lesser fighters than canelo, Ortiz and old Mosley who have been champs so what's your point. Floyd has 45 fights and half of them are against world class fighters. Srr fought good fighters and a lot of tomatoe cans, when Mayweather has 39 fights like Leonard when he retired he also beat more world class guys than Leonard and more title defenses. Every era isn't littered with atgs but what was present in his era he has,beaten more world class guys than anyone.
If you feel he fought a bunch of paper champs cool. I think 19 titlists excluding the wbo he had done more than everyone with close to his amount of fights. To be technical the lineal/ring champs he beat include Alvarez, Genaro Hernandez, Judah, Mosley, Hatton, corrales, Castillo, baldomir, and DE la hoya that's nine REAL champs. That's more than odlh, Whitaker,Trinidad, Ricardo Lopez, calzaghe, Leonard or darn near anyone else 50 or less fights. His resume isn't the best, nor is ray robinsons but most rate hi the greatest ever
Actually floyd had a chance with many fights to improve his resume. Im not trying to bash floyd. He is the best of his generation but to defend his resume is laughable. Casamoyer and freitas and spadafora and Stevie johnston and tsyzu at lower weights for starters. But maybe none of those guys wanted career high paydays..I wont go into all the welters because that has been played to death. Just saying if u think beating canelo at a cw is great. More power to u. Most great fighters take the big fights. Didn't toney fight nunn mccallum jones... oscar fought one TiTo Shane in less than 183 months.. floyd is fighting ghost canelo n probably khan or garcia.. there is no real comparison unless your a floyd nuthugger
Thats so funny considering manny hand picked his way to the top also until my man JMM knocked his arse out!!! But i agree floyd hand picks as well!!!
PAC beating Barerra > Floyd entire career
floyd is a very very good fighter and in time we will call him a great fighter, but for me its the fact that guys like Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran ect.... Have a better caliber of fighters on there records. they really captured the imagination of fans by the way the fought, this is why they will always get more respect from hardcore fans. its more than just how many belts you won and how many champions you faced.
anyone can hand pick opponents, and pay off fighters and go on undefeated. So fuking what!
Thats so funny considering manny hand picked his way to the top also until my man JMM knocked his arse out!!! But i agree floyd hand picks as well!!!
Its not that his resume is bad,,, just compared to other ATGs
If you think floyd is top 5 or 10 all time,,, his resume does not justify that ranking.....
compared to other great fighters his resume is really lacking,,
oscar, armstrong, ali, srr, srl, and many others blow past floyd when it comes to resume....
the thing to remember is in other eras, the champs that floyd has fought wouldnt be champs,,,
JLC, Genaro, HAtton, jmm, may have been champs in other eras, but guys like ortiz, canelo, ghost, old shane those guys wouldnt be champs.....
Canelo would never be the guy at 154 with a hearns, jackson or mccallum or even norris there
JLC, jmm, genaro would be hard pressed to win titles with a duran or arguello there..
Shane, ortiz, ghost would never be champs with guys like srl, benitez, curry there
Floyd has beaten alot of paper champs, and the era is really weak,,
Floyd has great skills, but his resume does not compare to other greats resume,,
the manny fight, and margs, cotto, shane in 07-09 would have helped his resume alot
There have been lesser fighters than canelo, Ortiz and old Mosley who have been champs so what's your point. Floyd has 45 fights and half of them are against world class fighters. Srr fought good fighters and a lot of tomatoe cans, when Mayweather has 39 fights like Leonard when he retired he also beat more world class guys than Leonard and more title defenses. Every era isn't littered with atgs but what was present in his era he has,beaten more world class guys than anyone.
If you feel he fought a bunch of paper champs cool. I think 19 titlists excluding the wbo he had done more than everyone with close to his amount of fights. To be technical the lineal/ring champs he beat include Alvarez, Genaro Hernandez, Judah, Mosley, Hatton, corrales, Castillo, baldomir, and DE la hoya that's nine REAL champs. That's more than odlh, Whitaker,Trinidad, Ricardo Lopez, calzaghe, Leonard or darn near anyone else 50 or less fights. His resume isn't the best, nor is ray robinsons but most rate hi the greatest ever
F10m0s and their stand on Floyd being a top ATG :lol1:. They need to do themself a favor and stop
Floyd: Eat my $h!t.
F10m0s: OK
Dela Hoya losing to Tito > Floyd undefeated record
Sam Langford shouldn't be faulted for not being a champion. He fought when black fighters weren't given those opportunities.
I never faulted him. I just stated a fact. I often rank him
The greatest of all time he beat Chand and hall of famers from lightweight to heavyweight
Skill wise he is right up there with the legends of any era but like sugar said his resume is very good but it definitely could/should have been better.
In my opinion there are a number of guys who would have matched Mayweather achievements had they been around today.
Money May would not be undefeated had he not been fortunate enough to fight in this era.