We just saw Loma debut in a fight where he looked spectacular, and now there's talks of a possible Salido fight for Jan 2014. Which would make him the champion with the least of amount of fights in history. He's already the best amateur of all time and a 2 time Olympic Gold medal winner but a feat like that would put him on the track to an ATG career.
Amateur Records:
Lomachenko: +400-1
Rigondeux: -400-12
Obviously Loma is the better amateur
In the pros it took Rigo 9 fights to become a champion against a mediocre champ like Rico Ramos. Loma might do it in 2 against Salido (who could rival Rigo's biggest win)
Of course it's still early but who do you think will be greater when it's all said and done?
You question is loaded and you can answer it differently according to your personal agenda and personal value system.
You said "Obviously Loma is the better amateur" I don't agree with this Rigo is a far more skilled fighter.Loma's record may APPEAR better but if you scrutanise the skill set Rigo is better.
As far as pro career is concerned I believe Loma will have a better career because I see Arum totally getting behind him and making it happen. Rigo will not get that kind of support but if he did he would outshine Loma because he is better.
Both are highly skilled but Rigo more so,Loma is an energy fighter and they are easier to sell than technical skill freaks.
The bottom line IMO is Rigo is superior but Loma will have the better pro career.
I don't have an agenda
but to adress the rest of your post. No, I don't concede that Rigo is more skilled than Loma and being more skilled doesn't mean you're a greater or more accomplished boxer. Linares can have all the skill in the world but he still got sent to hell by the rouged Demarco, Loma is the better amateur. He accomplished more in lesser time and in a more impressive fashion. out of the 400 plus fights he's had he's beaten every single one of his opponents.
Not sure about that. Gamboa was able to toy with a dangerous Salido and almost had him KO'ed in the 12th.
Pretty certain Rigo on his worst night would have his way with 'Siri'
I agree with you, it's too early for Lomachenko to fight Salido.
Salido dropped Gamboa though, Salido is one of those fighters that's always dangerous no matter how badly you outbox him. Mikey gave him a beating and towards the end of the fight Salido was still attacking and hurting Mikey. Salido's size and determination alone might overwhelm the smaller Rigo.
Loma might have what it takes to beat Salido but he should wait a little bit. Maybe be feed him Rico Ramos and have him destroy him worse than Rigo did
I think it's too early for him to fight Salido. He should take it a little slower and easier like Rigo did. A prime Salido would take Rigo out and lets be honest Rigo has pop at 122 but he's not destroying Loma.
Not sure about that. Gamboa was able to toy with a dangerous Salido and almost had him KO'ed in the 12th.
Pretty certain Rigo on his worst night would have his way with 'Siri'
I agree with you, it's too early for Lomachenko to fight Salido.
Lomachenko needs to get past Salido first. You mentioned in my Loma thread that he will possibly get ruined vs Salido.
How is it possible that in your eyes Salido ruins Lomachenko yet Rigo will not?
Seems a bit contradicting.
I think it's too early for him to fight Salido. He should take it a little slower and easier like Rigo did. A prime Salido would take Rigo out and lets be honest Rigo has pop at 122 but he's not destroying Loma.
Lomachenko is already ahead of Rigo cos he fight with an exciting style throwing punches in bunches.
Rigo only wait and wait till an opponent throws and then he will counter. Also running and running to keep his distance.
Rigo running style makes him more difficult to beat but we will see how Loma does with Salido. Hopefully he can KO Siri with another body shot although I'll say that's very difficult.
the question was not who was the more exciting fighter i swear people get good and exciting mixed up way to much
Rigo could move up if he wanted. floyd can go up to 154 but god forbid Rigondeaux goes up 4 lbs to 126. I think Lomachenko will have the better career because TR is backing him. Also if he beats Salido he will have a better win than anyone on Rigondeauxs resume excluding Donaire, thru 2 fights.
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Lomachenko needs to get past Salido first. You mentioned in my Loma thread that he will possibly get ruined vs Salido.
How is it possible that in your eyes Salido ruins Lomachenko yet Rigo will not?
Seems a bit contradicting.
Unless you jab, clinch, pot shot and run for 12 rounds straight you're a " face first brawler" too a lot of these fans :lol1:
Well those things do contribute to not being a punching bag
"Decent little fighter." Heh, heh, heh. Oh, Maniac, you say the darndest things....
he has a decent win, but not much more. I wouldnt exactly say he's some monster, beast world beater. Maybe with time but he's already close to his mid 30s
If Loma beats Salido he will be off to a better start than Rigo in the pro's that's indisputable and Loma's record in the Amateurs is more impressive than Rigos.
Loma impressed me more last night than Rigo has.. getting rocked every other fight. No offense to Rigo, he's a decent little fighter
"Decent little fighter." Heh, heh, heh. Oh, Maniac, you say the darndest things....
Too much for him right now? perhaps, Loma isn't as experience as Rigo, but Loma is starting his pro career better than Rigo. Infact a win over Salido would be better than all of Rigo's opponents no named Donaire. I don't buy the he's too small for FW. That sounds like an excuse. JMM was too "small" for LW but he went up to seal his legacy as did Mayweather. Floyd isn't a natural JMW but he's up there fighting. If Rigo was truly great he'd do it.
Who else is he going to fight at Super Bantamweight? he knows that the boogymen are at Featherweight, like Mikey, Mares, Johnny, Donaire, Lomachenko. He'll lose that 0 if he goes up. Which is why hes going to feed on bums for the rest of his career. That's a duck move and you know it.
With a couple more fight Loma will be ready for Rigo but Rigo wont fight him
bookmarked for a later bump..................just like with canelo mares marquez mythesse. this will be the easiest one of them all.
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You are putting your eggs on the wrong Basket my friend if they fought right now i would bet you all my 3 points that Lomachenko looses a decision. Even Lomachenko acknowledges Rigondeaux is too much for him right now because he knows the amateur legend, and you deff are comparing 2 guys record who had a very diff level of opposition.
Just look at the competitions Rigo was in and what Lomachenko did as an amateur and it's easy to see it's like you saying Canelo resume is going to be better than Marquez because he is going to have less losses as a pro facing trash... Quality over everything!. Even so this is a pipe dream because Rigo is too small for featherweight and i wouldn't want it at a catch weight. It's not fair for Lomachenko to kill himself to get to 122 he has always fought as feather or lightweight, and it's not fair to force 5'4 Rigo up either he is just too small.
The greatest advantage Lomachenko has over the long run is his age and that is his only chance.
Too much for him right now? perhaps, Loma isn't as experience as Rigo, but Loma is starting his pro career better than Rigo. Infact a win over Salido would be better than all of Rigo's opponents no named Donaire. I don't buy the he's too small for FW. That sounds like an excuse. JMM was too "small" for LW but he went up to seal his legacy as did Mayweather. Floyd isn't a natural JMW but he's up there fighting. If Rigo was truly great he'd do it.
Who else is he going to fight at Super Bantamweight? he knows that the boogymen are at Featherweight, like Mikey, Mares, Johnny, Donaire, Lomachenko. He'll lose that 0 if he goes up. Which is why hes going to feed on bums for the rest of his career. That's a duck move and you know it.
With a couple more fight Loma will be ready for Rigo but Rigo wont fight him
If Loma beats Salido he will be off to a better start than Rigo in the pro's that's indisputable and Loma's record in the Amateurs is more impressive than Rigos.
Loma impressed me more last night than Rigo has.. getting rocked every other fight. No offense to Rigo, he's a decent little fighter
You are putting your eggs on the wrong Basket my friend if they fought right now i would bet you all my 3 points that Lomachenko looses a decision. Even Lomachenko acknowledges Rigondeaux is too much for him right now because he knows the amateur legend, and you deff are comparing 2 guys record who had a very diff level of opposition.
Just look at the competitions Rigo was in and what Lomachenko did as an amateur and it's easy to see it's like you saying Canelo resume is going to be better than Marquez because he is going to have less losses as a pro facing trash... Quality over everything!. Even so this is a pipe dream because Rigo is too small for featherweight and i wouldn't want it at a catch weight. It's not fair for Lomachenko to kill himself to get to 122 he has always fought as feather or lightweight, and it's not fair to force 5'4 Rigo up either he is just too small.
The greatest advantage Lomachenko has over the long run is his age and that is his only chance.
How is that ???If Rigo would have stayed fighting trash amateur he would be 50000 and 0 but he has been competing at the highest level as amateur since forever just Look at their Medals and level of oposition and say that sh*t again again you obviously don't know sh*t about amateur boxing lol.
And honestly unless Lomachenko beats a top 5 p4p before 13 fights he has no chance in fking hell to catch up to the socks of Rigo as a pro he can beat Salidos all day but he is going to need a good curve of adjustment before we can see any greatness coming out of him.
If Loma beats Salido he will be off to a better start than Rigo in the pro's that's indisputable and Loma's record in the Amateurs is more impressive than Rigos.
Loma impressed me more last night than Rigo has.. getting rocked every other fight. No offense to Rigo, he's a decent little fighter
Here is a prediction of who lomachenko's next 8 fights will look like. He is starting fast and I don't think he will slow down.
KO's Orlando Salido
KO's Oscar Valdez
KO's Evgeny Gradovich
Will beat a few hypejob bums: KO's Juan Manuel Lopez, and KO's Nonito Donaire.
Then will fight Guillermo Rigondeaux and will lose an instant classic and it will be a close legit decision.
KO's Mikey Garcia
Rematch Guillermo Rigondeaux and Lomachenko will win the rematch by a legit split decision.
His Record 8-1 and 6 wins coming by way of knockout.
I disagree with this
We just saw Loma debut in a fight where he looked spectacular, and now there's talks of a possible Salido fight for Jan 2014. Which would make him the champion with the least of amount of fights in history. He's already the best amateur of all time and a 2 time Olympic Gold medal winner but a feat like that would put him on the track to an ATG career.
Amateur Records:
Lomachenko: +400-1
Rigondeux: -400-12
Obviously Loma is the better amateur
In the pros it took Rigo 9 fights to become a champion against a mediocre champ like Rico Ramos. Loma might do it in 2 against Salido (who could rival Rigo's biggest win)
Of course it's still early but who do you think will be greater when it's all said and done?
How is that ???If Rigo would have stayed fighting trash amateur he would be 50000 and 0 but he has been competing at the highest level as amateur since forever just Look at their Medals and level of oposition and say that sh*t again again you obviously don't know sh*t about amateur boxing lol.
And honestly unless Lomachenko beats a top 5 p4p before 13 fights he has no chance in fking hell to catch up to the socks of Rigo as a pro he can beat Salidos all day but he is going to need a good curve of adjustment before we can see any greatness coming out of him.
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