Pacquiao is multi dimensional, JMM is one dimensional

Manny knocked Mosley down. Let me know how many fighters were able to do that? Manny had Mosley running. Let me know how many fighters were able to do that? Mosley doesn't run but that night he did. Manny was winning easily and didn't have to chase Mosley more than he had to. Funny how you say that "Mosley who was coming off that ass beating from the hands of Mayweather". If you say that Floyd did that then not sure why you are criticizing Manny. Mosley had 1 great round against Floyd (none against Manny) and Floyd never came close to knocking Mosley down (Manny did knock Mosley down) and Floyd never had Mosley giving up like he did against Manny. You do realize Floyd fought a better version of Mosley than Pacquiao did right? After round 4 Mosley looked discouraged and knew he couldn't win against Floyd. Mosley looked like he knew he couldn't win against Pacquiao as well, albeit that was a sorrier version of Mosley

So Pacquiao beats Zombie De La Hoya and David Diaz and all the sudden he is a multi dimensional threat and can box circles around people? He should of used his multi dimensional skills to cut the ring off a 40 year old Mosley Lets see: he won 12 rounds, dropped Mosley and had him running. Canelo won 12, didn't drop him or send him running. Floyd won 11, got hurt bad, didn't drop him or send him running. Just how better was he supposed to do vs Mosley? THIS^^^^^^ The question should be is there a need to cut the ring off to defeat Mosley? He was already running away and cannot do anything to win the fight. There you go!

Everyone says Pac has such great foot work and I find it amusing he can't cut the ring off a 40-year old man. It's funny Pac even gets a pass for fighting Mosley who was coming off that ass beating from the hands of Mayweather and a dreadful performance against Sergio Mora. Hec I actually do follow boxing, I write and I actually box. And if a fighter is running you are supposed to cut the ring off. It just illustrates Pacquiao can't do that, his foot work is overrated to an extent. You bring up he didn't have the mindset to want to KO Mosley? Manny knocked Mosley down. Let me know how many fighters were able to do that? Manny had Mosley running. Let me know how many fighters were able to do that? Mosley doesn't run but that night he did. Manny was winning easily and didn't have to chase Mosley more than he had to. Funny how you say that "Mosley who was coming off that ass beating from the hands of Mayweather". If you say that Floyd did that then not sure why you are criticizing Manny. Mosley had 1 great round against Floyd (none against Manny) and Floyd never came close to knocking Mosley down (Manny did knock Mosley down) and Floyd never had Mosley giving up like he did against Manny.

Good job you predicted the obvious specially that cotto delvin fight oh and wald vs slowpoketkin I know that was tough... Dude stop hating, i also predicted JMM to KO Pacman with a right hand and you guys laughed at me. I also said Danny Garcia would out box Lucas or even stop him, he almost had a TKO but Lucas refused to have the fight stopped from his swelling eye. I study I don't just drop stupid predictions out my azz.

Because that one dimension is what gives Pac problems. Have you ever heard of styles make fights? JMM just has the style that gives Pacman hell. Pacman plays right into his style, aggressive fighter and JMM is a matador. I study a lot of fights its why my prediction ratio is pretty high. I picked Bradley over JMM, JMM over Pacquiao by ko, Lucas ko Dallas Jr, Klitschko over Povetkin, Cotto knocking out Delvin, Floyd out boxing Canelo, and Danny Garcia beating Lucas, just to name a few. I study the fights unbiasedly. Good job you predicted the obvious specially that cotto delvin fight oh and wald vs slowpoketkin I know that was tough...

Manny weighed more than Oscar on the night of the fight.... So thats Oscars fault he gets no sympathy from me, you sure don't get mad at Oscar for picking on a little dude. and what does that have to do with anything I side? the Fact is Pacman used a different style in that fight, showing his versatility int he offensive realm.

Manny weighed more than Oscar on the night of the fight.... Thats Oscars fault. I can never understand your lames sorry wanna be points. Who gives a fvck if Oscar weighed less? He picked Manny because he thought he was going to knock him out.

Pac boxed so good in that fight though. Everyone thought Oscar was going to win and Pac gets full credit because Oscar picked on a little guy and got his ass whooped. Manny weighed more than Oscar on the night of the fight....

JMM just fights better as a counter puncher...doesn't mean he's one dimensional

hectari = dumb LOW IQ ******* Why do you say that Chalino? I am unbiased man. Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik Morales are more versatile than Marquez. I even felt JMM barely beat Barrera if it wasn't for that lame hit Marco landed after he dropped JMM that guy him penalized.

Let me ask this, see what an old super washed up past prime Erik Morales did to Marcos Maidana and Danny Garcia in the first fight? Does that mean Maidana and Garcia are garbage? a lot of people like to discredit Pacman for his wins over Morales, yet nobody goes hard at Danny Garcia or Maidana they basically fought an old man.

Without question, Manny Pacquiao is the more versatile and flexible of the two fighters. Marquez tends to be a bit more stagnant who doesn't make adjustments on the fly given his slower feet and lower work rate. This was the major reason why he lost to Bradley because he's a natural counter puncher and wasn't nearly as active as he should have been. He needed to fight at a faster pace, while pressing the fight more by cutting off the ring but didn't; Since Bradley isn't a huge puncher and was very reluctant in standing flat-footed to trade punches with him. In addition, Marquez tends to have trouble against boxers, who like to fight from the outside, by working behind the jab, while using their legs and by refusing to engage by avoiding the exchanges with him. Moreover he hardly attempted any combination punches at all in the Bradley fight. I don't think that he even landed more than two combinations, for the entire fight. He was mostly loading up on single punches at a time. Pacman on the other hand matches up much better against Timothy Bradley because he's a natural slugger, who can make adjustments, with a higher work rate and faster feet. For example, in his bout with Bradley, he was able to close the distance a lot faster than Marquez, due to his superior foot speed and higher cardio conditioning.

Pac boxed so good in that fight though. Everyone thought Oscar was going to win and Pac gets full credit because Oscar picked on a little guy and got his ass whooped. True this..! De la Hoya was expecting Cotto to beat Margarito, but he lost. So, Pacquiao was DeLa Hoya's plan B.

Everyone says Pac has such great foot work and I find it amusing he can't cut the ring off a 40-year old man. It's funny Pac even gets a pass for fighting Mosley who was coming off that ass beating from the hands of Mayweather and a dreadful performance against Sergio Mora. Hec I actually do follow boxing, I write and I actually box. And if a fighter is running you are supposed to cut the ring off. It just illustrates Pacquiao can't do that, his foot work is overrated to an extent. You bring up he didn't have the mindset to want to KO Mosley? It was really enough to win 12 rounds, drop Mosley and send him running. That in itself is an accomplishment for anyone, much less a midget, no matter how washed up. Canelo fought an even older, more washed up, Pac-emasculated version, didn't drop him or send him running, and that was with Mosley being the smaller guy. Seems silly to pick nits here.

Pacquiao is definitely talented, but he can't be as multidimensional as you claim considering that in four tries he's been unable to get a victory over Marquez without help from the judges, and was knocked out cold in the last fight. The thing is, Pac has natural advantages over Marquez like his blazing hand and foot speed which match up well against Bradley. Nevertheless, Marquez managed to neutralize Pac's physical advantages with his superior technique and intellect. And although Marquez lost last night, let's not forget that we're talking about a 40 year old veteran who'd shown signs of decline and had become more stationary since his move up to lightweight, but to his credit, he was able to make adjustments to remain competitive, which many fighters are unable to do. Fighters who rely heavily on their physical abilities tend to decline dramatically once they begin to slow down physically-- I don't think it's a coincidence that Pac tripped face first into Marquez's counter in his last fight after complaining of leg problems in previous fights. At any rate, perhaps we would have seen a different outcome last night if this had been a younger and fresher version of Marquez. Nevertheless, he gave a respectable performance all things considered. All the more you should give Pacquiao props for winning 2 of 4 fights against Marquez. Pacquiao fought Marquez at Marquez's deadliest style and form and yet won 2 of 4 (should've been 3 of 4 if it wasn't for a nincompoop judge). Even Floyd fought on the backfoot against Marquez and the few times he didn't Marquez scored big shots.

Juan Manuel Marquez cannot fight going forward, he sucks with pressing fights, he also never blocks punches he only has one mode to constantly back up and fight with the matador style using three punch combos to keep you back, he never clinches either. Just side step three punch counter. Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik Morales had more dimensions than Marquez. Pacman is called a one dimensional boxer because he had tough fights with Marquez. Well Pacman is the Bull to Marquez Matador, just because one fighter has someones number doesn't mean that fighter is one dimensional. Marquez had trouble with slick black fighters like Floyd and Bradley, Pacman beat Bradley and this was a half interested pacman who wasn't even top shape. Pacman was able to compete with the speed of Bradley and not get hit either people keep saying pacman has no defense but he looked pretty good in that fight and he wasn't even trying. Pacman has the basic Flaws like lunging, and dropping his hands, but he still has more tricks and ways to fight opponents than Marquez does. All Marquez can do is hope for a super aggressive guy so he can counter punch him while stepping back. Ruslan did better than Marquez because in order to have a shot with Bradley you have to apply pressure with him, does that mean Ruslan is better than Marquez? nope but they are both one dimensional guys, Ruslan only can press a fight, he can't box circles or counter off the back foot, just like JMM cannot pressure fight he can only box off the back foot. Pacman is not a shoulder roll slickster but he has shown more dimensions than Marquez, the racist Floyd fans like to point out that pacman stumbles and lunges once in a while, and never give credit to his unorthodox moves but he has shown that he can box and brawl and pressure fight and box off the back foot. Pacman boxed circles around David Diaz and Oscar, he out brawled Margarito and boxed him on the back foot with counter punches. I have only seen Marquez box off the back foot and never seen him pressure fight. Pacmans Attention Deficit Disorder and super furious style, it makes him abandon a patient game plan and this is how he loses but he has show he can be patient like when he fought Oscar, he boxed him beautifully. My exact assessment of Pacquiao and Marquez. Good post!

Lets see: he won 12 rounds, dropped Mosley and had him running. Canelo won 12, didn't drop him or send him running. Floyd won 11, got hurt bad, didn't drop him or send him running. Just how better was he supposed to do vs Mosley? He used boxing in those fights but you obviously don't study fights so you have no clue how to study fights you just say zombie de la hoya but study the style Pac used to beat zombie de la hoya he out boxed him and wasn't getting careless. Mosley ran, that wasn't even his style so they never prepared for that. Mosley was always known has a boxer puncher or power boxer who would go toe to toe. Like I said its all up to Pacmans mind set, he was mainly just fighting for a check now. Everyone says Pac has such great foot work and I find it amusing he can't cut the ring off a 40-year old man. It's funny Pac even gets a pass for fighting Mosley who was coming off that ass beating from the hands of Mayweather and a dreadful performance against Sergio Mora. Hec I actually do follow boxing, I write and I actually box. And if a fighter is running you are supposed to cut the ring off. It just illustrates Pacquiao can't do that, his foot work is overrated to an extent. You bring up he didn't have the mindset to want to KO Mosley?

a few more flowmos might get blocked soon, I don't waste my time with guys who just read the thread title and don't understand or bother reading the thread. This is why I don't waste my time with Flowmos or Pac haters they ignore everything and keep repeating whatever fits their agenda.

This is a horrible thread. JMM is a better technical boxer than manny. anyone with any knowledge can see that. Yes marquez has a weakness. i dont think JMM losing to a great champion deserves a **** thread about a difference between JMM and manny. Another guy who just doesn't understand multi dimensional. Pac has more dimensions than Marquez, prove me wrong. Marquez is a pure counter puncher.

Well, Marquez is simply not good in pressing the action. He's good in countering and fighting backwards. That's why he was clueless against Mayweather. Floyd and now Bradley didn't let him do what he does best.