By 2008 Miguel Cotto was PR boxing's biggest star and possibly the leading fighter at 147lb, Antonio Margarito was the Mexican bad man, hard hitting and uncompromising. Cotto was given the star treatment whereas Margarito had to come up the hard way, gathering losses as he went. This was a fight between two very different men and both had to prove something.
Margarito wanted to show everyone he was more than just a hard man.
Cotto wanted to show everyone he was worthy of his p4p stature and ranking.
The fight itself was as good as it gets the early rounds belonged squarely to Cotto, who boxed, moved and out landed Margarito but for everyone 3 punches Margarito took, he would land one...and they hurt.
As the fight swung toward the 5th and 6th rounds, it was obvious that Cotto's early points lead my not mean much, Margarito was starting to land the more telling punches. It had shades of Taylor v Chavez, where Chavez battered Taylor in the championship rounds. I didn't want to see that, I kept thinking that Cotto would mount a come back but by the 11th it was obvious that the scorecards would most likely be even and that Cotto may not take much more.
Margarito finished it in the 11th, pounding Cotto on the ropes and the great Puerto Rican took a knee.
Sadly, the fight is no longer remembered for the great contest it was, now all people talk about is how Cotto quit and how that somehow defines an entire nation. Margarito's detractors point to the hearsay that he may have been using illegal substances in his gloves, although there has never been any evidence of that.
I just wish more people would talk about this on the merit of the two fighters, the skill, guts and damn will that both men showed, rather than the negatives. In welterweight history this should be up there with Leonard/Hearns.
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Originally Posted by MANIAC310
I've watched it about 15 times since it happened. It's an amazing fight.
I don't know if Margarito cheated in that fight, If you're a Cotto fan or Margarito hater you'll say he did. If you're a Margarito fan or Cotto hater you'll say he didn't. He didn't get "caught" that fight so I'll say he didn't cheat. What I do find laughable is that people praise Mosley for beating Margarito because Margarito allegedly attempted to cheat but don't bring up Mosley's cheating past, and it's the same fans that say "once a cheat all of his wins come into question" Why doesn't that fight come into question though? an why do Cotto's fans support him?
Your argument is sound and valid and i would agree with it if it wasn't for the fact that in boxing you are guilty until proven innocent not the other way around. Just the doubt and the fact that it "looks" shady,and that he got caught one fight after is enough to crucify the guy in boxing, Everyone knows this. It ain't right but that's how it is.
So why wasn't Cotto complaining about cracked gloves and HANDWRAPS after the fight? Why didn't anyone notice these super hard handwraps used to beat Cotto?
Because there weren't any.
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I try not to reply to you because you usually troll, but this is a serious reply. I think he used simply because why would you need wraps for past prime Mosley (as he was viewed) but not undefeated prime Cotto? Not to mention Tony is usually a gym rat and for the first time in his career he was lazy, the bricks made him lazy I think. Cotto's faced never swelled up like that either, even in tough fights with Judah, Mosley and Torress. Still I can't prove Marg cheated just giving my opinion as to why.
The reason he was lazy is probably because he didn't want the Mosley fight and he needed more time off after the Cotto. Margarito was promised the Oscar fight but Oscar backed out. He was fat at the press conferences for the Mosley fight and clearly didn't make the weight well.
It's extremely arrogant of Cotto fans to think that just cos he may have tried to use them on Mosley, he would have had to have used them on Miguel. Margarito always had the beating of Cotto, he matched up well against him.
If I remember correctly, Tony was also missing for a week or so leading up to the signing of the fight or something like that. There was definitely something fishy going on.
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Great thread and good discussion without las cucarachas.
When it comes to sports, and some what to life I was very, I mean overly sad at the end.
I must say that Miguel landed some vicious bombs on Margarito during this fight, the real deal and he took it like they were nothing. Certified granite chin.
I also agree with the comments regarding Cotto softening Margarito for Shane and Pac. Margarito was never the same after that fight, like someone else said "they beat each other's prime"!
Lastly, to close my comments Its my believe that Margarito cheated on this fight. I cant see how he cheats vs. Mosley and did not do so vs. Miguel.
Great thread and great comments!
good post,,,
i think neither guy was ever the same,,,,
I believe both, had either one fought Floyd that night, would have beat him. Cotto was fantastic early and had some really good hand speed. Tony was just relentless. ATG scrap. For the record, Cotto didn't quit. I feel he took a knee out of necessity to give him some time and his uncle threw in the towel.
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Just re-watched this today (probably should have done some uni work haha)
This is my original scorecard from an old scrapbook of mine. There's a couple rounds I would score differently now but it's good to look back:
Round 1: 10-9 Cotto, great movement, jabs and hooks
Round 2: 10-10, Margarito drags Cotto into a war and both men land big shots, can't split them
Round 3: 10-9 Cotto, business as usual, jab, hooks and movement
Round 4: 10-9 Cotto but Margarito is getting closer and landing great body shots
Round 5: 10-9 Cotto, doing a great job on the back foot, lands big left hooks
Round 6: 10-9 Cotto, so close could be a Margarito round but Cotto had the cleaner shots and the better defence. Made Margarito miss but Margarito worked his arse off.
Round 7: 10-9 Margarito, first round I scored for Margarito and what a BIG round, Cotto is hurt
Round 8: 10-9 Cotto, boxes beautifully but clear to see that Margarito is landing the more hurtful shots. Cotto gets the round due to more accurate punching.
Round 9: 10-9 Margarito, momentum has fully shifted and Cotto is looking like he wants to get out. Margarito takes some big shots to get in but he lands great uppercuts of his own.
Round 10: 10-9 Margarito, wins it in the last 20 seconds, big, BIG shots land and Cotto tries to hold. He looks ready to go.
Round 11: Just shocking, Cotto quit!
At the time, I had 6-3-1 for Cotto but now I would give the second round to Margarito, giving a more even looking card of 6-4 after 10.
And I don't think Cotto quit, that's unfair, I think he didn't have anything left.
I've watched it about 15 times since it happened. It's an amazing fight.
I don't know if Margarito cheated in that fight, If you're a Cotto fan or Margarito hater you'll say he did. If you're a Margarito fan or Cotto hater you'll say he didn't. He didn't get "caught" that fight so I'll say he didn't cheat. What I do find laughable is that people praise Mosley for beating Margarito because Margarito allegedly attempted to cheat but don't bring up Mosley's cheating past, and it's the same fans that say "once a cheat all of his wins come into question" Why doesn't that fight come into question though? an why do Cotto's fans support him?
Your argument is sound and valid and i would agree with it if it wasn't for the fact that in boxing you are guilty until proven innocent not the other way around. Just the doubt and the fact that it "looks" shady,and that he got caught one fight after is enough to crucify the guy in boxing, Everyone knows this. It ain't right but that's how it is.
I try not to reply to you because you usually troll, but this is a serious reply. I think he used simply because why would you need wraps for past prime Mosley (as he was viewed) but not undefeated prime Cotto? Not to mention Tony is usually a gym rat and for the first time in his career he was lazy, the bricks made him lazy I think. Cotto's faced never swelled up like that either, even in tough fights with Judah, Mosley and Torress. Still I can't prove Marg cheated just giving my opinion as to why.
The reason he was lazy is probably because he didn't want the Mosley fight and he needed more time off after the Cotto. Margarito was promised the Oscar fight but Oscar backed out. He was fat at the press conferences for the Mosley fight and clearly didn't make the weight well.
It's extremely arrogant of Cotto fans to think that just cos he may have tried to use them on Mosley, he would have had to have used them on Miguel. Margarito always had the beating of Cotto, he matched up well against him.
I've watched it about 15 times since it happened. It's an amazing fight.
I don't know if Margarito cheated in that fight, If you're a Cotto fan or Margarito hater you'll say he did. If you're a Margarito fan or Cotto hater you'll say he didn't. He didn't get "caught" that fight so I'll say he didn't cheat. What I do find laughable is that people praise Mosley for beating Margarito because Margarito allegedly attempted to cheat but don't bring up Mosley's cheating past, and it's the same fans that say "once a cheat all of his wins come into question" Why doesn't that fight come into question though? an why do Cotto's fans support him?
I try not to reply to you because you usually troll, but this is a serious reply. I think he used simply because why would you need wraps for past prime Mosley (as he was viewed) but not undefeated prime Cotto? Not to mention Tony is usually a gym rat and for the first time in his career he was lazy, the bricks made him lazy I think. Cotto's faced never swelled up like that either, even in tough fights with Judah, Mosley and Torress. Still I can't prove Marg cheated just giving my opinion as to why.
As for the Mosley fight there are different levels of cheating just like there is differenct levels of theft. Extra stamina and speed does help you beat down your opponent but that isn't a weapon. Steroids help but if I get pick between roids or brass knuckles in a street fight I know which one I'm taking.
I've watched it about 15 times since it happened. It's an amazing fight.
I don't know if Margarito cheated in that fight, If you're a Cotto fan or Margarito hater you'll say he did. If you're a Margarito fan or Cotto hater you'll say he didn't. He didn't get "caught" that fight so I'll say he didn't cheat. What I do find laughable is that people praise Mosley for beating Margarito because Margarito allegedly attempted to cheat but don't bring up Mosley's cheating past, and it's the same fans that say "once a cheat all of his wins come into question" Why doesn't that fight come into question though? an why do Cotto's fans support him?
Great thread and good discussion without las cucarachas.
When it comes to sports, and some what to life I was very, I mean overly sad at the end.
I must say that Miguel landed some vicious bombs on Margarito during this fight, the real deal and he took it like they were nothing. Certified granite chin.
I also agree with the comments regarding Cotto softening Margarito for Shane and Pac. Margarito was never the same after that fight, like someone else said "they beat each other's prime"!
Lastly, to close my comments Its my believe that Margarito cheated on this fight. I cant see how he cheats vs. Mosley and did not do so vs. Miguel.
Great thread and great comments!
good post,,,
i think neither guy was ever the same,,,,
Great thread and good discussion without las cucarachas.
When it comes to sports, and some what to life I was very, I mean overly sad at the end.
I must say that Miguel landed some vicious bombs on Margarito during this fight, the real deal and he took it like they were nothing. Certified granite chin.
I also agree with the comments regarding Cotto softening Margarito for Shane and Pac. Margarito was never the same after that fight, like someone else said "they beat each other's prime"!
Lastly, to close my comments Its my believe that Margarito cheated on this fight. I cant see how he cheats vs. Mosley and did not do so vs. Miguel.
Great thread and great comments!
This fight meant a lot because of the circumstances and implications. There were two top caliber fighters looking for welterweight supremacy. If you add the Puerto Rico-Mexico rivalry and the fact that both guys seemed like wrecking machines at the time, you knew you were about to get the type of fight that real men fight.
The fight, in terms of hype, would have to be behind Hearns-Leonard and Trinidad-De La Hoya, but the fight itself is up there with the former and vastly superior than the latter. Marquez-Pacquiao IV was an excellent fight, but both fighters were on a personal quest/revenge, in the sports sense, and the fight was not as significant to the division as this one.
In terms of pure boxing spectacle, the top 2 fights at welterweight have gotta be Hearns/Leonard and Cotto/Marg and yes I am taking into account Duran/Leonard 1, Robinson/Bell and Armstrong/Ross.
JMM/Pac 4 was great but there weren't the big stakes, personal revenge is never as big as legitimate titles and divisional supremacy.
OH hell no.....
fight 2 was great,,, fighting after the bell, fan-man,,, it was awesome..
3 had all the knockdowns,,,,
all were action-packed, maybe im biased but i love all those fights....:luvbed:
haha Holy/Bowe was one heck of a series, great first fight, revenge for Holy and then, the second best heavy since Holmes gets KOd...just unbelievable stuff throughout.
When that fight was singed I said Cotto has balls in fighting Margo, I didn't think that he could beat him. The first few rounds I was suprised to see him out box him and then Margo caught up to him. It was a good fight, I don't make a big deal about the knee because he came out one more round to try and couldn't continue. It was a very good fight and alongside with the controversy the second one sold well and rightfully so.
I don't think Margo had anything in his gloves, Cotto simply fought the wrong fight and got hit too much. Both guys left a lot in that ring that not and were never the same
First one was good. The others are overrated.
OH hell no.....
fight 2 was great,,, fighting after the bell, fan-man,,, it was awesome..
3 had all the knockdowns,,,,
all were action-packed, maybe im biased but i love all those fights....:luvbed:
GREAT FIGHT
Cotto piss poor stamina and poor defense against uppercuts cost him the fight
and fast forward today and he still has these flaws at best Cotto is a 9 round fighter against the best
"but but,THERE WAS A CRACK IN THE HANDWRAPS ".
Since the very next day, people were looking for excuses as to why Cotto lost. I remember at first they said it was steroids. Fact is, many people just didn't like Margarito. I can't blame them for their stupidity. Rational and logical thinkers know Tony broke Cotto down fairly. Cotto himself never made excuses about HANDWRAPS until some dumbass put a picture online of string stuck to Tonys fist.
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There's always an excuse for Cotto's defeats. The amount of revisionism that goes on when it comes to his career is incredible.
This fight was one of the most memorable ppv fights ever IMO... Too bad its shrouded in controversy because it was a great great fight, with a great ending..
best ppv fights over the last few decades
cotto-margs
oscar-vargas
bowe-holyfield 1,2,3
First one was good. The others are overrated.
"but but,THERE WAS A CRACK IN THE HANDWRAPS ".
Since the very next day, people were looking for excuses as to why Cotto lost. I remember at first they said it was steroids. Fact is, many people just didn't like Margarito. I can't blame them for their stupidity. Rational and logical thinkers know Tony broke Cotto down fairly. Cotto himself never made excuses about HANDWRAPS until some dumbass put a picture online of string stuck to Tonys fist.
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A person who got beat by plastered wraps wouldn't be boxing right now and beating up on guys like Rodriguez.
"but but,THERE WAS A CRACK IN THE HANDWRAPS ".
Since the very next day, people were looking for excuses as to why Cotto lost. I remember at first they said it was steroids. Fact is, many people just didn't like Margarito. I can't blame them for their stupidity. Rational and logical thinkers know Tony broke Cotto down fairly. Cotto himself never made excuses about HANDWRAPS until some dumbass put a picture online of string stuck to Tonys fist.
I remember that too! That was hilarious. I guess they finally have something to cling onto now.