Another Hauser Article about PED's

If you haven't yet, go look at the USADA and VADA websites. http://www.usada.org/ http://www.vada-testing.org/ Look at their about us, their history in testing, just browse both sites. Then make your own judgment about the respective agencies.

I think the judges and referees are a bigger problem in the sport than PED's. that being said, Thomas Hauser is clearly biased as of late and the proof is in his body of work. He admits to having no proof but nonetheless throws names out there. He immediately accused Marquez of juicing after that slumber party he threw for Pacquiao.

Hauser backs up his arguments with facts that either directly back up what he is saying or facts that can be used to infer what he is trying to prove. That's all he can do, his articles are far better than 90% of what's out there. Like I said either in this thread or another very similar to this, Floyd brought up the whole issue of more stringent PED testing in boxing and I totally agree with that. I have for quite some time. Yet it was Nonito Donaire a Top Rank promoted fighter who was the first to go down the route of 24/7/365 testing. He gets huge props for that. Floyd on the other hand has been speaking about the issue for a half decade or more and has accused fighters left right and center, yet he himself has never undergone what Donaire has. Floyd has said on countless occasions that he wants a clean sport and that he is willing to put stringent testing out there, who better, than the biggest star in the sport to undertake 24/7/365, what's stopping him? He says his clean, he says he wants to clear the sport of cheats, he says he is honest and hard working, what's stopping him? I give men like Donaire credit for fighting the best and beating them fair and square. Then why is that not a single main stream new agency will run with anything Hauser says , they dont even reference anything he says , why it that he only appears in blogs , I honestly dont think the guy has any creditability at all and Im sure Reuters would have sniffed out any truth in what he has to say , mainstream would be all over it if it could be substantiated . 365 days a year testing is waste of resources for fighters , a fighter trains very different than any other athlete , different in as much as cycling conditioning . A fighter will train to reach his peak in 8-12 wks , and then after competing backs training off to around 30 % , some even nearly stop , until he gets another fight then peaks again for the next fight . An Olympic athlete will compete in well planed cycles of stepped competition over 4 yrs with the aim of being at his peak during the Games , its the nature of knowing your competition dates so far in advance , and know the level of your comp , this is what opens the door to cycling peds and why Olympic sport needs all year testing . Boxing has a built in randomness to it , makes it very hard for a fighter to benefit from cycling PED use like an Olympic swimmer would , and boxing also has a weight limit they got to stay in and that makes it different to other sports also . The best gains for a fighter is while in training camp training at maximum , and If I were a fighter Id be happy just knowing that no peds were used in camp , the OST testing the way fighters have been doing it in boxing over the last few years Id be very happy with that . PEDS are not very useful if your not training at maximum .

Another forced homo-erotic term to describe fans who you don't agree with. Not all fans are extreme or unreasonable. You're no better than the fans that you're whining about. Haters are "nuthuggers" too. You trying to paint anyone who doesn't agree with Hauser and his biased "reporting" is definitely hateful. Hauser backs up his arguments with facts that either directly back up what he is saying or facts that can be used to infer what he is trying to prove. That's all he can do, his articles are far better than 90% of what's out there. Like I said either in this thread or another very similar to this, Floyd brought up the whole issue of more stringent PED testing in boxing and I totally agree with that. I have for quite some time. Yet it was Nonito Donaire a Top Rank promoted fighter who was the first to go down the route of 24/7/365 testing. He gets huge props for that. Floyd on the other hand has been speaking about the issue for a half decade or more and has accused fighters left right and center, yet he himself has never undergone what Donaire has. Floyd has said on countless occasions that he wants a clean sport and that he is willing to put stringent testing out there, who better, than the biggest star in the sport to undertake 24/7/365, what's stopping him? He says his clean, he says he wants to clear the sport of cheats, he says he is honest and hard working, what's stopping him? I give men like Donaire credit for fighting the best and beating them fair and square.

What I got from that article was Haymon fighters are avoiding VADA, and USADA, which Haymon/GBP and Mayweather prefer, can't be trusted. :unitedsta

what i got about that article is that Pacquiao is the poor victim of cheaters. All his rivals are cheaters. Lampley, Pac, and Hauser are the saviors

Easy tiger,,, didnt mean to make you mad,,,, I just think the entire industry of boxing is shady,,,, and yes they have 97k samples in their existance,, yet they throw away ones before the fight even happens in some cases,,,, I dont care about tyson's sample from 16 years ago, im talking about recent ones like winky-quillen and the tests were destroyed in less than a month... If you think doping agencys are above suspicion, than more power to you,,, for me, i think everything involved in boxing is shady, from the managers, strenght coaches, promoters, judges, refs, athletic commissions, fighters, sanctioning bodies,,, etc,, nearly every aspect of the sport is corrupt in one form or another,,, not saying everyone, but the vast majority is very shady,,, I honestly could care less if these guys dope or not, because the powers that be dont seem to care either,,,, as for the hatton comment,,, I said it was close, but gave manny the edge because manny fought hatton at his best weight, whereas floyd fought hatton at a weight were hatton was crap at and is 0-3 at except for a shady scoring in the collazo fight,,, Floyd beat hatton fair and square and a great performance by floyd, but hatton was not as good at welter as he was a jr welter and that is a fact, and manny blew him out in 2.... I could agree with you if hatton was damaged goods but he wasnt,,, he came back and beat down pauli, which is a very hard task to do.. Yes hatton was stopped by floyd, but it wasnt a brutal beatdown like what tito did to joppy,, it was a great win, but hatton could recover from, much like how MAB got stopped by junior jones, but he still went on to become a great champ,,, same thing with hatton, he got beat by floyd at a higher weight but wasnt a career ruining beatdown, as hatton went back down and had some quality wins,,, and then manny ran thru him....om So i lean towards manny fighting a better version of hatton simply because he fought him at a weight where hatton was kingpin and floyd fought hatton at a weight where he was 0-3 or at best 1-2 with 2 ko losses I don't think you're aware of this, but it's not a fact that USADA threw away any samples. The information based on that is hearsay. No reporter has yet to ask USADA specifically about it either.

How is that a good post. From looking at their own numbers USADA conducts about 8500 tests per year on average. http://www.usada.org/testing-statistics By their numbers they've conducted 97,156 tests of athletes in their existence. Apparently you and CGarcia think it is both a realistic and affordable option for them to house nearly 100,000 vials of blood and jugs of piss indefinitely because some anonymous person may or may not have told Gabe Montoya that Floyd tested positive. It is really quite a naive position to have. I thought you were a reasonable poster, but this combined with you thinking Pac faced a better Hatton than Floyd really shows your true colors. Easy tiger,,, didnt mean to make you mad,,,, I just think the entire industry of boxing is shady,,,, and yes they have 97k samples in their existance,, yet they throw away ones before the fight even happens in some cases,,,, I dont care about tyson's sample from 16 years ago, im talking about recent ones like winky-quillen and the tests were destroyed in less than a month... If you think doping agencys are above suspicion, than more power to you,,, for me, i think everything involved in boxing is shady, from the managers, strenght coaches, promoters, judges, refs, athletic commissions, fighters, sanctioning bodies,,, etc,, nearly every aspect of the sport is corrupt in one form or another,,, not saying everyone, but the vast majority is very shady,,, I honestly could care less if these guys dope or not, because the powers that be dont seem to care either,,,, as for the hatton comment,,, I said it was close, but gave manny the edge because manny fought hatton at his best weight, whereas floyd fought hatton at a weight were hatton was crap at and is 0-3 at except for a shady scoring in the collazo fight,,, Floyd beat hatton fair and square and a great performance by floyd, but hatton was not as good at welter as he was a jr welter and that is a fact, and manny blew him out in 2.... I could agree with you if hatton was damaged goods but he wasnt,,, he came back and beat down pauli, which is a very hard task to do.. Yes hatton was stopped by floyd, but it wasnt a brutal beatdown like what tito did to joppy,, it was a great win, but hatton could recover from, much like how MAB got stopped by junior jones, but he still went on to become a great champ,,, same thing with hatton, he got beat by floyd at a higher weight but wasnt a career ruining beatdown, as hatton went back down and had some quality wins,,, and then manny ran thru him.... So i lean towards manny fighting a better version of hatton simply because he fought him at a weight where hatton was kingpin and floyd fought hatton at a weight where he was 0-3 or at best 1-2 with 2 ko losses

hauser keeps hurting em floyd fanboys feelings:afro: Truth hurts when it involves their hero. Hehe...

I'm not anti-Floyd, I just dislike the nuthuggery that goes to extremes, whether it be for Floyd, Matthysse, Manny a few years back or any other fighter. As I always say, be a fight fan, not a fighter fan.Another forced homo-erotic term to describe fans who you don't agree with. Not all fans are extreme or unreasonable. You're no better than the fans that you're whining about. Haters are "nuthuggers" too. You trying to paint anyone who doesn't agree with Hauser and his biased "reporting" is definitely hateful.

Why are you anti-Mayweather posters so homo-erotic? 99% of the posts from your ilk include some type of unnecessary homosexual reference. It's suspect to say the least. I'm not anti-Floyd, I just dislike the nuthuggery that goes to extremes, whether it be for Floyd, Matthysse, Manny a few years back or any other fighter. As I always say, be a fight fan, not a fighter fan.

I was inexplicably forgetting about McIlvanney. Thanks for the correction. Jesting aside, I've always had a lot ot respect for Hauser. His articles lately have got me genuinely perplexed. In particular the way in which other journalists aren't really backing him up. It's all very tentative. Clearly, they either feel that what he's doing amounts to journalistic impropriety, and they're distancing themselves from that or he's out there on his own with his balls out and they're not willing to follow. Either way, the stand that he's taking is going to become a defining moment in his career. I hope that he's right.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWAM2DqCQAA70ho.jpg I was inexplicably forgetting about McIlvanney. Thanks for the correction.

great post,,, green k to you my friendHow is that a good post. From looking at their own numbers USADA conducts about 8500 tests per year on average. http://www.usada.org/testing-statistics By their numbers they've conducted 97,156 tests of athletes in their existence. Apparently you and CGarcia think it is both a realistic and affordable option for them to house nearly 100,000 vials of blood and jugs of piss indefinitely because some anonymous person may or may not have told Gabe Montoya that Floyd tested positive. It is really quite a naive position to have. I thought you were a reasonable poster, but this combined with you thinking Pac faced a better Hatton than Floyd really shows your true colors.

well that goes to peterson...he had the choice to inform golden boy right away but didn't...instead he decided to have his B sample tested and when that also came out positive then VADA informed everyone.. Even VADA doesn't believe what you just said, placing the blame only on Peterson. VADA blames themselves for the mistake, and this is evident by their quick change in policy afterwards. They saw the mistakes through the Peterson scandal and make adjustments. VADA no longer makes the fatal mistake of waiting to tell the Commission and Promoters the results of the A samples, nor do they leave the informing in the hands of the fighters anymore. No one is flawless. But through mistakes, you can certainly get close.

Reading these Flowmo comments, how they already accuse Pacman of being guilty and taking steroids makes me wonder if we live in a justice system? these are lynch mobbers, Pacman is innocent, Floyd is innocent, innocent until proven guilty. Stop with that BS that you are 100 percent sure and know for a fact Pac was on the juice and use stupid ass reaching theories like James toney took peds and he was with roach, or Ariza, or Pacs head grew, all this stupid stuff, the only reason you think he was on peds is because the man you want to sucks off said so. The reason JMM is being highly suspect is because unlike Pacquiao who just tried to negotiate a cut off date years ago but later agreed to test is because he hired memo herediez a chemist cheat snitch, his body changed in the pac 3 and 4 fights, he was huge and than later ripped and strong in the 4th at the age of 39 when men test levels drop big time, compared to how he looked against Floyd, and his hesitance to taking vada testing with Bradley and demanding a hydration clause. Anything floyd says or does they follow, floyd said he wants to clean up boxing, floyd fans follow suit. Yet they only attack pacman, they never say anything against TMT fighters testing dirty while training in Mayweathers Gym.

Hauser is by far the best boxing writer today although he is unduly harsh on Mayweather. I personally think there is a strong likelihood that either a large minority or a majority of all the top fighters today have doped at some point in their careers. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWAM2DqCQAA70ho.jpg

hauser keeps hurting em floyd fanboys feelings:afro:

There's a lot of Hauser hate here, especially amongst those who want some weird sex orgy with Floyd/Ellerbe/Haymon and GBP. But let us put things into perspective, Nonito Donaire, one of the best fighters on the planet, extremely fast, extremely skilled and with serious one punch KO power rarely seen in the lower divisions since Naz has gone on record to do 24/7/365 testing. He is the only true p4p fighter to have done this. Floyd Mayweather, almost a half decade ago, demanded that boxing have stricter PED testing, I for one, was all for him saying that. He wanted it and in him wanting (being the biggest star in the sport) it meant that boxing may just listen. But what has Floyd done but talk? Testing in the Ortiz fight was lax to say the least. He himself has a cloud of controversy surrounding positive results, and trust me, if Hauser was lible for defamation, Floyd and his team would have taken him to court. So there's something fishy there. BUT, if Floyd really wanted big bad OSDT, being the first boxer to speak in favour of it, why has he never submitted himself to the type of testing Nonito has? People claim there is some TR conspiracy surrounding PEDs...Nonito is a TR fighter. If Floyd truly wants a cleaner sport, it would benefit the sport he claims to be the best at, if he underwent 24/7/365 testing, especially since he tried to impose something similar on his greatest rival. That's all that needs to be said on the matter. Testing for the Ortiz fight was the same as Cotto, Mosley, Canelo, etc. Doing 24/7 is foolish unless all your potential opponents are doing the same. The point of testing seems to escape the minds of most on the forum. The purpose of it is not so a fighter can prove something. The purpose is to protect the health of fighters against one another. So it is useless for one fighter to do 24/7 testing while his opponent is not doing the same. It makes no sense for one fighter to take VADA testing, and his opponent is doing NSAC testing (this is happening with Alvarado not doing VADA, while Provodnikov does it). So Alvarado is protected, but provodnikov is not protected! How foolish!

PED's are always ahead of the game and on top of that I bet certain testing agencies are in on it to.