Round 1: 15 clinches, 1 throwdown Wlad 10-9
Summary: BOTH guys responsible for the clinching. Povetkin rushes in and immediately wraps his left arm around Wlad, allowing Wlad to pin it with his arm. Povetkin seems to WANT to clinch and Wlad obliges him
Round 2: 10 clinches
Summary: Povetkin initiating most of the clinches to my eyes. Povetkin landed some good shots. Winning the round but then gets knocked down like an idiot off a short hook. 10-8 round for Wlad.
Round 3: 10 clinches.
Summary: Hard round to score neither did much and there was probably more clinches than power punches thrown so I give it to Povetkin based on sheer aggression since Wlad was running and Povetkin was actually pursuing/throwing. 10-9 to povetkin (29-26 Wlad)
Round 4: 14 clinches
Summary: Incredibly the round opens with a clinch before the sound of the opening bell even dies down. And ironically the round final bell rings with both fighters in a clinch. Almost nothing happened this round at all and it's impossible to score. Only thing I know is Povetkin's aggression was utterly ineffective and Wlad at least landed some good jabs so I'm forced to give it to Wlad as much as I don't want to. 10-9 Wlad (39-35 Wlad)
Round 5: 16 clinches. Record breaking clinch round.
Summary: Wlad lands the much harder shots as usual and Povetkin's aggression is mostly ineffective as he gets on the inside and does absolutely nothing and seems to WANT to clinch out of fear for his own safety.
Not enough people giving Wlad credit for his punch slipping abilities here. He's looking like Mayweather at times dodging Povetkin's looping shots. 10-9 Wlad (49-44)
Round 6: 15 clinches
Summary: Wlad employing the check hook here and actually makes several attempts to GET AWAY from Povetkin's clinching by jumping back and hooking but Povetkin still continues to do more than his share in chasing down Wlad and initiating the clinch by immediately wrapping his left arm around Wlad's torso. Wlad lands some nice hooks here and Povetkin once again is completely ineffective. I see very little of the "uncomfortableness" people claimed they saw in Wlad, to me he's calmly dominating the ineffective one dimensional attack of Povetkin. 10-9 Wlad (59-53)
Round 7: 12 clinches.
Summary: Wlad lands some rocking shots but then throws Povetkin on the floor. Hard to say if this is a legit knockdown without seeing slowmo replay. Again Wlad rocks him with extremely hard shots. Wlad very aggressively mauling Povetkin and seems to LEGITLY knock him down this 2nd time as Povetkin was being clearly hurt from what I saw. Klitschko showing great inside fighting abilities for a few bursts where he throws crazy uppercuts (first time in my life seeing him throw some??). Another knockdown....hard to say again...hurting, rocking shots landed BUT the fall is from an elbow strike to the face. Actually exciting round, didn't even notice the clinches. Wlad was extremely superior here. 3 round downs, I guess that's a 10-6 for Wlad (69-59)
Round 8: 17 clinches. Record breaking clinch round.
Summary: Klitschko seemed to punch himself out last round as he's taking this one off and Povetkin showing urgency and good aggression. Klitschko did nothing this round and Povetkin's aggression was mostly ineffective other than in landing clinches but he still did a little more. 10-9 Povetkin. (78-69)
Round 9: 14 clinches.
Summary: Wlad seems to stun him with a shot then pushes him down. Not counted a knockdown although ironically I thought THIS one could have been a knockdown at least more so than some of the others. Wlad lands good head snapping jabs and one or two crisp left hooks here. Povetkin wildly misses a bunch of hooks. Definitely clear Wlad round. 10-9 (88-78)
Round 10: 17 clinches. Record tying clinch round although the last clinch may have been after the bell so not sure if it counts.
Summary: Wlad bouncing like Ali and landing headsnapping labs. Povetkin chasing him around the ring ineffectively. Wlad catching the much shorter Povetkin's hooks on his shoulders. Wlad showing great stamina to me, still bouncing and throwing and not breathing heavy. Hard round to score as both were effective in spots but Wlad landed the much cleaner jabs, I don't give pity rounds just because the weaker opponent "tried" but was still outdone. 10-9 Wlad (98-87)
Round 11: 15 clinches. ANOTHER clinch after the bell. These guys have such love for clinching tonight they even decide to embrace after the bell rings.
Summary: Klitschko with one great combo and then a push/elbow combo that knockdown and hurt Povetkin. This was the point deducting combo. Povetkin was aggressive this round but still simply did not do much because he can't land anything on Wlad. 10-9 Wlad (108-96)
Round 12: 18 clinches. Another clinch after the bell. Record breaking clinch round it's only fitting they break the clinch record on the very final round of the fight.
Summary: Not much effective action. Wlad hip tosses Povetkin into the ropes and on the floor again. No one was really effective. Povetkin threw more and showed more aggression but was extremely ineffective and was not the 'ring general' although maybe I'll give this round to him since I don't think Wlad did anything at all either. 10-9 Povetkin. (117-106 final) score.
Final score: 117-106 Klitschko
Total Hugstat numbers: 173 clinches. This averages to 14.42 clinches a round or 1 clinch every 12.5 seconds on average.
Final thoughts: Contrary to some peoples' beliefs. I did not believe this fight was that bad. It was mildly exciting and somewhat somewhat entertaining at times. I have seen far worse, and the clinches were not the most annoying type because they were clean and broken up quickly. Wlad showed tremendous athleticism to me and was at no point "bothered" by Povetkin or "uncomfortable" as some lesser informed posters seemed to imply.
To me Wlad seemed very comfortable, handled Povetkin easily and most of the clinches were mutually initiated by Povetkin. Wlad showed great stamina to me here and was at no time in the fight "gassed" like some members were saying ("He's tiring himself out just from the clinches!").
I seem to have a contrary view to a lot of people but I think many people here do not know much about boxing. This fight was no where near as bad as some claim, like I said it was a mildly entertaining and somewhat exciting to watch due to the fact that 2 very technically proficient tacticians were battling it out for supremacy. I wasn't a great fight but it was not even close to the worst I've seen.
Haye out landed Wlad's in the power punch stats
Wlad outlanded Haye with the jab
Haye and Wlad fight was very close each round, Wlads jab was what pipped him to the post
Pov was truly dominated and his face tells the story, Hayes face was still as handsom as ever and the mere fact he wasnt laid out on the floor and even managed to rattle Wlad in the 11th.
With Haye he was always in the fight with a chance to cause an upset whereas Pov by round 5 we knew it was over
Wlad excessively leaned and clinched in the Haye fight, but he did it even more so in the Pov fight, and also the fact he threw in 2 elbows, which did a lot of damage to Pov
Haye was never gassed like Pov and he figured a way out to counter the leaning by falling to his knee's thus conserving his energy- but that cost him points with the biased paid for Klit ref
However just like Pov, he couldn't figure out how to get past the clinching
Don't try to obfuscate the reality when Haye landed a couple more power punches but Wlad outlanded TWICE more punches total than Haye
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:1591605
Funny stuff! *****ko sisters fans always try to blame Haye. Each time when people start saying that Wlad's fights mostly are boring! *****ko supporters start shouting that Haye is more boring )))
That's funny because the clinches didn't seem to slow down his output at all in comparison to at least the David Haye fight (his other "dangerous" recent fight). He landed almost an IDENTICAL number of punches on Povetkin and Haye. And yet Povetkin and Haye landed a very similar punch output on Wlad as well which was about HALF of Wlad's landed punches. So he dominated them in a similar manner
Haye out landed Wlad's in the power punch stats
Wlad outlanded Haye with the jab
Haye and Wlad fight was very close each round, Wlads jab was what pipped him to the post
Pov was truly dominated and his face tells the story, Hayes face was still as handsom as ever and the mere fact he wasnt laid out on the floor and even managed to rattle Wlad in the 11th.
With Haye he was always in the fight with a chance to cause an upset whereas Pov by round 5 we knew it was over
Wlad excessively leaned and clinched in the Haye fight, but he did it even more so in the Pov fight, and also the fact he threw in 2 elbows, which did a lot of damage to Pov
Haye was never gassed like Pov and he figured a way out to counter the leaning by falling to his knee's thus conserving his energy- but that cost him points with the biased paid for Klit ref
However just like Pov, he couldn't figure out how to get past the clinching
Indeed
TS needs to get his eyes tested
Wlad clinched his way through the fight 183 times
That's funny because the clinches didn't seem to slow down his output at all in comparison to at least the David Haye fight (his other "dangerous" recent fight). He landed almost an IDENTICAL number of punches on Povetkin and Haye. And yet Povetkin and Haye landed a very similar punch output on Wlad as well which was about HALF of Wlad's landed punches. So he dominated them in a similar manner
Do you have any idea how silly you all sound?
Your comparing other crappy performance to try and salvage another Wlad dumper!!!
Get over it you saw it, it stunk and its done!! Move on and before you know (hopefully) Wlad his brothers Vital and Herman along with B-hip hop and Sergio (the actor) and lil' Floyd from the hood (via his manson in Vegas) will ALL be gone!!!!! :popcorn::popcorn::slap: can't wait, just think some of these retarted fans will be GONE TOO!!!! :wave: see ya.....Ray hahahaha
thank you for your valuable input
Do you have any idea how silly you all sound?
Your comparing other crappy performance to try and salvage another Wlad dumper!!!
Get over it you saw it, it stunk and its done!! Move on and before you know (hopefully) Wlad his brothers Vital and Herman along with B-hip hop and Sergio (the actor) and lil' Floyd from the hood (via his manson in Vegas) will ALL be gone!!!!! :popcorn::popcorn::slap: can't wait, just think some of these retarted fans will be GONE TOO!!!! :wave: see ya.....Ray hahahaha
Just a regular Klitschko fanatic then...
There were times Klitschko was virtually jumping on him and hugging him with his big orangutang arms before Povetkin would try to punch, he'd then follow it up by pushing down on his neck. It must have excited you a lot.
Indeed
TS needs to get his eyes tested
Wlad clinched his way through the fight 183 times
The usual Clinchko brigade in here defending the indefensible per usual
No, it wasn't.
And even though Haye blew his shot at Wlad, their fight was still not as bad and Haye did significantly better than Povetkin.
With that being said, I'm not quite sure why you brought up Haye.
Haye didn't do better than Povetkin, but he was "injured" after all so I let his performance slide :rofl:
No, it wasn't.
And even though Haye blew his shot at Wlad, their fight was still not as bad and Haye did significantly better than Povetkin.
With that being said, I'm not quite sure why you brought up Haye.
It was an awful fight, but Haye-Valuev was worse that this.
Some very very good points.
Many people in here were so quick to jump on Wlad even during the fight after 2-3 rounds.
Povetkin indeed caused a LOT of those clinches. It's just an ugly match-up.
Give Wlad some taller guys like Wach was and you'll see if he depends on clinch and lean.
It certainly was a much better fight than several of Haye's fights including the one vs. Valuev
No, it wasn't.
And even though Haye blew his shot at Wlad, their fight was still not as bad and Haye did significantly better than Povetkin.
With that being said, I'm not quite sure why you brought up Haye.
I've been down this road already, I questioned whether I was being harsh on Klitschko during the fight and watched to see who was initiating. Sure enough Wlad came up with three more clinches in quick succession. It was clear.
You're free to argue otherwise, I don't always go with the majority either but people know what they saw. Povetkin came to fight, Klitschko came to spoil illegally.
All I'm saying is that my take is a neutral one, I'm neither in Klitschko's camp nor Povetkin's unlike most biased posters who are huge supporters of one or the other. I tried to watch the fight just to see the hype everyone was talking about and to me it was no where near as bad as everyone thought. In fact if no one told me any different, to me it would have looked like an ordinary Wlad fight.
The thing that surprised me most was not all the clinching hoopla, it was that I saw many posters in the RbR commenting on how "exhausted" Klitschko was and how utterly puzzled/lost he looked at times. This proved to me that many people here don't watch boxing and have never seen many Klitschko fights because he looked just as he always does to me, mostly assured of himself and in control of the pace of the fight the entire time. He did not strike me as being tired whatsoever in fact I was impressed by his energy level as he began to bounce around in the late rounds like Ali.
Yes there were times that happened, but that's not the majority. The majority of times they were mutually initiating or Povetkin was leading the initiation.
I've been down this road already, I questioned whether I was being harsh on Klitschko during the fight and watched to see who was initiating. Sure enough Wlad came up with three more clinches in quick succession. It was clear he was fighting to the gameplan.
You're free to argue otherwise, I don't always go with the majority either but imo people know what they saw on this one. Povetkin came to fight, Klitschko came to spoil illegally. The Ukrainian ruined the bout.
Just a regular Klitschko fanatic then...
There were times Klitschko was virtually jumping on him and hugging him with his big orangutang arms before Povetkin would try to punch, he'd then follow it up by pushing down on his neck. It must have excited you a lot.
Yes there were times that happened, but that's not the majority. The majority of times they were mutually initiating or Povetkin was leading the initiation.
Because there are many top boxing experts here as well, you don't seem to be one of them if you hold that opinion. But that's neither here nor there. Point is it is not universal and not everyone thought the fight was as bad as some people claim and I'm not even a Klittard or big Klitschko fanatic. I just say what I see, and from what I saw, this fight was much better than many other types of fights I've seen such as from Hopkins etc.
I don't see how Pabon could have penalized Klitschko because like I said to me he was not initiating most of the clinches, merely accepting of a mutual clinch from a clash of styles where Povetkin would barrel into him with open arms and not do anything once inside other than wrap his arm around Wlad.
Just a regular Klitschko fanatic then...
There were times Klitschko was virtually jumping on him and hugging him with his big orangutang arms before Povetkin would try to punch, he'd then follow it up by pushing down on his neck. It must have excited you a lot.
So why come here?
As an aside, I didn't see Povetkin initiate many clinches. I saw him accept a lot of them because he was tired from getting leaned on and thrown around, but it was almost always Klitschko initiating the clinch with Pabon watching on gormlessly.
Because there are many top boxing experts here as well, you don't seem to be one of them if you hold that opinion. But that's neither here nor there. Point is it is not universal and not everyone thought the fight was as bad as some people claim and I'm not even a Klittard or big Klitschko fanatic. I just say what I see, and from what I saw, this fight was much better than many other types of fights I've seen such as from Hopkins etc.
I don't see how Pabon could have penalized Klitschko because like I said to me he was not initiating most of the clinches, merely accepting of a mutual clinch from a clash of styles where Povetkin would barrel into him with open arms and not do anything once inside other than wrap his arm around Wlad.