Froch has a BIG Shot at greatness

Holyfield, Lewis both are HOF'ers There isnt a single person Froch has beat who will even get that status..............Hell he wont even get that status! you might not like it but Froch will definitely be HOF

Holyfield, Lewis both are HOF'ers There isnt a single person Froch has beat who will even get that status..............Hell he wont even get that status!

Come on dude..............really? :alcoholic well technically speaking, froch has beaten more top guys, nearer to their peaks or at peak, than Tyson ever did in his run as champion. Having said that, Tyson destroyed his opponents, he made them wet themselves before the fight even began. AND he had a decent run as champ second time round but never managed to beat the best of the 90s in Lewis and Holy, even though both were past their bests when they met Tyson. I can't rank Froch above Tyson but I can understand what the other poster is saying.

froch has a better record and resume than tyson Come on dude..............really? :alcoholic

I cant believe someone actually mentioned Froch in the same post as Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Tyson and Holyfield.............Thats funny! froch has a better record and resume than tyson

Very true, Froch has often spoken about feeling comfortable at 168. But as I said in my original post, Froch has the opportunity here, does Hearn to create something truly great. Whether or not they take this opportunity is up to them. Interesting you mentioned going down. A 160 run against Martinez and then Golovkin/Quillin? I think he said something about meeting Martinez at a catchweight. I doubt he could make 160 now but 164 or 165 he might. I would rather him go up to 175 myself. He's better than the majority of fighters there IMO.

I cant believe someone actually mentioned Froch in the same post as Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Tyson and Holyfield.............Thats funny!

It's not how many he wins either, it's who he beat. Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham, Johnson and Bute with a few other lesser wins like Magee, Reid and Mack. I wouldn't go talking up Guerrero either, his best win at WW was Andre Berto and the Canelo fight was a 23 year old at a catchweight who had just one good win over Trout. If Froch is a B level fighter, why is he on most pound for pound lists? He's No.5 on this very site. Like I said, if you're not in the ring with him you're not really qualified to assess his level of skill, look at the comments of those opponents that were. Didn't you say only people with agenda's bring up weight? :lol1:

I wouldn't have him beating any of the guys you've mentioned. Maybe Stevenson if he boxes clever.

It depends what is meant by 'great' I suppose? An ATG - no never, well, not without a ridiculously improbable series of victories including a top HW. A 'great' for fighting and beating almost everyone at the top of his division? And defeating as you suggest, the recently crowned and relatively unproven LHW champ? No. That is not enough. Surely you can see that it's a flash in the pan in terms of boxing history or the even the Era. Carl Froch fights as one of the lightest guys in his division. Through (apparently) sheer guts and determination, he wins fight after fight against the odds. When he appears about to lose, he grits his teeth and just goes on fighting 'til he wins. He is one of my favourite fighters and without a doubt has a 'great' heart dare I say say it, possibly an 'ATG' Heart. In terms of achievement, however, Froch is likely to be forgotten within a coupla years of retirement. Sad, but realistic.

I think Froch will never get the credit he deserves.

Overrated. By euro standards he's already an "ATG"

That hasn't applied to ther great fighters in the past, why should it apply to Froch? Hagler never beat Leonard, neither did Benitez or Hearns. Tyson didn't beat Lewis or Holy and so on and so forth. But even if Froch doesn't avenge his loss to Ward, if he goes out of his way to fight top light heavies, wins and becomes lineal champ, he'd have achieved greatness. He'd have beaten almost all the relevant names in 2 weight divisions, that's a rarity in boxing. That's a good point, but from what Froch has indicated he's not going to move up and that only really leaves Ward as the man to beat. I agree with you though, if he does move up and takes out a couple of names then he's right up there.

I don't know. Froch is ok. Potential great? That's tough for me to agree with. I don't think Froch will ever beat Ward and I whole heartedly believe that he lost to Dirrell. Beating Stevenson wouldn't mean much but it would be a good fight. All punch stats, press row and top pudits had froch winning that fight..including me who was there live and I scored froch 4 rounds up. So no one cares what some no mark from the hell hole from Chicago thinks on a fight hes probably never watched and every top pundit disagreed with...

I just don't see Froch moving up. He's been very vocal about being against moving up. He said he'd rather go down than up. I think he walks around and comes to the ring at about 170-172 lbs. Very true, Froch has often spoken about feeling comfortable at 168. But as I said in my original post, Froch has the opportunity here, does Hearn to create something truly great. Whether or not they take this opportunity is up to them. Interesting you mentioned going down. A 160 run against Martinez and then Golovkin/Quillin?

That hasn't applied to ther great fighters in the past, why should it apply to Froch? Hagler never beat Leonard, neither did Benitez or Hearns. Tyson didn't beat Lewis or Holy and so on and so forth. But even if Froch doesn't avenge his loss to Ward, if he goes out of his way to fight top light heavies, wins and becomes lineal champ, he'd have achieved greatness. He'd have beaten almost all the relevant names in 2 weight divisions, that's a rarity in boxing. I just don't see Froch moving up. He's been very vocal about being against moving up. He said he'd rather go down than up. I think he walks around and comes to the ring at about 170-172 lbs.

I'm a big fan of Froch also. I think where he stands in boxing comes down to whether he can avenge the Ward loss. He has already evened the score with Kessler, and he now wants the Ward fight in England. Ward doesn't seem to fancy the job for whatever reason. That hasn't applied to ther great fighters in the past, why should it apply to Froch? Hagler never beat Leonard, neither did Benitez or Hearns. Tyson didn't beat Lewis or Holy and so on and so forth. But even if Froch doesn't avenge his loss to Ward, if he goes out of his way to fight top light heavies, wins and becomes lineal champ, he'd have achieved greatness. He'd have beaten almost all the relevant names in 2 weight divisions, that's a rarity in boxing.

It's not how many he wins either, it's who he beat. Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham, Johnson and Bute with a few other lesser wins like Magee, Reid and Mack. I wouldn't go talking up Guerrero either, his best win at WW was Andre Berto and the Canelo fight was a 23 year old at a catchweight who had just one good win over Trout. If Froch is a B level fighter, why is he on most pound for pound lists? He's No.5 on this very site. Like I said, if you're not in the ring with him you're not really qualified to assess his level of skill, look at the comments of those opponents that were. Why is he in the top 5? I will tell you why the Boxing depth is pretty shallow! I dont dis agree that his in the top 10 P4P right now................but in the big scheme of things does that truly make him great..............I think not. Your list of his notable wins makes me laugh! How many of those wins did he dominate his Foe? I mean truly dominate them? He does not adapt all that well either, he got his pummeled by Ward, Schooled, ***** slapped! when ever he faces a top level guy it will happen over and over again! Thats what happens to B level fighters, they just cant get over the top tier guys. I am not damning him hell I thing for the skill set he has he has done a damn good job,Using great in the sentence is crazy wrong................there is NOTHING Great about Froch!!! Nothing!

I don't know about the greatness but I would really like to see him fight golovkin. Not because golovkin is the big name right now, but because of the nature of the fight. If Ali beat Friezer without any drama he would get less credit for that IMO.

I'm a big fan of Froch also. I think where he stands in boxing comes down to whether he can avenge the Ward loss. He has already evened the score with Kessler, and he now wants the Ward fight in England. Ward doesn't seem to fancy the job for whatever reason.