Top 10 fighters for each country

Holing an ABC title does not guarantee a top 10 spot accept by that org. No, I do agree, and am unsure of whether Shumenov still belongs in the LHW top ten, but Golovkin surely does at MW? I would say you've done enough number crunching, but if I can be bothered I'll try to list the TBRB - top tens. Though: no P4P, and I'm not sure whether to count fighters more than once if they rank in more than one division.

The original thread wasn't created to show America's superiority, it was created to show that boxing wasn't dead in the US in response to all the threads being created saying it was. This was just a follow up thread to show increases and decreases in numbers compared to last year. Personally I don't care where a fighter is from if I find him entertaining. So it doesn't matter to me if the US is first or last....just give me good fights! I agree with that, I was just highlighting the fact that your stats are highly misleading, that's all.

The US has the largest number of fighters in the top? 34? I'm not surprised, the US is the biggest market for the sport and its media. Guys like Broner get ranked as top without hesitation. It's happened time and time again. Bradley was a p4p guy when he didn't deserve to be. I'm not saying US boxing is rubbish, historically, in the pro ranks, it's always been the best but this list isn't the best way to determine which country is the best in the sport. It just doesn't work out proportionately. Add to that the previously mentioned media factor and you have an unfair advantage in terms of rankings. If you look at various weight divisions independently, you can see that the US doesn't dominate from top to bottom like it once did. Heavyweights: The best are two Ukrainian fighters boxing mainly in Germany. The other top guys are Povetkin, Pulev, Haye and Fury. Below that you have a spattering of Americans but none have been convincing and some have falters on the biggest stage. Cruiserweight: The Ring has Hernandez as champion, he is German/Cuban...none of the other champions are American. Light-Heavyweight: The main man is Stevenson, who is Canadian, only Hopkins is an American champ at the weight but he is holding the IBF, which is mainly regarded as inferior to the WBA and WBC. Kov is the most dangerous fighter in the division and the WBO champ. If you look at individual association rankings, only Americans in the top 10 are Dawson and Cloud. Super-Middleweight: one of the better divisions for the US, with the main man being Ward but after that, it's almost entirely European, all the other titlists and divisionally ranked boxers. Middleweight: The main man is an Argentine and arguably the least accomplished of the champions is Quillin and he is the only American with a belt. There are 2-3 Brits in the top 10 and maybe 2-3 Americans in the whole top 20, depending on governing body. The main man behind Martinez at the moment is GGG who is Kazakh and the other champ is Barker, British. Light-Middleweight: Mayweather has the WBC/WBA belts and is the leading man, the only other titlist is Molina for the IBF if I'm not mistaken. The WBO title is officially vacant. Again there are a spattering of US names in the lower half of the top 20, apart from Trout, other than that most of the fighters are latino. Welterweight: This is easily the best division for the US, with Floyd as champ and Bradley, Broner and Devon as Titlists. Light-Welterweight: Garcia is champ, again a decent division for the Americans but below Garcia you have guys like Matthysse, Kim, Khan and so on, a good mix of latinos and Europeans. Lightweight: Vacant Ring champ but no American titlist, unless you count Broner who hasn't been active there for quite a while. Again lookin at the top 10 or 20 you have a tonne of latino names, a few Europeans and very few Americans. Burns is arguably the man in the division and he's british. Super-Featherweight: Not a single American champion, some good Jap names and again Latin America has a hold here. Featherweight: Mikey is supposedly the Ring champ but he doesn't hold any of the titles, all titlists are non-American, one Asian, one European, one from Mexico and the other from the Caribbean. If I'm not mistaken Mikey is moving up in weight so that leaves not a single top ranked American in the division. I could go lower but the divisions get worse for the US so I'll just stop here. Out of 17 weight divisions, only 4 have an American Ring champion, 2 of those are Floyd. The welterweight division is easily the best for America but almost every other division has a tonne of top rated guys who are completely non-American, either latino or Europeans. Where is this story of American domination coming from? Europe and Latin America are at their peak right now. The original thread wasn't created to show America's superiority, it was created to show that boxing wasn't dead in the US in response to all the threads being created saying it was. This was just a follow up thread to show increases and decreases in numbers compared to last year. Personally I don't care where a fighter is from if I find him entertaining. So it doesn't matter to me if the US is first or last....just give me good fights!

That's certainly part of it. You can sense the disdain and jealousy dripping from many of their words. The US has the largest number of fighters in the top? 34? I'm not surprised, the US is the biggest market for the sport and its media. Guys like Broner get ranked as top without hesitation. It's happened time and time again. Bradley was a p4p guy when he didn't deserve to be. I'm not saying US boxing is rubbish, historically, in the pro ranks, it's always been the best but this list isn't the best way to determine which country is the best in the sport. It just doesn't work out proportionately. Add to that the previously mentioned media factor and you have an unfair advantage in terms of rankings. If you look at various weight divisions independently, you can see that the US doesn't dominate from top to bottom like it once did. Heavyweights: The best are two Ukrainian fighters boxing mainly in Germany. The other top guys are Povetkin, Pulev, Haye and Fury. Below that you have a spattering of Americans but none have been convincing and some have falters on the biggest stage. Cruiserweight: The Ring has Hernandez as champion, he is German/Cuban...none of the other champions are American. Light-Heavyweight: The main man is Stevenson, who is Canadian, only Hopkins is an American champ at the weight but he is holding the IBF, which is mainly regarded as inferior to the WBA and WBC. Kov is the most dangerous fighter in the division and the WBO champ. If you look at individual association rankings, only Americans in the top 10 are Dawson and Cloud. Super-Middleweight: one of the better divisions for the US, with the main man being Ward but after that, it's almost entirely European, all the other titlists and divisionally ranked boxers. Middleweight: The main man is an Argentine and arguably the least accomplished of the champions is Quillin and he is the only American with a belt. There are 2-3 Brits in the top 10 and maybe 2-3 Americans in the whole top 20, depending on governing body. The main man behind Martinez at the moment is GGG who is Kazakh and the other champ is Barker, British. Light-Middleweight: Mayweather has the WBC/WBA belts and is the leading man, the only other titlist is Molina for the IBF if I'm not mistaken. The WBO title is officially vacant. Again there are a spattering of US names in the lower half of the top 20, apart from Trout, other than that most of the fighters are latino. Welterweight: This is easily the best division for the US, with Floyd as champ and Bradley, Broner and Devon as Titlists. Light-Welterweight: Garcia is champ, again a decent division for the Americans but below Garcia you have guys like Matthysse, Kim, Khan and so on, a good mix of latinos and Europeans. Lightweight: Vacant Ring champ but no American titlist, unless you count Broner who hasn't been active there for quite a while. Again lookin at the top 10 or 20 you have a tonne of latino names, a few Europeans and very few Americans. Burns is arguably the man in the division and he's british. Super-Featherweight: Not a single American champion, some good Jap names and again Latin America has a hold here. Featherweight: Mikey is supposedly the Ring champ but he doesn't hold any of the titles, all titlists are non-American, one Asian, one European, one from Mexico and the other from the Caribbean. If I'm not mistaken Mikey is moving up in weight so that leaves not a single top ranked American in the division. I could go lower but the divisions get worse for the US so I'll just stop here. Out of 17 weight divisions, only 4 have an American Ring champion, 2 of those are Floyd. The welterweight division is easily the best for America but almost every other division has a tonne of top rated guys who are completely non-American, either latino or Europeans. Where is this story of American domination coming from? Europe and Latin America are at their peak right now.

My numbers for Mexico and Japan were off because I stopped at jr bantam. As for the rest, I think I got it right but very well could have fudged some numbers. Very tedious counting and trying to keep track of everyone and everything. I can imagine that is the case lol. Honestly though, Ring while a good general guide to the rankings isn't really a great unbiased and accurate source. Transnational Boxing rankings are probably the way to go, they're set up with the principle aim of being unbiased. My thoughts on the US, they obviously still have some great fighters but it's mostly concentrated from 140-154lbs, a lot of their top 10 ranked fighters are in those divisions. I'm no boxing historian but I would imagine decades ago they would have filled most of the top 10s in every division.

This list is not true bro, i have just count each fighter in the top 10 of each division and the list is Mexico 32 USA 27 Japon 16 UK 14 Philippines 11 andre ward is not in the top 10 of super middleweight due inactivity My numbers for Mexico and Japan were off because I stopped at jr bantam. As for the rest, I think I got it right but very well could have fudged some numbers. Very tedious counting and trying to keep track of everyone and everything.

No Offense bro, But the only good thing from R.I are 3 things: 1.Fried Calamari R.I style 2.Providence Mall 3.Nordic Lodge (All you can eat lobsters) lol Love the Nordic lodge! Haven't been in about 10 years, they still got that giant stuffed bear in the lobby?

The numbers going by boxrec are even more skewered for the United States. I stopped at bantamweight but the numbers were..... US - 39 Mex - 11 Ukrain - 3 Spain - 1 UK - 13 Germany - 7 Bulgaria - 1 Poland - 3 Russia - 6 Finland - 1 Cuba - 4 Canada - 5 Panama - 2 SA - 5 Australia - 6 Denmark - 1 Spain - 1 Puerto Rico - 1 Philippines - 2 Argentina - 2 Japan - 5 Italy - 1 Thailand - 1 Indonesia - 1 This list is not true bro, i have just count each fighter in the top 10 of each division and the list is Mexico 32 USA 27 Japon 16 UK 14 Philippines 11 andre ward is not in the top 10 of super middleweight due inactivity

Yes but better ams should churn out better pro's...no? I think it has more to do with money and population, though those things certainly play a role. Unfortunately im not a sociologist. Oh definately agree, a lot of has to do with the popularity of the sport in different countries too, hence why football is better in the countries that have more passion for it or why NFL is a predominantly American sport.

I got ya. Im originally from Providence. No Offense bro, But the only good thing from R.I are 3 things: 1.Fried Calamari R.I style 2.Providence Mall 3.Nordic Lodge (All you can eat lobsters) lol

So did I. If you have follow Juanma's early career, You'll notice how good of a boxer/puncher the guy really was. He was so patient and most of his punches where set up with his underrated jab. He just fell in love with his power and his stupid ass "Superman" persona. Now I feel bad for the guy. His career after Mtaga has been downhill. Once that cloak of superiority and confidence are gone its tough to get back. I live in Milford,MA I got ya. Im originally from Providence.

why doesn't' say Russia have more fighters representing than? They have population and thy have money. that's true Jab. but in Russia/Ukraine its different way. if you do good in boxing/wrestling, you then join criminals unfortunately. and then eventually government, politics. only very few try to stay away from that stuff and great $, in order to join pro and live "clean" life.

tbh Russian boxing is more about Amateur boxing... but i would've expected more than that from then, badtimes. Yes but better ams should churn out better pro's...no? I think it has more to do with money and population, though those things certainly play a role. Unfortunately im not a sociologist.

I had high hope for Jaun Ma a few years back. PR will be back though, they have a great fighting tradition. Where you from in Mass bro? So did I. If you have follow Juanma's early career, You'll notice how good of a boxer/puncher the guy really was. He was so patient and most of his punches where set up with his underrated jab. He just fell in love with his power and his stupid ass "Superman" persona. Now I feel bad for the guy. His career after Mtaga has been downhill. I live in Milford,MA

I just love boxing, Period. no matter where the fighter is from True boxing fans don't care about where a fighters from or their race, we just want action!

tbh Russian boxing is more about Amateur boxing... but i would've expected more than that from then, badtimes.

I just love boxing, Period. no matter where the fighter is from

Its been 2 year horrifying trend for P.R boxing. I just don't understand what's going on. I have to be patience. A new breed has to come up, Because the current one sucks. I had high hope for Jaun Ma a few years back. PR will be back though, they have a great fighting tradition. Where you from in Mass bro?

Please explain when I said America wasn't the best boxing country? Simple reasoning is because you have money to spend on boxing and a larger population to choose from. If you had 10 boxing champions from USA and 10 from Cuba for instance it'd be ridiculous to say that Cuba wasn't better on average. why doesn't' say Russia have more fighters representing than? They have population and thy have money.

poor PR. danny reps, though, and he's a top 10 p4p guy on any good list after the matthysse fight. Its been 2 year horrifying trend for P.R boxing. I just don't understand what's going on. I have to be patience. A new breed has to come up, Because the current one sucks.