Marquez knocked out Pacquiao. Is he greater than Pacquiao?

Against each other, well, the Memo trained JMM ktfo Pac. But if you take out the 4th fight and just the first 3 fights, both are close. Giving the edge to Pac due to knockdowns and i think he did a little bit better. But as we know, The reality is the Memo trained JMM sealed it with his KO over Pac. So against each other, JMM. As far as resume/career wise, it goes to Pacquiao. Take each other out of their fights, then look at their opponents. Pac: Sasakul, Lehwaba, MAB, Morales, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, and Marg. And even if it is an official defeat, Pac did beat Bradley. He did lost to Morales. JMM: MAB, Juarez, Casamayor, Diaz, and Katsidis. Lost to Floyd and Chris John. Now a few say that JMM was robbed against CJ but i read some media report saying the fight was closer but did not say JMM was rob. Even against MAB, some viewed the fight as closed and some had MAB winning.

Wait wait wait wait, when the F U C K was Barrera ever in anyone's opinion Number 1 Pound for f u c k i n g Pound? When was that ever a popular opinion. You just flat out lied. You blatantly and disgustingly lied to prove a point. I don't get this idiot's point. Are you saying Pacquiao is overrated? :unitedsta

Styles make fights. Pacquiao is still greater than Marquez due to his overall achievements and victories but Marquez KOing Pacquiao was a huge win for for any fighter. Pacquiao still has a crazy resume if you drop down to his career back at flyweight and going forward. Can you believe he held the WBC Flyweight belt via KO win?

No. One spectacular KO doesn't make you greater than the guy who was beating everyone they put infront of him to a pulp. I have a lot of respect for Marquez and think he happens to be the better boxer of the two but Marquez is not greater. Pacquiao not only has better wins but he's had a bigger impact on the sport. Of course JMM isnt greater than Pac, most sane people will tell you that. Pac has been p4p for how many years as well as being FOTD. That must count for something?

No. One spectacular KO doesn't make you greater than the guy who was beating everyone they put infront of him to a pulp. I have a lot of respect for Marquez and think he happens to be the better boxer of the two but Marquez is not greater. Pacquiao not only has better wins but he's had a bigger impact on the sport.

I can see pac beating everyone of marquez's wins. But i find it hard to see marquez beating 145 cotto, or 150 margo.

Wait wait wait wait, when the F U C K was Barrera ever in anyone's opinion Number 1 Pound for f u c k i n g Pound? When was that ever a popular opinion. You just flat out lied. You blatantly and disgustingly lied to prove a point. Oh wasn't he, I must be wrong then? Maybe he was recognised as no2 p4p in many peoples opinions and no1 p4p in a few peoples opinions, don't get your knickers in a twist and slander me now.

why are you bringing up floyd in a discussion about JMM and Manny? Well, I bought up Floyd as an example of someone who don't ko anyone yet don't get penalized for it. So JMM koing Pac shouldn't equal more than Pac outpointing JMM 3 times. didn't JMM beat Barrera, which is Pac's best win? Man you fvcking pac fans are the absolute worst sometimes. You don't even fvcking know who he beat yet you are claiming he's better than JMM based on resume. Pac beat Barrera when Barrera was no1 p4p in many peoples opinions. JMM barely beat Barrera. Not only does Pac have the better resume, he didn't habitually struggle with the likes of Juan Diaz, old MAB, shot Casa, Kats, etc. Just about every decent JMM win was a struggle. That's what superior ability will get you, right? Yes, Pac blowing everyone away on a 7 year win streak has to count for something.

I bet you were over the moon when Marquez KO'd pacquiao thinking ''Phew! risk averted!'' I was over the moon because I knew NSB would get me drunk on tears for weeks!

Pacquiao was beating up Marquez like Pac was the cartel and Marquez was some unassuming tourist in Mexico City. Very similar resumes, but Pacquiaos is better.

Winning easy > winning hard, like JMM MAB in most opinions. Here's several posters chiming in, Pac has the better resume but JMM is the better fighter. Look at JMM's top 5 wins, all struggles, vs guys that are not top 10 for Pac (MAB 2 pending). That'd be like Pac making hard work of David Diaz. yeah, I don't think JMM was the better fighter either. They proved about equal in the ring. In their prime, there was little to separate them. Marquez had the most definitive win. It doesn't erase the other fights in the series or the rest of Pac's career. At his best, Pac is one of the best offensive fighters who ever lived with more than enough chops to make his case. If someone else wants to make a case for JMM, fine with that too. They're both great fighters.

of course pac is greater, he has defeated far better guys just because marquez landed the one perfect shot does not make him better, pac has after all beaten him twice already its like saying prescott is greater than khan

why do you keep mentioning floyd in non floyd threads? what puprose does it serve? This is another stupid thread, if you ask me. It's another polarizing subject that always depends on whether you like or dislike JMM or Pac. What would this TS expect exactly?

One of the reasons MAB II gets discounted for Pac, besides perceptiosn about MAB as a fighter in that fight, is the way the fight went down. If he'd blitzed him, people would talk that up too. Since it was probably the least fight of our era's Fab Four in the ring (entertainment wise), it gets relegated MAB went into survival mode early so Pac just said, "ok, let's box." He outboxed him, using his feet and flurries. It was a good win in its own right. Winning easy > winning hard, like JMM MAB in most opinions. Here's several posters chiming in, Pac has the better resume but JMM is the better fighter. Look at JMM's top 5 wins, all struggles, vs guys that are not top 10 for Pac (MAB 2 pending). That'd be like Pac making hard work of David Diaz.

JMM's ko of Pac is greater than any victory Manny has on his resume. So by nsb logic, yes ^^^:dance:

JMM is greater. He beat and KO'd Pacquiao, if you want to go with this logic. If Floyd gets beat in his next fight, his opponent will be greater. It's like chess. You beat your opponent ten times, he wins the last game and the last game obliterates all the previous ones. :unitedsta why do you keep mentioning floyd in non floyd threads? what puprose does it serve?

JMM is greater. He beat and KO'd Pacquiao, if you want to go with this logic. If Floyd gets beat in his next fight, his opponent will be greater. It's like chess. You beat your opponent ten times, he wins the last game and the last game obliterates all the previous ones. :unitedsta

Manny will go down as the "greater" boxer, but to JMM is the better boxer of the 2.

Alright i missed the edit. You could also say MAB got some life back after JMM, feeling aggrieved at the "robbery" and well overperforming. That 6 fight streak you mention had Juarez 1, which was a bad decision and a bad performance. Juarez 2 wasn't that great either, though I hear he smashed perennial IBF contender/champ Fana. You understand MAB 2 is heavily discounted as a Pac win by almost everyone. So it's hard to see how it could be a great win for JMM unless we're grading on a curve One of the reasons MAB II gets discounted for Pac, besides perceptiosn about MAB as a fighter in that fight, is the way the fight went down. If he'd blitzed him, people would talk that up too. Since it was probably the least fight of our era's Fab Four in the ring (entertainment wise), it gets relegated MAB went into survival mode early so Pac just said, "ok, let's box." He outboxed him, using his feet and flurries. It was a good win in its own right.

We are not going to agree on this. I'm bored. If H2H is all that matters (i.e. Hatton could beat MAB (maybe) or Marg could beat MAB (definitely), then Saskul isn't one of Pac's top 20 wins. Cause, you know, he was a Flyweight. But Pac beat him when HE was a Flyweight for the lineal crown. It's a great win. So was beating MAB when he was the consensus number one at 30. So was beating him again one later for Pac. i never said it's all that matters, only that it matters. The higher up it happens, the more it's amplified. HW Champ beating Ruiz = yawn. RJJ beating Ruiz = something. Barkley losing to a real MW, shrug etc. I mean, if Marg still had 2 good eyes, I'd give a ton of props to JMM for taking him on cause it's so much more of physical risk than a shot Casa or Juan Diaz. Cause he would murder those guys in a hurry. Anyway, lets agree to disagree, I gotta step away